WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Thinlómien]

No chance of double-lycnhing Sally and Lily anymore, is there? A pity, I would maybe have been willing to risk that...

EDIT: xed with Mig, Leg and Brin

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

No chance of double-lycnhing Sally and Lily anymore, is there? A pity, I would maybe have been willing to risk that...

This quote right here has me wondering what to do about Loomy... if both Loomy and Sally are wolves, then killing one would put the other on the clear, at least for a bit... and at this point Loomy should have known that a double-lynch was not a possibility.

However, it just does not add up... Loomy is being extremely clueless, which is rather odd for her, at least the Loomy I knew a while back.

Here's a theory that seems a little cobbled together (thanks Mod there are no cobblers in this game or that sentence right there would've gotten me lynched) but may be some truth to it.

The wolves decided that the best way for one of them to survive until the end was to be at each other's throats. That way, if one got lynched, at least one other wolf would be in the clear for a good while.

However, it couldn't be obvious that a group of FOUR people were always arguign 'cos that'd raise suspicion too, so they decided that they'd have to tone it down a bit.

So Morm and Loomy have a bit of a spat... Loomy suspects Greenie but at the last moment tries at least to save her if she can... no wolf would be THAT clueless.... it also explains why Loomy proposes Sally as a double-lynch candidate when it was hardly possible.

I don't think I have enough evidence right now to prove it, but perhaps someone with more analysing skills than me could check their posts and see if s/he can find harder evidence.

For the time being, I still think Sally is just awfully suspicious and that we should lynch her. Her comments with regards to Morm and her innocense, proposed in such a convoluted way sound more like a wolf grasping at straws than a misguided ordo.

Edit: X-ed with everyone after my first post

[satansaloser2005]

*runs about wreaking further havoc among the village, just to see what kind of reactions she can garner*


Oh, how tempted I am to come up with another off-the-wall vote. But I think if I did it again today there might be a holy furry uprising and I would die at the hands of the mob. Thus I'll keep my mouth shut today (voting wise at least hehe) until I can get a grasp of what you others think. In other words, the fun has only begun, but I'm taking a several hour sabattical from my intrigues.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*runs about wreaking further havoc among the village, just to see what kind of reactions she can garner*


Oh, how tempted I am to come up with another off-the-wall vote. But I think if I did it again today there might be a holy furry uprising and I would die at the hands of the mob. Thus I'll keep my mouth shut today (voting wise at least hehe) until I can get a grasp of what you others think. In other words, the fun has only begun, but I'm taking a several hour sabattical from my intrigues.

Ok, THAT'S IT. I'm voting for you unless the Seer him/her self has a better plan. While I enjoy being odd and off the walls quite a lot, I at least try to put SOME meassure of content into my posts on Day 3!! And most importantly, since we nailed ourselves a wolf, there IS some hard evidence to be found.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Farael

Ok, THAT'S IT. I'm voting for you unless the Seer him/her self has a better plan. While I enjoy being odd and off the walls quite a lot, I at least try to put SOME meassure of content into my posts on Day 3!! And most importantly, since we nailed ourselves a wolf, there IS some hard evidence to be found.

Frankly I'm too lazy to defend myself. Last game I got suspected (if only briefly) for saying the first day that I knew only of my own innocence, and this game I don't want to bother to convince you. And I don't plan on stirring up havoc really, just testing everyone's reactions to my posts. Some are quite intriguing, to say the least.

[Kuruharan]

...although I have to admit there are strong elements of confusion coming from Sally's posts at the moment.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by The Might

Oh man, all this posting is going tooo fast!

Anyway, just cross-posted with a lot, probably will with this post as well...I mean I somehow manage to confuse everyone unintetionally pretty much every first day...but Sally seems to try.

The question for me is what does she want to achieve as an innocent?
Because if she turns out to be an innocent, I shall be very, very, very disappointed with the playing style as it's pretty much cobblerish and not helping us at all. She simply can't be an ordo...

Ack my internet keeps dying! I start a post, say something, go to post, and it dies! I'm cursed :S

Again, not answering to the "can't be an ordo" theory, but rather to my posting style. Dang it I can't stay away from the bloody game like I said I was going to, but when I get back I'm going to have an actual post. In the meantime I want to get as much stirred up as possible and make as many people talk as I can muster. As I alluded to before, I want plenty to reply to when I get back and plenty to reference from other people. And if you want to lynch me for it, I don't blame you, because I probably seem like a complete nut case. If you do though, make sure to look back at today's posts and see what's been thrown around. I'm perfectly willing to stir up stuff and get killed if it helps the village as a whole sniff out a werewolf.

