WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 07-26-2010, 11:15 PM

Okay, so I read Steve's posts, and I think he's innocent. His wine comment is the only thing that I could see that would make him look bad to anyone. Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie. Anyway, yeah, I can't see supporting his lynch.

Problem is, the other two people with multiple votes- I don't suspect them either. At this point though it does me little good to try floating another candidate. It seems to me that it will likely come down to deciding which person I wish to save the most. Bleh.

the phantom · 07-26-2010, 11:24 PM

Oh, and a word of warning to everyone- don't depend on a last minute reveal to save you. In a game with plenty of Ordos and fewer Gifteds it might work, but in this village pretty much everyone is a gifted. If we all switch our votes to save a Gifted, we're likely to just lynch another Gifted, and possibly one who is more useful, not to mention the ever present possibility that the reveal is merely a WW attempting to save his hide. Doubt coupled with risk- last minute "save me" shouts are just less likely to work.

No, I'm not suggesting that you reveal earlier to save yourself, I'm just saying you need to defend yourself as the voting goes along as you probably cannot afford to wait and see.

Also, am I correct in thinking there are no retractions in this game?

edit: x-post (Yet nother Steve vote?)

autume98 · 07-26-2010, 11:30 PM

It seems as though one of the people I see as innocent is going to get lynched toDay. Out of the three with the most votes I see all of them as innocent. It doesn't seem right to vote for any of them.

The one I feel least inclined to vote for is Eonwe. Not sure who to vote for between BG and Nerwen. However if it came to where I had to save Eonwe I think I'd have to vote for BG. Sorry BG.

autume98 · 07-26-2010, 11:32 PM

So after making that post I think it's time for me to vote and go to bed.

++BG

Edit: x-ed with Nog and BG

Loslote · 07-26-2010, 11:38 PM

BeiGei voters - especially the later ones - really really need to be looked at toMorrow. I'd say most especially Tum, but that's just personal suspicion.

Boro - what the hey are you talking about? What happened to "Boro's not a hinting lover?"

EDIT: xed with BeiGei.

the phantom · 07-26-2010, 11:38 PM

What happens in the case of a tie?

Glirdan · 07-26-2010, 11:39 PM

In case of a tie, it shall be the last person to receive a vote that shall be lynched.

Boromir88 · 07-26-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Boro - what the hey are you talking about? What happened to "Boro's not a hinting lover?"

There are other roles who have picks of their own to make who are not lovers ya know.

Loslote · 07-26-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

There are other roles who have picks of their own to make who are not lovers ya know.

Mm, but that's the one that comes to mind, particularly with the recent...for lack of a better phrase..."Zeus scandal." Really though, your blatant disregard for others' suspicion makes you seem almost innocent. Bugger, my brain hurts.

EDIT: xed with BeiGei

Blind Guardian · 07-26-2010, 11:32 PM

All I can say is: it will hurt you if I was lynched.

the phantom · 07-26-2010, 11:34 PM

A rather pointless comment here, but if I had six votes in my pocket I might actually give Nog a try, primarily because he is stretching to make attacks I disagree with.

I might also give Boro a try since he has been so unusually absent, and I can't work with him the way I usually do, plus frankly I have no clue how to read a quiet Boro. Getting him out of the way might be a weight off at the least.

But yeah- obviously not enough votes to get either of them lynched.

EDIT: x-posted with many

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Originally Posted by Nog

Also I'm pretty confused with the phantom's points... I do normally follow his train of thought quite clearly but now I just think he has the perfect opposite view from mine and I'm baffled.

Ask me a question and I'll try to answer it. What do you wonder about?

Blind Guardian · 07-26-2010, 11:37 PM

Nothing was posted here. Ignore me

Boromir88 · 07-26-2010, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

All I can say is: it will hurt you if I was lynched.

Anyone who's not a wolf, who dies will probably hurt us ya know. I can say the same about myself, the question in this will be the degree of hurt. Cus right now I'd venture to guess that on a scale of 1 to 10...if I were theoretically up to be lynched, and I was, it would probably hurt the village about a 7. You, I'm pegging at a 5 so far.

Blind Guardian · 07-26-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Anyone who's not a wolf, who dies will probably hurt us ya know. I can say the same about myself, the question in this will be the degree of hurt. Cus right now I'd venture to guess that on a scale of 1 to 10...if I were theoretically up to be lynched, and I was, it would probably hurt the village about a 7. You, I'm pegging at a 5 so far.

