WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

And Nog? I don't remember innocent Nog being so single-minded as he's been toDay. Usually he makes such a fuss of suspecting submarines, and not wanting to focus too narrowly on any particular person, but that hasn't been the case toDay. He seems to have just kept hammering away at the same points.

First: What do you mean by suspecting submarines? I haven't heard this term before.

Originally Posted by Inziladun on Tum

Your indications didn't seem to be that you were still ready to vote Mac. You pretty much just started agreeing with him, as if you hadn't said he was your top suspect shortly before. You even used his criticism of mine and Wilwa's votes for BG as reasons to suspect us.
Also, at the time you voted, BG had 5 votes, and Eönwë had 4. But you had to "save" him?

Well Mac wanted to actually go for a wolf. I was cool with that. We weren't getting anywhere by suspecting each other. So I left him alone. Besides I knew at this point there was no way I'd be able to lynch him.

Yes Eonwe only had 4 votes and BG had 5. And if I voted for Eonwe then they both would've had 5. So by voting for BG I was doing what I could to keep Eonwe yesterDay as I wanted BG gone more than I wanted Eonwe gone. Does that make sense?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by autume98

First: What do you mean by suspecting submarines? I haven't heard this term before.

A submarine is one who doesn't post much, or when they do, it's nothing of consequence. Basically they aren't around enough for one to get any impression of them.

Originally Posted by autume98

Well Mac wanted to actually go for a wolf. I was cool with that. We weren't getting anywhere by suspecting each other. So I left him alone. Besides I knew at this point there was no way I'd be able to lynch him.

But you didn't go after a wolf. You voted for someone you thought was innocent.

Originally Posted by autume98

Yes Eonwe only had 4 votes and BG had 5. And if I voted for Eonwe then they both would've had 5. So by voting for BG I was doing what I could to keep Eonwe yesterDay as I wanted BG gone more than I wanted Eonwe gone. Does that make sense?

No, it really doesn't make sense. Eönwë wasn't even tied for votes when you gave yours. I don't see how that makes your vote an effort to save him.

[Macalaure]

We have a game with three pairs of lovers, yet whenever I say the L--- word, I get somebody to shout "He's hinting!". That does not bother me at all. Nope. Not in the least. Totally cool with it. Perfectly fine. Love it.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

We have a game with three pairs of lovers, yet whenever I say the L--- word, I get somebody to shout "He's hinting!". That does not bother me at all. Nope. Not in the least. Totally cool with it. Perfectly fine. Love it.

Mac, I love you. (Whoops, lookie what I did. )

Gah. I'm so bloody tired again; I keep falling asleep trying to look at Nog. Does that mean something?

[the phantom]

I don't know where the argument started or why, but I can't pass up this statement, Inzil-

Eönwë wasn't even tied for votes when you gave yours. I don't see how that makes your vote an effort to save him.

Um, are you kidding me? It was towards the end of voting and Steve was only behind by one single vote when Tum voted to increase the lead to two. How is that not a vote to save Steve?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I don't know where the argument started or why, but I can't pass up this statement, Inzil-

Um, are you kidding me? It was towards the end of voting and Steve was only behind by one single vote when Tum voted to increase the lead to two. How is that not a vote to save Steve?

All right. Maybe I'm splitting hairs there. But it still doesnt seem all that imperative to cast a vote on someone she thought was innocent in order to save someone else who wasn't ahead in the vote count. And has she explained why she wanted to save him so badly?

x/d with tum and Rikae

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

All right. Maybe I'm splitting hairs there. But it still doesnt seem all that imperative to cast a vote on someone she thought was innocent in order to save someone else who wasn't ahead in the vote count. And has she explained why she wanted to save him so badly?

It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to save him so badly. I never said I wanted to save him really bad. I just wanted him here toDay more than my other choice.

So now I have to ask...why did you vote for BG? What made you suspect her so early on?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by autume98

It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to save him so badly. I never said I wanted to save him really bad. I just wanted him here toDay more than my other choice.