Oh dear and I'm late for work almost. Much like yesterday I thought I wouldn't get on the internet but just couldn't stay away. Blast. *turning off computer in five minutes*

[The Might]

Just a post of all of Legate's most recent posts (since the beginning of Day 2) to maybe help me or you find some clues. I apologize for the length. I also edited out the smilies as I'm not allowed to have as many.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

NOTICE: cross-posted with all since Fea's long post "Everybody that directly mentioned her". I don't have time (or more, energy) to write another thing corresponding to the posts I x-posted with, but I will surely think about them till tomorrow. The main point of this is that the concerned person, morm, has posted meanwhile.

I don't have probably much to add to what was already said. I believe most of what was voiced makes sense, except for, as always, my wife, who is chatting here and making improbable theories instead of preparing something to eat for me (that's how it works at us Sackville-Bagginses). What I mean: Agan, the reasons you say could have been also reasons for her getting killed seem to be very, very weak points. I mean, seriously, I don't think anyone would kill Valier only because he considered her hunches dangerous or that he was a quiet one (that seems really silly to me because there were others speaking about quiet ones and, anyway, surely not ALL the wolves are quiet ones? Or what? Well they could be, but I believe everyone focuses, to a certain extent, on the quiet ones. At least in certain stage of the game it would come). These could have been secondary reasons, but if one of them were, there had to be also one primary reason that was not one of these two. And that I believe to be her comment:

As it was said. I think it's as simple as that: the wolves said "Look, probably a Seer" (and even if she isn't, why not to try). That seems the most probable to me. The question would be, what part in their reasoning plays morm - is he one of them? Could be: it's not very clever for a wolf to eliminate a person who seems to nail you, the more if he later shows to be a Seer who dreamt of you (which could very well be true), but still it's better to eliminate her when she speaks only about "hunches" and while she does not say yet "he is a wolf, because I dreamt of him". Other possibility, likewise probable - morm is not a wolf, but the wolves noticed an opportunity to pass the guilt on someone else. Why not? Solving two problems at once. Third possibility, they simply did not care and the main thing was killing Valier. Fourth possibility, morm is one of them and he wanted to use this as a double-trick, as he could cover himself by saying "of course had I been a wolf I wouldn't have done that". But the latter seems the least probable to me, because no one says it would even work. It would be more like a random toss: okay, it will bring me in the spotlight, let's see if I can save myself or not.
But all of this is stemming from the basic idea, as I said, that Valier was killed because of being the Seer. It's not the only possibility, but for me really the most probable. I can't just imagine a clever wolf-morm saying "Arrgh! Valier voted me, we must kill her!" as the only reason. He would have three companions to calm him down, in any case.

So, as I said - I agree with the basic opinion that was outlined here, and for the finish before I go to sleep, I can say my feelings on the posts of the people who appeared here today this far. Lommy, especially her last (totally confused ) post strike me as very innocentish (if you are a wolf, Lommy, this far you are fooling me brilliantly). Sally makes me quite nervous with these cannibalistic notes, but she is always like that, as far as I noticed. The Might holds up to the image I have created of him, so even he looks more or less okay. Fea is helpful... very helpful. Does she do that always? Agan, last but not least, seems genuine, though... though. Her points that I criticised above play no role in that - they seem genuine. Simply wrong (from my POV) opinions. But the general way of the post can be also that a wolf has arrived here, realised where the wind is turning to and posted according to it. But who knows.

I'm leaving now. Bye.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, I was here reading but as I said, I don't have energy to write anything new, just a conclusion: after all I have read, up to Volo's post now above me*, I still stand behind all I said in my post, so it's still valid. These are my last words for now and let me only say that morm's reply, though very, how to say that, intelligent-looking, made me think more that he indeed can be a part of the wolf-clan, prepared to create havoc centered on him with the result left to destiny, either he survives or heroically dies for the pack. It's, let's say, 60% now for me that it is like that (before, it was 50-50 for me whether he is or is not). That's the only change.

