Numenoreans attacking the Valar

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

If anything, this is one more instance of Valaric interference that went awry. Much like in the 1st Age when the Valar dragged the elves off to Valinor so that they would be 'safe' (a move that many elves eventually begrudged), Numenor was once again an artificial attempt at safeguarding the 'chosen' Children of Iluvatar that backfired on the meddlesome Valar. Strange folk, the Valar: one moment they are interfering, passing dooms and whatnot, and the next you don't hear from them for an Age. Very inconsistent. In any case, Eru, irritated that he had to tinker with his divine plan, made damn sure there would be no more chosen people, and wiped Numenor off the map -- a lesson not only for the remaining Numenoreans, but also for the Valar. Their interference thereafter (because they couldn't help but continue meddling -- it was their foible), was reduced to sending the Istari -- not to trade blow for blow with Sauron, but inspire the free peoples to fight instead.

This doesn't quite sit right with me. From my reading, the Vanyar are considered to be the most blessed of all the Elves because they journeyed west and stayed. So this bit of "interference" doesn't seem to have been a bad thing. That some Elves begrudged the invitation of the Valar may say at least as much about these Elves as it does about the Valar.

I grant that both the invitation to the Elves and the creation of Numenor were in part to "save" these two groups from the shadow of Morgoth; but is that a bad thing?

As to not hearing from them for an Age, whose fault was that? Was it not because the Numenoreans fell to craving deathlessness?

And are you sure you are being fair by using the rather derotagory term, "meddling"? Did they not have the right and responsibility as the assigned caretakers of Aman to do precisely that? What was it about their "meddling" that was an evil? or a weakness?

And was Eru "irritated" at the Valar? Where do you get that from the Sil? And was his motivation so that there would be no more chosen people? Please give evidence.

Granted, the Valar appear to have learned hard lessons by the 3rd Age and therefore only sent the Five Istari, but can you really support your assertions with evidence from Tolkien's writings?