So now I have to ask...why did you vote for BG? What made you suspect her so early on?

I didn't like the way she kept dropping by and saying nothing. It looked to me as if she was just trying to seem as if she was participating without sticking her neck out. The only other one on my radar was Mac, and as I said yesterDay I didn't want to vote him on Day 1, since I couldn't tell if it was a real suspicion I had or just the general uneasy feeling he always seems to give me.

And it's not looking as though Eönwê's going to be here toMorrow.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I didn't like the way she kept dropping by and saying nothing. It looked to me as if she was just trying to seem as if she was participating without sticking her neck out. The only other one on my radar was Mac, and as I said yesterDay I didn't want to vote him on Day 1, since I couldn't tell if it was a real suspicion I had or just the general uneasy feeling he always seems to give me.

And it's not looking as though Eönwê's going to be here toMorrow.

I can see why you say that. The two I'd really like to hear about why they voted for BG are Wilwa and Mira. It doesn't look like I'll get an explanation from Wilwa tonight, and I'm not sure where Mira is.

No, it's not looking to good for Eonwe right now.

[Inziladun]

I should have been in bed long ago. I wouldn't mind seeing Eönwë lynched at this point, since my top suspect admittedly wanted to save him Day1. And I really don't know why Boro would have said that about him being a "Neg 4" for no reason.

I haven't changed my suspicion of tum, but this could shed some light on her, and maybe on Nog as well.

++Eönwë

[Nienna]

Hey all I'm sorry my participation has been slack today, I will have more time if I'm still alive toMorrow.

Thoughts: Someone (sorry I don't remember who) mentioned that my one earlier post didn't list everyone. I made that post as I was just going through the thread and it wasn't meant to be a list, just a collection of thoughts that popped up for me as I was reading.

Zil, I voted Steve even though he could be innocent because everyone could be innocent. He was just the person I thought would be best lynched. I think that again today though Nog's defending of his vote for Steve seemed a little like a wolf needing to defend his vote with lots of stuff.

Though Nog suddenly is seeming rather furry, I believe Steve's lynch will shed more light on the game.

++ Steve

And goodnight.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

A submarine is one who doesn't post much, or when they do, it's nothing of consequence. Basically they aren't around enough for one to get any impression of them.

Thanks for the explanation!

Originally Posted by Inziladun

But you didn't go after a wolf. You voted for someone you thought was innocent.

No, it really doesn't make sense. Eönwë wasn't even tied for votes when you gave yours. I don't see how that makes your vote an effort to save him.

I wasn't just thinking about my vote. I was thinking about the way others were probably going to vote too. By the time I put my vote in it was down to BG and Eonwe. BG had 5 and Eonwe had 4. I think there were four votes left. Don't quote me on that though. So I'm thinking that there are still some votes that are going to vote for BG and some for Eonwe. So my vote is now who do I want around more: BG or Eonwe. I decided that I wanted Eonwe to stick around for one more day instead of BG. I wasn't voting for 1 in 20. I was voting for one or the other.

As for voting for someone who was innocent, I thought both of them were innocent. Yet one of them was going to be lynched. There wasn't anything I could do to stop one of them from being lynched. So I chose between the one that I wanted to have stick around.

And I still didn't like people going after BG. I'll stand by that. However by the time I voted there was nothing I could do to stop it. Now if Eonwe turns out to be a wolf then I know that will look REALLY bad. So I'm really hoping that Eonwe is someone good. I can see why you think my vote looks bad. I'm not sure what else I can tell you since everything I've said is the truth. I'll do my best to try and clarify things, however sometimes it seems my logic doesn't match up with everyone else's logic.