*Oh, and yes, I didn't read Farael as it seems to open a whole new topic (also from a totally "new" person), I will do so tomorrow.

Really leaving. Bye.

EDIT: okay, x-ed with Farael. What he says more or less accords to what I think - as you can read above in my post. I like this post of him. Will read the long one later. REALLY leaving. Bye.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Hmmmmmmm. I have read everything but I probably don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion right now. The best thing I can do now is to ventilate the thoughts that go through my mind on everyone:

GREEN ZONE

Farael
Lommy
Volo

YELLOW ZONE

Brinniel - like I said earlier, seems okay. Though in the last game, she seemed okay to me and was a wolf. In fact, I got similar feelings about her as I get now. But there is nothing more to support the fact.
Fea - seems trying to look helpful or simply does what she does, and there is nothing particularly suspicious about her now.
LG, though the more I read the more I am getting paranoid about her. But that's not my fault, that's how some others still speak about her...
Macalaure - where is he, anyway?
Shasta. There is very little to be gathered about him. A little out-of-game note: I once again realised that I am thinking of him as about female. And that goes on and on even though I repeatedly noticed that and tried to do something with that in about four or more earlier games. Please Shasta, do you mind if I call you differently, because Shasta and Shastanis still both seem like female names to me. Could I, for my personal purpose, call you either Shastan or Shast? I know it both sounds horrible, but it will help me much. And you can pick the one you like better

ORANGE ZONE

My lovely wife Ah heck, she's in fact almost in the yellow zone, just there is something in the way she posts... that makes me feel uncomfortable.
Kath makes me feel somewhat uneasy.
Kuru. My suspicion about him from tomorrow still lasts. Where is he toDay?
Meneltarmacil - as it was mentioned here, maybe he's a little overdoing that with his "Number five is still alive!" comments.
Mormegil Harrybelly - like I said, it's 60:40 now with him that he may be a wolf.
The Might I just made an interesting theory on what behavior he could have adopted had he been a wolf. It was based on the observation of his behavior in the last game. I'd say a wolf-Might could have picked a good innocent horse and follow his judgements, no one could blame him ("I am a newbie and I am not sure, so I follow other people whom I consider wise"). Actually, he said that in one of his first posts, but seemingly he does not do that. Maybe his hope was ruined by my negative response. Nevertheless, it's a theory I thought of when trying to imagine a wolf-Might.
Sally Like I said in my first post toDay.


RED ZONE

More or less waiting to be filled with the person who I am going to vote for.


And Morm, I did vote. I see some kind souls even explained that for me already... But whatever, seems to me that it was not your fault but probably Kath's, since she did not, for whatever reason, place my name in the list of voters, and it looks like you used the list of votes she placed in her post, right? Anyway, here you can see that it's better to see to everything yourselves and not just copy what others post.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Mac, just a note. If you think my vote was fishy in any way, look at my post #105. A post before, you personally pointed out the danger of double-lynch and I was the first one who asked whether people are going to vote Nerwen and then after me there was the line of others, including you, who confirmed they'll vote for Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Very simple, Fea. It was a reply to my remark pointing at the male-chauvinistic manners in the Sackville-Bagginses' family. Though I must say it's a good objection to be raised, since if at any hobbit family, it definitely does nor work like that at the Sackville-Bagginses from what we know. I have to remember that for further, since it was obviously off-role.

But anyway, it is a comment that does not concern the game itself.

And by the way, Aganzir is a "she".

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Alright, some views on the current situation.

I see many people speak about Lilla Greenhand here as being suspicious. Well, for myself I can say she seemed more or less genuine to me at the beginning and that this image is beginning to dissolve slowly, as I said before. The opinions she holds in her #223 could make me suspect her more: given her overall behavior, she seems to follow certain long-time suspects, and she holds to them whatever the case. Also, she seems to defend morm, which, in the case he were a were a were a were wolf (sorry, that was the keyboard), could point to her as a pack-mate, and vice versa. But the main thing are the long-time suspects, as I said - bite and hold, maybe once the bit of flesh will fall off. That moves her to the orange zone for me.