That sounds seerish to me. Cause one seer is false. Or a wolf trying to look important.

Loslote · 07-26-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

That sounds seerish to me. Cause one seer is false. Or a wolf trying to look important.

I can see where you're coming from, but I think there's a simpler explanation. Boro is saying that he's important. A 5 indicates that you'd be a loss, yes, but average loss. The Hunter, for instance, would be a loss of about 1 - we wouldn't have lynched a wolf, but that's what the Hunter was meant to do, die. The Seer would normally be a loss of about 9, but in this game, probably more of a 7 or 8. (This is, of course, my ranking. I have no idea how Boro'd rank roles.) You wouldn't have to be a Seer to hazard a guess that your role is about average - it's a safe guess. Most peoples' roles are about average.

Heh. This wasn't meant to be so long.

EDIT: xed since my last

Inziladun · 07-28-2010, 09:00 AM

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Good glory, is there any purpose to this first day at all, besides bantering, teasing, and otherwise killing time?

If you find a purpose for day one other than what you mentioned you will have to share.

So far I got a whole lot of nothing.

First post.

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Seriously, Fowlren, Day Ones are generally useful for analysis later on, if nothing else.

Also, with so many weird roles, things could get interesting even this early on.

That's true. Didn't think about that. At the time though it is quite confusing.

I don't read much into those two.

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Okay let's get into the bussiness of trying to tie the Day up for now - from my part that is.

I second this! There has been some good discussion, but it also seem like there has been some dragged on discussion regarding the lovers.

I don't think the Seers should reveal. Obviously they should give some hints, confuse some wolves, and hopefully help out the town while they are at it.

I think I skipped over the Zeus comments so I'll have to go back and see if there is anything there.

Singles out a statement from Nog that she agrees with. Doesn't think the Seers should reveal. Even if one of them has a dream they later find is incorrect?

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I think it'd be good for Eonwe to comment on this. I personally am leaning towards him being innocent at this point. However am going to be keeping my eye on him.

Wants Eönwë to explain the Dionysus remark. As for him being "innocent", I don't think that was necessarily in question, unless she meant she didn't think he was the Cursed.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who got confused!

And a cheat sheet chart sounds like a really good idea. I think I might have to make myself one too.

This was in response to KeeperMira saying she needed a cheat sheet to keep the roles straight. A harmless enough remark in itself, I guess, but the tone just seems too glib, somehow.

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I was going to post the same thing. I'm so glad I made the list cause it made all this Zeus talk even more interesting. Is it just something to stir up the pot and add confusion?

Agreeing with me and Mira about not understanding Boro's talk of Zeus and Hera. She seems to do a lot of 'agreeing'.

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Looks like so far I don't have much as far as suspicions. The people that have hit my radar so far toDay are:

Boro - There was all the Zeus talk around him. However he generally confuses me so it probably means nothing.

Lottie - That might just because I'm on her radar so it probably is just a knee-jerk reaction to that. However she's also is on Nog's radar and I tend to trust Nog.

Mac - I'm not sure about him. I really can't put my finger on it, but it also might be that once again I'm on his radar so it probably means nothing.

Eonwe - I'd like to know more about this statement:

Everyone else seems to be ok or hasn't said a lot so really don't have much to go on.

On another note I talked to Sally and she said she's having internet that seems to be working sporadically.

List of people "on the radar". Interesting that she uses Nog as a reason to suspect Lottie.

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Mac is suspicious enough to me pretty much any time, and it still looks like an awfully thin explanation of Boro's words that he's giving. And he sure is persistant about it, too.

So now I'm not the only one who has suspicions of Mac. I really am beginning to wonder if some hints are going on. Granted it would seem to be pretty obvious that he's giving a hint to a fellow lover if that's what he were doing. Anyone have any thoughts?

Agreeing with me about Mac.

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At this time Mac is most suspicous in my book.

Self-explanatory. But then, very next post, responding to Mac:

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I am definitely with you on this one. I also know that we definitely see each other as enemies right now. As much as I have my suspicions about you I'm not sure I'm willing to vote for you just yet. Maybe it's because I feel the same way about the BG votes. It'd be an easy lynch and I don't agree with that.

She'd just said Mac was the 'most suspicious', then waffles and says she might not vote for him.

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As I was looking at my list I am wondering about wilwa and her post for BG.

I am also not sure about Boro. He sure did stir up the pot, but I'm not sure that he's a wolf.

