WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by The Might

Oh man, all this posting is going tooo fast!

Anyway, just cross-posted with a lot, probably will with this post as well...I mean I somehow manage to confuse everyone unintetionally pretty much every first day...but Sally seems to try.

The question for me is what does she want to achieve as an innocent?
Because if she turns out to be an innocent, I shall be very, very, very disappointed with the playing style as it's pretty much cobblerish and not helping us at all. She simply can't be an ordo...

Ack my internet keeps dying! I start a post, say something, go to post, and it dies! I'm cursed :S

Again, not answering to the "can't be an ordo" theory, but rather to my posting style. Dang it I can't stay away from the bloody game like I said I was going to, but when I get back I'm going to have an actual post. In the meantime I want to get as much stirred up as possible and make as many people talk as I can muster. As I alluded to before, I want plenty to reply to when I get back and plenty to reference from other people. And if you want to lynch me for it, I don't blame you, because I probably seem like a complete nut case. If you do though, make sure to look back at today's posts and see what's been thrown around. I'm perfectly willing to stir up stuff and get killed if it helps the village as a whole sniff out a werewolf.

Oh dear and I'm late for work almost. Much like yesterday I thought I wouldn't get on the internet but just couldn't stay away. Blast. *turning off computer in five minutes*

[Kuruharan]

I want to get as much stirred up as possible and make as many people talk as I can muster.

-and-

I'm perfectly willing to stir up stuff and get killed if it helps the village as a whole sniff out a werewolf.

-Sally

But if you're innocent what's the point of getting everybody talking about you?

Its not like we don't have other leads to follow at this point. We don't really need innocents dancing out on limbs and getting everyone confused and suiciding themselves at this particular moment.

Of course, if you are a wolf what is the point about getting everybody talking about you too...

The Strange is strong in this one.

[The Might]

Sorry for any offense Aganzir, though I am not sure what you mean.

Lol, that made me laugh Kuruharan, too bad none of the wolves is called the Strange or else things would have been quite clear.

I am not quite certain about the way Sally wants to help us notice who the wolves are by behaving like this. You would notice that it's pretty much all that accuse you, and the wolves at least at this point will probably do the same, as it would be too incriminating to support Sally. So actually...it doesn't help us at all.

It could well be that the wolves noticed that Sally is a main suspect and use this confusion to keep us only concentrated on this.
I say we should maybe try to talk about other possible wolves as well.

[Kuruharan]

It could well be that the wolves noticed that Sally is a main suspect and use this confusion to keep us only concentrated on this.
-The Might

Except she's the one doing this. If she is a wolf and is doing this as cover...we'll have to kill her sooner or later.

If she's not a wolf...ummm...yeah.

I say we should maybe try to talk about other possible wolves as well.
- The Might

Yeah, what happened to the morm-thwacking I was expecting to engage in today...

Unless of course this is a clever plot to save him...

[The Might]

Maybe this would be too risky...but what about a morm / Sally double-lynch?
I mean, I am not sure what to think about such an attempt, that is why I'm asking what your opinion is?

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by The Might

Maybe this would be too risky...but what about a morm / Sally double-lynch?
I mean, I am not sure what to think about such an attempt, that is why I'm asking what your opinion is?

I'm not big on double-lynchings. They are too easy to mess up...and the wolves get to vote too...

And what if they are both innocent after all...

On the other hand...attempting to organize one might flush some people out.

I'm still inclined to say "no" though...

And I have a feeling this might become a topic of heated (and totally beside the point) contention if we tried it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Just to put it out there, I'm totally against multiple lynchings.

They're too easy to screw up, they're too easy to hide behind, they're not very sportsmanlike.

Still, you're right Kuru. It would be interesting to orchestrate one just to see what happens.

With the goal in mind that we not actually kill multipeople, it would be interesting to set up a multiple lynch and see who steps in at the last minute.

But that's a dangerous game to play.