However, what strikes me as terribly wolfish was Sally's post:

And even the rest of it. I don't see that she would be as much attacked upon, but look what she does! "It is unlikely that both of US are wolves" - what is that supposed to mean? I would understand if she said that about someone else. I would understand if she said that at the point when, let's say, morm revealed a wolf and she were accused. But this? Why? How? What?
I simply don't get this comment. I said before what I thought about her posting, and I tried to be reserved because I had problems with not being suspicious on her because of her style even if she were innocent. But I cannot resist now and switch her into the red alert zone. Unless there appears another candidate in my red zone, or unless there is any voting crisis and threat upon someone whom I consider innocent, I'll probably vote her toDay.

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

"Not much time marine, so listen up. I'm opening the hangar door..."

I can already see the votes flying around like mad. Based on previous suspicion,

++sally

EDIT: x-ed with Mac and Volo. Volo, have you waited a minute, maybe you would have had a reason

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Sally -> morm
Farael -> Rikae
Shasta -> Volo
morm -> Volo (Volo 2, morm 1)
Fea -> Lily (Volo 2, morm 1, Lily 1)
Kath -> Lily (Volo 2, Lily 2, morm 1)
Aganzir -> Lily (Lily 3, Volo 2, morm 1)
Menel -> morm (Lily 3, Volo 2, morm 2)
Volo -> Lily (Lily 4, Volo 2, morm 2)
Legate -> Sally (Lily 4, Volo 2, morm 2, sally 1)
Brinn -> Lily (Lily 5, Volo 2, morm 2, sally 1)
Mac -> Lily (Lily 6, Volo 2, morm 2, sally 1)


So given the remaining votes it looks like it's clearly LiGre (liquor?) today. Only let me voice my pity over the fact that from such a big bandwaggon there is worse to obtain any info about the voters (be she a wolf or not).

And TM, you missed something - the votes are far further now already (and maybe more while I am writing this).

EDIT: x-ed with mac and liquor

[Brinniel]

Okay, I really don't get what's going on with Sally's posts.

To intentionally cause confusion in such an obvious way is practically suicidal for a wolf. Yet at the same time, why would an innocent want to confuse us?

Originally Posted by Sally

Frankly I'm too lazy to defend myself. Last game I got suspected (if only briefly) for saying the first day that I knew only of my own innocence, and this game I don't want to bother to convince you.

Okay, so perhaps you don't care about your own life. But if you are innocent, you should care about the village and make an effort.

EDIT: X-ed with Volo, Sally, Might

[mormegil]

I just read all of A Little Green's posts again and I must say that it is interesting how much she talked about Lommy and Volo but didn't ever really bring anything up of any substance against them. It's the classic wolf accusing wolf but not really knowing why but making sure to mention them so that when one is lynched it doesn't look so obvious. The usual pattern, as a wolf, is to 'suspect' one of your fellows but not to a point to actually get them lynched and keep one in the innocent category along with others.

My guess is that one of the two is guilty. She spoke more about Lommy and less about Volo but when her fate was sealed she voted Volo, which is telling in my opinion. Again, I feel less inclined to Lommy's guilt and more to Volo's.

[Aganzir]

Day 1

Legate found (more or less) suspicious:
mormegil
The Might
Nerwen
Kuru

Legate found (more or less) innocent:
Menel
Brinniel
Lommy

Was considered suspicious by:
Volo
Rikae

Was considered innocent by:
Aganzir
Lommy
Mac

Day 2

Legate found (more or less) suspicious:
sally
Greenie
Aganzir
Kath
Kuru
Menel
morm
The Might

Legate found (more or less) innocent:
Farael
Lommy
Volo
Fea (the only one on his Yellow zone I include, as she's the only one he clearly considered innocentish)

Was considered suspicious by:
morm (based on the thought Legate didn't vote)
Mac
The Might

Was considered innocent by:
Lommy
Volo
Brinniel
Aganzir

**

If Legate was killed because of being considered the seer, it would point at Lommy's innocence. But on the other hand, a Lommy-wolf could well pick someone who thought she was innocent and say the next day "I guess the wolves thought he was the seer who had dreamt of me." I'm not willing to lynch Lommy only because of such a two-sided thing, but it doesn't make me feel much better about her.

Even after spending quite a lot of time with this, I have no idea who the ones responsible for Legate's death are. I have my suspicions about werewolves, but not about Legate's killers and their motives. I'm too tired (at the moment) and too bad at guessing why somebody died (always).

However, after all the things posted while my absence, I feel slightly better about Menel, and that's enough not to vote him toDay. Brinniel's worrying me more.