Edit: x-ed with Mac, Sally, and tp

[Loslote]

Okay:

Originally Posted by autume98

I wasn't just thinking about my vote. I was thinking about the way others were probably going to vote too. By the time I put my vote in it was down to BG and Eonwe. BG had 5 and Eonwe had 4. I think there were four votes left. Don't quote me on that though. So I'm thinking that there are still some votes that are going to vote for BG and some for Eonwe. So my vote is now who do I want around more: BG or Eonwe. I decided that I wanted Eonwe to stick around for one more day instead of BG. I wasn't voting for 1 in 20. I was voting for one or the other.

No, there was a chance to get someone else lynched. You didn't even try to even ask around to see if anyone else wanted to lynch, say, Mac. You remember, you top suspect? Who at least one other person who'd yet to vote wanted lynched? It seems like a pretty poor effort to not even attempt to get him lyched. But it's pretty good wolf-on-wolf.

As for voting for someone who was innocent, I thought both of them were innocent. Yet one of them was going to be lynched. There wasn't anything I could do to stop one of them from being lynched. So I chose between the one that I wanted to have stick around.

And I still didn't like people going after BG. I'll stand by that. However by the time I voted there was nothing I could do to stop it. Now if Eonwe turns out to be a wolf then I know that will look REALLY bad. So I'm really hoping that Eonwe is someone good. I can see why you think my vote looks bad. I'm not sure what else I can tell you since everything I've said is the truth. I'll do my best to try and clarify things, however sometimes it seems my logic doesn't match up with everyone else's logic.

How would you know? You didn't try.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Loslote replies to my quotes above

Okay:

No, there was a chance to get someone else lynched. You didn't even try to even ask around to see if anyone else wanted to lynch, say, Mac. You remember, you top suspect? Who at least one other person who'd yet to vote wanted lynched? It seems like a pretty poor effort to not even attempt to get him lyched. But it's pretty good wolf-on-wolf.

How would you know? You didn't try.

By that time I was getting tired and wanted to go to bed and get some sleep. Yes I'm up later than I was yesterDay. However some nights I'm more tired than others. So I didn't stick around to see if someone else could get lynched.

edit: x-ed with tp, Mac, and tp

[Rikae]

Okay, I've been focused on the Nog/Mac/Phantom/Nerwen/Steve business, and this Inzil/Tum stuff is just beginning to make an impression. What is this? Tum voted for BeiGe after finding her innocent? I'll have to have a look at Tum's posts, especially considering that the above mentioned stuff isn't producing any leads, but just leading me more and more toward thinking all the big names are innocent or, at worst, lovers. Hmm. Back in a moment.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Okay, I've been focused on the Nog/Mac/Phantom/Nerwen/Steve business, and this Inzil/Tum stuff is just beginning to make an impression. What is this? Tum voted for BeiGe after finding her innocent?

What about Phantom?

Originally Posted by the phantom

Okay, so I read Steve's posts, and I think he's innocent. His wine comment is the only thing that I could see that would make him look bad to anyone. Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie. Anyway, yeah, I can't see supporting his lynch.

But then he votes for me anyway.

[the phantom]

Yeah, whatever, I'll try Nienna if you want, Mac, just so long as you understand that, should Eonwe end up being saved today, we're going to go through all of this again tomorrow.

And yes, Steve, I voted for you despite defending you (I even defended you to Nog after voting you). I explained that yesterday at the time that I did it.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yeah, whatever, I'll try Nienna if you want, Mac, just so long as you understand that, should Eonwe end up being saved today, we're going to go through all of this again tomorrow.

But it'll be fun to have me around another Day!

And also not killing me toDay will give the Seer a chance to test themselves by dreaming someone that they know will get killed.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Eonwe

And also not killing me toDay will give the Seer a chance to test themselves by dreaming someone that they know will get killed.

Ha ha! So in other words, the Seer should dream of you tonight and then tomorrow we should go ahead and lynch you and then the Seer will know if they are legit? What a brave sacrifice, sir!

Okay, okay, obviously it would be good for the Seer to know this, but you've got to figure one of the Seer dreams is going to die at some point anyway without purposefully flushing a dream like that. So no, bad plan I think.