[Meneltarmacil]

I've gone back and read Sally's posts, and I was quite surprised at the results.

Sally appears to say nothing good or bad about herself, and hardly leaves anything to follow, except for the fact that she feels very regretful about not being able to participate more. Her recent comment about not even bothering to defend herself is, well, familiar to me, since it's happened to me before. Sally is basically the kind of person who tries desperately to participate and be helpful, but whose desperation eventually will get her lynched for giving the impression of wolfishness. It's happened to my ancestors before.

And yes, I know that people are going to call me a wolf for writing what I just wrote, but I just can't see any evidence for her being either an innocent or a wolf. I know that a wolf could post like her just as easily and the desperation would make sense there as well (my wolf ancestors have been lynched like that before), but I really don't think there's enough substance in her posts to tell one way or another.

Anyhow, regardless of what happens, I agree that mormegil has to be lynched, and soon. If a double lynch is what it takes to kill him, I'm willing to go for it.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by The Might

Maybe this would be too risky...but what about a morm / Sally double-lynch?
I mean, I am not sure what to think about such an attempt, that is why I'm asking what your opinion is?

Even if you suggested a Menel/Volo double lynch I would say that is foolish at this stage.

Edit: I'm only to this post so far.

[Meneltarmacil]

Morm, the points I mentioned were:

You and Green both agreed that Lommy Looked suspicious.

You and Green both suspected me based on my in-game sarcastic jokes.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Except she's (Sally) the one doing this. If she is a wolf and is doing this as cover...we'll have to kill her sooner or later.

Yeah, what happened to the morm-thwacking I was expecting to engage in today...

Unless of course this is a clever plot to save him...

It may be a plot to save him, but I'm not too sure as to the "clever" part... after all, Sally herself was the one who said that Morm and her just could NOT be wolves together.

Yeah, right...

[Macalaure]

Three dead people to look at. Sweet.

(this post will be cross-posted with everything on page 8)


A Little Green


Before I start, let me say that I think it's very unlikely that no wolf voted for her. There are 8 votes for her. One, perhaps two must be wolvish.


Lily and the Might

Lily wrote these rather suspect lines about the Might
"His defence does look very feeble to me, but then again that makes him seem pretty innocent if you see my point."
"The Might's self-vote struck me as odd. I would say that it was more the behaviour of a frustrated innocent than of a plotting wolf."

He returned it with this:
"I think it was A Little Green that put it best, I simply wasn't in the mood of again being voted like in the last game only because I act a bit confused and maybe confusing."
He voted her in a safe 7th position. The interaction of Lily and the Might is extremely fishy.


Lily and Sally

"Nerwen and Sally both look pretty innocent at the moment."
This could be the mentioning a fellow wolf as innocent in a minor comment. It could also be nothing.


Lily and Lommy

Lily attacked Lommy consistently and in a way that makes it appear serious. Lommy suspected Lily continuously, too, although she kept her newbieness in mind. This behavior doesn't fit to two wolves, even if they agreed on lynching each other. In the one case, they keep the village's attention on each other way too much, in the other it's not aggressive enough.


Lily and morm

I don't see why people suspect morm so much because of Lily's comments. I can't believe that a wolf-morm would have allowed a newbie-Lily-wolf to defend her as unskillfully as this.


Lily and Volo

She asks him twice to explain a point, which is suspicious. If he was innocent, wouldn't she rather have tried to put Volo's unclear statements in a bad light instead of urging him to explain? There's also:
"Volo is suspicious, but I'd be reluctant to vote for him because I don't have valid arguments against him."
Her late vote means nothing.

Volo, on the other hand, seems to be more serious with his suspicions against Lily. He didn't mention her on day one and then pursued her on day two. He gives her the almost deciding 4th vote. If a wolf tried to actively kill Lily, then Volo fits the description.

Originally Posted by Volo

The other Lily-voters look good too.

I disagree and point out the convenience of this statement.