Looking at my list of players no one is jumping out at me screaming wolf. I'm wondering if they are one of the quiet ones.

You mentioned Zil. Is there something that makes you suspect him or you just suspect him on principle?

Mac had asked her who she would vote for, if not BG. Says Wilwa because of the latter's post about BG (which post I'm not sure). Pretty odd, since tum herself voted BG in the end. and Mac is nowhere to be found there.

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I want to touch on a few of the items you mentioned. For the most part I agree with your innocent list. I say most part instead of all because I'm not in your innocent list.

I know I've played with Nienna but can't seem to remember how she plays. However as you pointed out she's a BG voter. I think some of the people who have voted for BG have been throwing their votes away.

Not sure what you meant by this: Greenie (the nagging Persephone-suspicion persists since it fits so well)

I think you make a good point about Keeper. Maybe something to look at.

As you pointed out Inzil is a BG voter.

And I wanted to touch on Nerwen. To me her comment seemed innocent, and I didn't see her defending herself as being tense.

This was a response to a list Mac made. Interesting that she now agrees with him quite a bit, where not long before he'd been 'the most suspicious in her book', and all that totally vanished.

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I hear you Nog! I keep thinking that I really do need to vote soon, but then this is just sooo interesting that I'm not ready to put my laptop away and call it a night. Not to mention I really need to look at who I want to vote for. Yet at this time I don't see any unity on the votes other than the ones for BG.

More agreeing with Nog, this time on his comment that he just couldn't bring himself to go to bed. Seems odd that she keeps singling him out like that.

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I think we should keep Eonwe around. If he turns then we can always lynch him the next day. Right?

Doesn't want to lynch Eönwë, but doesn't say why not.

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It seems as though one of the people I see as innocent is going to get lynched toDay. Out of the three with the most votes I see all of them as innocent. It doesn't seem right to vote for any of them.

The one I feel least inclined to vote for is Eonwe. Not sure who to vote for between BG and Nerwen. However if it came to where I had to save Eonwe I think I'd have to vote for BG. Sorry BG.

Says she saw steve, BG, and Nerwen as innocent, but apparently intends to vote for one of them. Still no further mention of the one who had been her surest suspect, Mac.

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So after making that post I think it's time for me to vote and go to bed.

++BG

And with no further ado, votes BG.

All right, so she used the fact that Wilwa and I voted for BG as marks against us, then did the same thing herself.
She came out strongly against Mac, and let that die completely with no explanation.
And the odd fixation on Nog....

If I'd been able to stay til DL I would almost certainly have voted tum instead of BG. Unless something changes, that's probably what I'll do toDay.

x/d with all since my last

the phantom · 07-26-2010, 11:50 PM

All right- time to decide my vote. The multi-vote getters I believe to be innocent, so....

Nerwen is the one I like the most. Definitely won't vote for her. Plus I believe she may be low enough that she would be a throwaway as well.

BG under most circumstances would definitely be my choice (due to play style and such), but as BG is very new (at least to me) and has according to what I'm hearing been lynched early on a regular basis, I'm going to attempt to spare her this time around out of courtesy, leaving me with...

++ Eonwe

Sorry, lad, but I just don't want to jump on the BG wagon. Not on Day 1. I want to give her a chance.

(x-posted with many posts)

the phantom · 07-26-2010, 11:53 PM

I feel really stupid for defending Eonwe and suspecting Nog for his suspicion of Eonwe, but then I VOTE for Eonwe.

This is one of those days I'd like to forget.

Eönwë · 07-26-2010, 11:50 PM

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A rather pointless comment here, but if I had six votes in my pocket I might actually give Nog a try, primarily because he is stretching to make attacks I disagree with.

I would second this. His arguments do seem quite stretched, for example his suspicion of me would mean I have to go against both my role and even the spirit of the game.

edit: x-ed since last post.

Nogrod · 07-26-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

for example his suspicion of me would mean I have to go against both my role and even the spirit of the game.

Not at all... If you knew you were the cursed already in the beginning (as Glirdy said the cursed would know it) then it would be the most understandable leaning... some I know might have leaned with the village but I'm afraid most would have just died for getting to be a cursed wolf in the middle of the game...

And if the one knew it beforehand there would be no problem with the spirit of the game as the problem is in the rules...

Eönwë · 07-26-2010, 11:57 PM

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Not at all... If you knew you were the cursed already in the beginning (as Glirdy said the cursed would know it) then it would be the most understandable leaning... some I know might have leaned with the village but I'm afraid most would have just died for getting to be a cursed wolf in the middle of the game...

