the elessar

[Ivriniel]

*high five*

That's all well enough for me. I respect your technical precision, well delivered in even tempered prose, with concessions at times, and a nice manner.

You're welcome to your final position. I could respond to your requests, but I'm not sure they would do anything but labour points well made from both perspectives.

One comment only--given TelePORNO (what an unfortunate name - I know it should probably be read Telep-orno [much nicer] but it's phonetically unfortunate - anyhooz, back to topic...I wonder, what it would have meant for the final position on Amroth, had Tolkien returned to edit the Amroth materials, and so on, given that Teleporno and Alatariel (a bit creepy - they're second cousins on Tol Eressea, grandchildren, both of Olwe, through different lines) were both Eldar who'd seen the light of the Trees?

We'll never know.

I also wonder, what on Earth Galadriel and Celeborn did for 1000 years, for those story variations placing Amroth son of Amdir, ruler until 3434 SA in Lorien/South Greenwood/Lorinand and *screams* Lindorinand in the Appendices! *scratches head* - I mean, dwelling in Imladris? Really? And I guess Galadriel just hung onto those Mallorn seeds Gil Galad gave her, gifted to him from Numenor, probably much earlier, I thought. Used Nenya? *screams again* There's contrary citations about that darned Ring stuff, and hints they didn't 'hide' them at all! I mean, from 1696 through to the end of SA, that's a freakin' lotta years to just hang on to them!

Also, there's one last citation in the Appendices of CG&C where it was not Amdir at all at Dagorlad, but some other dude, *screams* starting with 'M'...I can't be bothered dredging the citation. But, Chris reckoned it was just a simple swaperoo needed to chuck in Amdir and we're all sweet. Not sure about that, now, though I need to check the relative citations' ages. It's possible the 'M' dude was supposed to depose Amdir, so that Amroth could be Celebrian's bro.

Anyhooz, I really love the tale of Amroth, the love sick Sindar/Eldar, who hangs out with a Silvan/Nandor, and a rather cross one, quite sick of the Eldar and all their nonsense. Who jumps ship in the hugest-est-ever-est storm out of the north. His *golden* hair in the waves, long seen by far-sighted Elves on the boat....that we think made it to Valinor.

Did Nandor have golden hair? I'd have thought *silver* like the Teleri. This last item makes me....wonder.....just if that little, ole Amroth had his ma's golden tresses, a-la Finarfin, a-la Indis......

Just a thought

take care matey, thanx for all the materials - look forwards to ur company.