Lily and Menel

"I found Menel's continuous joking about not being eaten disturbing.
my vote today will most probably be Menel."

Menel finds her suspicious but chooses morm over her for reasons I think are understandable.


Lily and Aganzir

There's the brief interaction about loud/silent at the beginning of day 2. Aganzir only really mentions her once, declaring her suspicious.
As a wolf, she would have had options to vote otherwise and not give Lily the 3rd vote. If she wanted to sacrifice her, she would have treated the suspicion differently, I think.


Lily and Brinn

Brinn seconds one of Lily's question to Volo, which is slightly suspicious. But she finds her suspicious after her analyses, and she was careful to declare somebody suspicious in those.
She gives her the 5th vote, finally sealing her fate.


Lily and Fea

Fea gives a detailed answer about why morm is suspicious. She's the first to vote her, ideal for a wolf-on-wolf. All this would be suspicious, but her answer to Lily gives me a genuine feel.


Farael said Lily is consistently clueless, which is a slight late attempt of defense.

Kath thinks Lily suspicious and gives her the second vote. Very little to go after.


no interaction: Shasta, Kuru


only considering the interaction with Lily:

suspicious: Volo, The Might

a little suspicious: Sally, Farael

neutral: Aganzir, Menel, Fea, Kath, Kuru, Shasta

innocent: Lommy, morm, Brinn


I'll have a look at Legate and Rikae tomorrow. I won't have a lot of time and will be forced to vote early, about 3 hours before the deadline.

[Brinniel]

One last thing on Sally: I feel her actions are too risky for a wolf, but I'm still not certain. Right now, I am more confused than anything.

Originally Posted by Sally

If you do though, make sure to look back at today's posts and see what's been thrown around. I'm perfectly willing to stir up stuff and get killed if it helps the village as a whole sniff out a werewolf.

Okay, I do agree that if she is innocent, at least one wolf is taking advantage of her strange behaviour. But Sally, I don't see why you think you need to die to help us sniff out a wolf. After all, there are plenty of trails already; we just have to look for them.

While we can't put Sally out of the picture completely, Might is right; we need to look at other suspects.

Looking at the voting yesterDay, I think there was at least one wolf-on-wolf vote, maybe more. Perhaps we should take a closer look at those who voted Green without expressing any serious suspicion of her before the voting bandwagon began. I definitely want to check into that when I return.

But for now I'm really tired and in serious need of a nap. I'll be back later tonight with some more detailed thoughts. No major flood posting from me toDay; I know you all will be so disappointed.

EDIT: mass X-ed

[Meneltarmacil]

Aganzir, I read Volo's posts in order to do an analysis of him that I posted yesterDay. That bit about his supects was one of the first things I noticed about him.

Mormegil is still my prime suspect, now more than ever. His frequent agreement with A Little Green and her defense of him, along with the mysterious shift in his playing style, just screams "I'm a wolf!" to me.

The reason I suggested that A Little Green might just be a newbie and not a wolf was only used to justify a tricky choise of vote on my part. A lot of what mad her look suspicious was also present in morm and I reasoned that while there was a possible explanation in Greenie's case, morm should have known better. I was not trying to say that A Little Green was innocent, just that morm looked more wolfish than she did.

As for Sally, I hadn't been paying her a lot of attention, but I'll go check her posts now.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Mormegil is still my prime suspect, now more than ever. His frequent agreement with A Little Green and her defense of him, along with the mysterious shift in his playing style, just screams "I'm a wolf!" to me.

This is the pot calling the kettle black but Menel this is rather lazy of you! I don't recall ever agreeing with Green. Can you provide quotes? As to my shift in playing style I have tried to address this over the past...oh 4 to 6 games I've played. I don't have as much time as I did in the past ergo the days of morm being the top poster are gone. I do what I can and I got a bit tired of being type cast for everything...so yes there is a change but it's not just this game it's longer term and intentional