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Blossom of Dwimordene
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Hurray for brother languages!
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And that reminds me - Butterbur and Nob use the formal as well in my translation. Quote:
The earlier Zhars, and before them - princes, were always called ty. So for me, when I see Theoden, Elrond, Denethor, and other rulers being called ty, I think "ancient".
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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Blossom of Dwimordene
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...Or something to that effect. It just sounds terribly weird if two unknown adults begin with calling each other vy and go to ty in a matter of mintes. However, it is a common thing to say "call me ty" to someone whom you are talking to, one of the reasons being to befriend them or make them feel comfortable. The most interesting thing that I just realised is that in my translation, only the hobbits ever use "vy". I do not remember anyone else saying it. This would sound rather weird if it was in English, but I must say it adds a certain charm to the Shire. *We meaning his, er, circle of friends (as assumed upon rereading, the Rangers), not him and Frodo
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Blossom of Dwimordene
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I came across another quote that I don't believe was mentioned here before:
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Glaurung could easily be talking down to Nienor, like he did before to Turin. After all, he knows that he dies victorius: he succeeded in demolishing the family. Or, maybe, he's being sarcastic and addressing Nienor like a friend and equal. Or maybe he forsees that they are equal by their death. It's a funny thing how they all died in basically the same place, Glaurung, Nienor, Turin, and Gurthang. And later Morwen.
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Funnily enough, I don't find it all that strange. I would have found it more intriguing if they had died in places that were somehow relevant to their births or later lives.
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Blossom of Dwimordene
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No, I don't find it strange that they all came together upon death. It's what they've been trying to do all life - find each other. So that place is relevant to their lives.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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You do have a point there. I wonder, though, why Glaurung should be with them.
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