WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Nerwen]

Oh, and one of my posts has indeed disappeared– didn't notice before. I quoted from it too. The only thing I can think of is that I might have accidentally hit "delete" in the process– but wouldn't that be marked as a deleted post?

The site went down for a while not long after that– may have something to do with it.

EDIT:Added remark.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Agan

Anyway Lommy's logic that my "horrible voting record isn't very convincing" is downright lousy, she KNOWS that if I was a wolf I would've done much better at spotting my fellows.

I don't like that you're using this as proof of your innocence, Agan, especially since it's something that can't be proven.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But what are you two actually agreeing about? As I've said already said, it's kind of late in the game for a "just-in-case" lynch. This is probably the last Day we could lynch him to see what he is... and look how well that's been working.

My point was that, if winty is the last wolf, and wins, we can say "oh he didn't deserve to win" all we like, but it doesn't change the facts. Quite simply it bothers me that all he's been doing is bandwagoning while the rest of us argue amongst ourselves, and I think if we're ever going to do anything about him, we should do it soon. I disagree completely with Lommy and Agan in that regard.

Originally Posted by Legate

Which is sort of in contradiction, would-be showing that Skip applies different rules on himself than on others ("better him than me" vs. the latter).

Yes, but in the situation you're describing, Skip's life actually was in danger, where Nerwen wasn't in quite as dire straits, so... I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Originally Posted by Legate

Well, it just seemed to me far-fetched, but as you see, now that I have looked at skip's posts myself, I don't find it so far-fetched anymore.

Which could be a Wolf of Amon Lanc's way of backtracking after Nerwen put up too much evidence to counter? Hm.

Originally Posted by Agan

Haha I might try that some time I'm a wolf... But all in all it's generally too risky.

...Which could be an Aganwolf's way of hanging on to her "I wouldn't be so stupid" argument. Argh.

Originally Posted by Lommy

As for her, I don't like her commentary on Skip's death at all. She even herself said a wolf would pay attention to such stuff, and that's exactly what she did. It just seems too far-fetchedly precise to be innocent.

I actually sort of agree with this comment, too. It's almost as if Nerwolf is trying to prove her innocence by using her own wolfish reasoning.

Originally Posted by Agan

As for winty, I think it's better to ignore him, regardless of his role, until he starts to post more. And if somebody tries to lynch him today "just to be on the safe side," they are either wolves or stupid. Because we just can't afford to check people out, at least as long as we don't know if there's one or two wolves.

Like I already said, I disagree totally with this. Wait... I wonder how an Aganwolf/wintyCursed scenario would play out? I suppose Lommy could fit there too, instead of Agan, based on wanting to keep winty in the game... but that could just be because we disagree on what to do about him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

To sum up... after looking at all of them, Nerwen, Legate, and Agan all have points against them... and I'm honestly not sure which are bigger! But I'd like to reiterate that I would support a winty lynch today - if he's innocent he's at most unhelpful and at least distracting, and if he's a wolf he's flying totally under the radar and going with the majority, which is a pattern I've seen from him all game.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Yes, but in the situation you're describing, Skip's life actually was in danger, where Nerwen wasn't in quite as dire straits, so... I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Well, but that does not matter so much, the point is psychological. If a Wolf saw these and compared it, it might have been a signal giving him/her the idea "Ha! A special role afraid for his life!" Of course it does not have to be so, but I can imagine it as a possibility. Anyway, we are not going to learn for sure anyway, it was just a possible explanation.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

To sum up... after looking at all of them, Nerwen, Legate, and Agan all have points against them... and I'm honestly not sure which are bigger! But I'd like to reiterate that I would support a winty lynch today - if he's innocent he's at most unhelpful and at least distracting, and if he's a wolf he's flying totally under the radar and going with the majority, which is a pattern I've seen from him all game.

Well there is still the thing that he might not just show up to vote and be modfired or something... while it's all possible that he might be an under-the-radar Wolf, right now at least from my part I will focus on those who are around, and for whom there are actually some grounds to suspect (whereas for WW there is merely his popping up and voting, which, in a way, would be enough, but then again, it's rather random too). And yes, WW does not deserve to win if he's just popping in and voting, so well... if it comes down to three people or something, and he is one of them, then it might be a hard decision, but...

Nay, right now, I am starting to grow worried of Agan a bit, especially still bearing in mind her voting list. And Nerwen's last posts have unnerved me too. Shasta has been posting generally rather unsuspiciously recently, but that might be just a good way of slipping unnoticed.

If I were to say, I'd assume the Wolf being somewhere there - or it being Winty. There is still the sort of unanswered question in the back of my head about Nerwen, she didn't look as suspicious to me yesterDay but now she again started to. It would be sort of facepalm-thing if she was the Wolf and remained alive until the last Day just because of the overturned lynch a few Days ago.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

My point was that, if winty is the last wolf, and wins, we can say "oh he didn't deserve to win" all we like, but it doesn't change the facts. Quite simply it bothers me that all he's been doing is bandwagoning while the rest of us argue amongst ourselves, and I think if we're ever going to do anything about him, we should do it soon. I disagree completely with Lommy and Agan in that regard.

I know,and I don't like it either– if he's a wolf it's definitely borderline-cheating– but if we lynch him, I think it pretty much has to be toDay. And that would make him the third person in a row we've lynched more out of curiosity than anything.