And if the one knew it beforehand there would be no problem with the spirit of the game as the problem is in the rules...

But isn't the Cursed meant to play on the side of the village until they become a wolf?

Eönwë · 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM

I really don't want to, but it looks like I'm going to have to vote:

++Blind Guardian

It's too close. I'm sorry BG.

Loslote · 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM

Ehem. If we lynch Steve and Steve is innocent, may I suggest we look at Nog? If I recall correctly, he was all for not lynching Steve, but leaving him be and lynching him if the Cursed was turned. This would not only effectively silence a potential innocent threat, it would also provide an extra layer of protection for the real Cursed.

Not to say that I think this is exactly how it played out and that Steve's as innocent as snow, but he does make good points, and if we hadn't lynched Steve toDay, it would've been a really really good plan for wolf!Nog. Just throwin' that out there.

EDIT: xed with people...

Blind Guardian · 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM

NO! I hate you!

That's not fair!

Nogrod · 07-26-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom about Eonwë

Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie.

Now here we disagree again - and it is nice to see you taking that up as I let that out from my final account of him to see would anyone else take it up and in what way would they do it.

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Maybe he was waiting for more immediate feedback or just tried all his options as they came to him, I don't know. And obviously I'm not 100% sure about it, but it looks like it really all talks about the same thing. All those posts could be seen as ways to attract the wolves into killing him - and that's a lot from one person on one Day just randomly!

Heh, x'd again...

Nerwen · 07-26-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Mmmn. I have said this already, but it's not in the Cursed's interest to make extremely obvious hints. Why become a wolf if it means dying almost immediately? That doesn't prove Steve isn't the Cursed, but it would be clumsier playing than I'd expect of him.

EDIT:X'd with a host.

Boromir88 · 07-26-2010, 11:56 PM

I said Blind was about a 5 on the scale of 1 to 10. Eonwe's looking like a "neg" 4, so

++Eonwe

Blind Guardian · 07-26-2010, 11:57 PM

Yes! Yes! Two more votes for Eonwe! Please!

Glirdan · 07-26-2010, 11:58 PM

2 Minutes to DL

Blind Guardian · 07-26-2010, 11:59 PM

Vote Eonwe! Vote Eonwe!

Nerwen · 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM

++Nogrod

Yeah, it's a throwaway. I had to hold my vote in case I needed it, and now I'm not happy jumping on either bandwagon.

EDIT:x'd with numerous.

the phantom · 07-26-2010, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nog

Now here we disagree again - and it is nice to see you taking that up as I let that out from my final account of him to see would anyone else take it up and in what way would they do it.

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Maybe he was waiting for more immediate feedback or just tried all his options as they came to him, I don't know. And obviously I'm not 100% sure about it, but it looks like it really all talks about the same thing. All those posts could be seen as ways to attract the wolves into killing him - and that's a lot from one person on one Day just randomly!

His "wolf!" comment was throwaway. If we find out postgame that it wasn't I promise to eat some of that horrible black liquorice you Finns and Rune forced me to try.

His Dion comment was too obvious I think, and just an attempt to be in character.

And then you say he suggested something dangerous so as to be killed? You really think WWs are going to kill someone because he suggests one helpful thing? No, no- they'll be gunning for the Seer like always.

Not to mention if he's screaming "cursed" to the WWs he's just as likely to be the Ordo hoping for the WWs to flush their kill. You realize don't you that the Ordo in this game would be quite wise to sacrifice himself early to save all of his more powerful counterparts?

Nogrod · 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

it's not in the Cursed's interest to make extremely obvious hints. Why become a wolf if it means dying almost immediately?

Like with the suspicions about yourself you're playing the one being wise afterwards... How did he know he would get that suspected about the things he ranted about early in the Day? Well, he didn't.

In many games those would have been ignored -and many of you seemed to be quite ready to ignire them to the end. So? Extremely obvious? No. Securely true? No.

Eönwë · 07-26-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now, if he really wants to get killed, what would he do? Raise the awareness of the wolves, surely. The "wolf!" post was the first trial and the Dionysos thing was his second... but then he wanted to make sure he got the attention and went for that great idea of rangers doing double-shift... if they didn't get the hint from the earlier ones, the wolves should find him dangerous and thus kill him!