Also, do the Night-kills really seem like the work of a clueless newbie to you? I'd guess that if winty is a wolf, we've got two. (Unless he's either very lucky, or just playing dumb.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Yes, but in the situation you're describing, Skip's life actually was in danger, where Nerwen wasn't in quite as dire straits, so... I'm not sure where you're going with this.

No, actually my life was in danger at that point.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Are you perchance missing a word there or something? ("she has...?")

No. What I mean is, "pursuing me to the the extent that she has". Does that make sense to you now?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

In any case, this post of Nerwen's does not give me much of a good impression in general - it's rather, well, ineffective (in the sense: what is it good for?). My initial thought was being reminded of the desperate Wolves who make their last post before dying where they accuse everyone (see Sally's post before her death - basically the same, except for the famous line "Inzil is innocent, I just know it" or stuff like that).

You meanthis post? Where Sally is at pains to say basically nothing about anyone? (Except Zil.)

No, Legate it's not at all like that. Sally was a wolf who was very likely trying to look like the Seer. I'm an innocent who is trying to sort things out for myself by listing the points against each player. Not bad points, either, I think.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

No, actually my life was in danger at that point.

I wasn't disputing that, but you dying at that point would have required a concerted effort by three different people (I think), and Skip was already tied for the lead at the time he voted (again, if I'm wrong, correct me ).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

No. What I mean is, "pursuing me to the the extent that she has". Does that make sense to you now?

Ah, okay. Now I get it.

You meanthis post? Where Sally is at pains to say basically nothing about anyone? (Except Zil.)

No, Legate it's not at all like that. Sally was a wolf who was very likely trying to look like the Seer. I'm an innocent who is trying to sort things out for myself by listing the points against each player. Not bad points, either, I think.

Okay, point taken. But even with that Sally's posts, Wolves do things like that in general (and often in far subtler ways, of course).

That said, the fact that you don't want to lynch ww, even though it might be a possible candidate with some support, makes you again look better in my eyes... unless you two are comrades now... I would expect a Wolf to be a lot more open to a possible lynch, especially if under suspicion.

[Brinniel]

I think you guys are misunderstanding my lynching Nerwen to "ease my mind" comment. I don't want to lynch her out of curiousity. I am suspicious of her and have reasons to be. Lately some of Nerwen's behaviour has made me to slightly doubt my suspicion, but then again Nerwen can be a very clever wolf...she has won as a lone wolf before and looked completely innocent up until the end. If I allow her not-so-suspicious behaviour convince me not to vote her, then I'm afraid we'll later find out she is a wolf and lose because I didn't vote her. I would never forgive myself...and would probably end up smashing my head against the wall until it explodes. If Nerwen is lynched and turns out innocent, yeah that really sucks, but I wouldn't be killing myself over voting her because I did, after all, find her wolfish.

Btw, I will not support a winty lynch. I'm not saying he can't be a wolf, but it seems much more unlikely, and I do not want another Day with an easy lynch that could get us nowhere. If we lynch winty and he's innocent, then we've basically lost the game because we'll be in the same position toMorrow as we are toDay.

I have class in ten minutes and don't have much time to say more. I won't be back until less than an hour before deadline, so I'm afraid you won't be hearing a lot from me. I do wish I could look at everyone better because I'm feeling paranoid as of late, but I just don't have the time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Aganzir– I don't see what Aganwolf would have to gain by pursuing me to the extent she has, (unless she's trying to revive the old "witch-hunt" technique, but that would be foolhardy).

Are you perchance missing a word there or something? ("she has...?")

Brinn– voting record almost eerily good, (yes, I know, the pot addresses the kettle) possible subtle defence of Glirdan. Yeah, whatever, I already looked at her a couple of Days ago and she came up "inconclusive". Now, however, I'm starting to find her actually creepy, mainly because of this, toDay:

My bolding. This late in the game, with an unknown number of wolves still around, lynching me is worth it just to set her poor little mind at rest– even if I turn out innocent, it seems ("whatever her role"). Not good.
Also, picks up on the "one of them must be a wolf" meme.

Definitely agreed that lynching somebody "just for the sake of it" is not a good idea, however, I see it that way that she just wants to lynch you AND if you are not a Wolf, she would not pity that so much - which is somewhat understandable thinking. However, certainly we should not lynch somebody for the peace of mind - we had such a liberty more or less in the last few Days, but now it is getting somewhat more dense again.

Speaking of Brinn, I have been thinking her mostly innocent before, so I am starting to think whether she could not have been slipping under my radar now, but maybe it will be best to wait for her to post and follow her to get more information about her.

In any case, this post of Nerwen's does not give me much of a good impression in general - it's rather, well, ineffective (in the sense: what is it good for?). My initial thought was being reminded of the desperate Wolves who make their last post before dying where they accuse everyone (see Sally's post before her death - basically the same, except for the famous line "Inzil is innocent, I just know it" or stuff like that). Basically this kind of mentality could be just half-resignation (which sounds almost incredible in relation to Nerwen) or just a post with no real value, making oneself a wide range of suspicion (like, right now Nerwen could vote anybody), or something like that.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, and one of my posts has indeed disappeared– didn't notice before. I quoted from it too. The only thing I can think of is that I might have accidentally hit "delete" in the process– but wouldn't that be marked as a deleted post?

The site went down for a while not long after that– may have something to do with it.

EDIT:Added remark.

Okay, whatever, that might be it.

EDIT: x-ed with two Shastas