Maybe he was waiting for more immediate feedback or just tried all his options as they came to him, I don't know. And obviously I'm not 100% sure about it, but it looks like it really all talks about the same thing. All those posts could be seen as ways to attract the wolves into killing him - and that's a lot from one person on one Day just randomly!

See! You can twist anything to make your point, but it doesn't make your point right.

07-26-2010, 11:15 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Okay, so I read Steve's posts, and I think he's innocent. His wine comment is the only thing that I could see that would make him look bad to anyone. Some of the other things he said were quite good. He was the one who floated the idea of the two Rangers working together to protect the Seer in fact. I see no reason for him to have suggested that as a baddie. Anyway, yeah, I can't see supporting his lynch. Problem is, the other two people with multiple votes- I don't suspect them either. At this point though it does me little good to try floating another candidate. It seems to me that it will likely come down to deciding which person I wish to save the most. Bleh. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-26-2010, 11:24 PM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Oh, and a word of warning to everyone- don't depend on a last minute reveal to save you. In a game with plenty of Ordos and fewer Gifteds it might work, but in this village pretty much everyone is a gifted. If we all switch our votes to save a Gifted, we're likely to just lynch another Gifted, and possibly one who is more useful, not to mention the ever present possibility that the reveal is merely a WW attempting to save his hide. Doubt coupled with risk- last minute "save me" shouts are just less likely to work. No, I'm not suggesting that you reveal earlier to save yourself, I'm just saying you need to defend yourself as the voting goes along as you probably cannot afford to wait and see. Also, am I correct in thinking there are no retractions in this game? edit: x-post (Yet nother Steve vote?) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-26-2010, 11:30 PM	#3
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	It seems as though one of the people I see as innocent is going to get lynched toDay. Out of the three with the most votes I see all of them as innocent. It doesn't seem right to vote for any of them. The one I feel least inclined to vote for is Eonwe. Not sure who to vote for between BG and Nerwen. However if it came to where I had to save Eonwe I think I'd have to vote for BG. Sorry BG. __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected.

07-26-2010, 11:32 PM	#4
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	So after making that post I think it's time for me to vote and go to bed. ++BG Edit: x-ed with Nog and BG __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected.

07-26-2010, 11:38 PM	#5
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	BeiGei voters - especially the later ones - really really need to be looked at toMorrow. I'd say most especially Tum, but that's just personal suspicion. Boro - what the hey are you talking about? What happened to "Boro's not a hinting lover?" EDIT: xed with BeiGei. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

07-26-2010, 11:38 PM	#6
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	What happens in the case of a tie? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-26-2010, 11:39 PM	#7
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Mod God Interferes Pt. 3 In case of a tie, it shall be the last person to receive a vote that shall be lynched. __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

07-26-2010, 11:50 PM	#17
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	All right- time to decide my vote. The multi-vote getters I believe to be innocent, so.... Nerwen is the one I like the most. Definitely won't vote for her. Plus I believe she may be low enough that she would be a throwaway as well. BG under most circumstances would definitely be my choice (due to play style and such), but as BG is very new (at least to me) and has according to what I'm hearing been lynched early on a regular basis, I'm going to attempt to spare her this time around out of courtesy, leaving me with... ++ Eonwe Sorry, lad, but I just don't want to jump on the BG wagon. Not on Day 1. I want to give her a chance. (x-posted with many posts) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-26-2010, 11:53 PM	#18
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I feel really stupid for defending Eonwe and suspecting Nog for his suspicion of Eonwe, but then I VOTE for Eonwe. This is one of those days I'd like to forget. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-27-2010, 12:00 AM	#22
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	I really don't want to, but it looks like I'm going to have to vote: ++Blind Guardian It's too close. I'm sorry BG. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

07-26-2010, 11:56 PM	#27
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I said Blind was about a 5 on the scale of 1 to 10. Eonwe's looking like a "neg" 4, so ++Eonwe __________________ Fenris Penguin

07-26-2010, 11:58 PM	#29
Glirdan Energetic Essence Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Where Lark Nor Eagle Ever Flew Posts: 3,285	Notice 1.3 2 Minutes to DL __________________ *I'm going to buy you a kitty, I'm going to let you fall in love with the kitty, and one cold, winter night, I'm going to steal into your house and punch you in the face!* Fenris Wolf

07-27-2010, 12:00 AM	#31
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	++Nogrod Yeah, it's a throwaway. I had to hold my vote in case I needed it, and now I'm not happy jumping on either bandwagon. EDIT:x'd with numerous. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 07-27-2010 at 12:07 AM.