I wouldn't like risking a double lynch. After either sally or morm is dead (and that seems to happen toDay anyway), it's easier to analyse their intentions.

Sally doesn't look as wolfish as she did previously. That doesn't make me suspect her less though. She's clearly realised she'll be lynched if she goes on behaving like she did, and that's a good reason to change tactics.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have to vote really early again. Sorry; last week of classes and I'm swamped, plus I didn't sleep last night.

++Sally

I feel like the regression back into 'normalcy' was more like a flinch. I still don't know what to think of her earlier "Am I a wolf? Am I not a wolf? Lalala." It's gutsy/stupid for a wolf and irresponsible/stupid for an innocent. Either way, not the sort of likely action I'm comfortable keeping around. I wish I had time to stick around and analyze/watch/etcetera. But I'm not really sure of my suspicions right now. I'm comfortable lynching Sal and hoping she's lupine. Even if she's not, I'd say the village is probably better off without the chaos (I know, this coming from me!).

[Aganzir]

I managed to destroy my post and don't have any idea how. Argh.

**

I think Brinniel and The Might are wolves.

Last Day Might found he had a chance to lynch two innocents and he did it.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I think TM looks quite innocent. I mean, he's long past the point of wolvishness: he's too suspicious. No wolf in his right mind would play like that.I think TM looks quite innocent. I mean, he's long past the point of wolvishness: he's too suspicious. No wolf in his right mind would play like that.

And that might be the reason why he dares to act like that. If everybody thought he's too suspicious to be a wolf it'd be almost too easy for him to escape real suspicion. He could always say he's just a newbie and would not be so daring as a wolf.

Might has been acting quite suspiciously especially towards the Days' end. The following morning he's explained, apologised or whatever. I don't like that too much either. It looks almost too much like fellows have told him what to do.

Both Brinn and Might voted for Greenie. In the previous game Brinn couldn't decide whether to vote for fellow-Mac or innocent Might. She has obviously learnt something from that experience.
When Might voted, it didn't matter anymore, as Greenie was leading by several votes.

I get quite a bad feeling from Brinn's posts. Especially on her previous Days' posts look like she posts what she has decided to post, whether or not it has something to do with other posts. Or, the main contents of the posts is something she has beforehand decided to say. Ok, everybody does that, at least to some extent, but in Brinn's case it looks plainly wolfish. I'm not sure if this made sense, but I can't put it better. It just is looks wolfish.
And how Brinn has treated Might gives an impression of her speaking of a fellow wolf:

Originally Posted by Brinn #35

The Might's behaviour, starting with the "let's lynch a quiet person" attitude does make me a bit uneasy. Yet, I'm thinking this is more likely to be newbie behaviour than suspicious.

Originally Posted by Brinn #89

I'm not sure what to think of The Might now. Reading post #69, I became entirely suspicious of the "don't lynch me because I'm unique" argument. But then he went off and did a suicide vote...which makes me think he's now just giving up. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think a wolf would give up so easily like that...

Originally Posted by Brinn #96

Right now, it's a toss-up to me whether Might is a wolf. I don't want to put him out of the picture, but at the same time I don't want to vote for him toDay. If he's still looking odd toMorrow, I will certainly look more closely at him.

Originally Posted by Brinn #195

Now it is at these very first statements that causes the controversy. Yet, I find usually the one who starts controversy and grabs attention is innocent. I would almost rather look at those who continued this discussion past its expiration date for any wolvishness.

She makes a show of almost suspecting him. "There's something slightly disturbing but nothing serious yet..." And if Might is suspected, it'll be easy for her to quickly change opinions and be against him, like she's indeed done toDay.

Originally Posted by Might #363

Guess a double lynching is too risky as we don't know much yet, I hope that the Seer is doing a good job and might provide with some information soon.

This post disturbs me. It looks like Might was rushing the seer to reveal herself- and for what reason? I wonder.

**

By the way, if Shasta doesn't vote toDay he'll be modfired. And I think we cannot afford losing any extra players anymore.

[Kuruharan]

If Menel is a wolf, then Volo is most likely innocent.

I agree with this.

I think the best thing for the village to do right now is figure out which one of our suspect wolves is going to yield the most information when they are killed.

I think, at this point Menel’s death would be the most informative.

What are other people’s thoughts?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I think the best thing for the village to do right now is figure out which one of our suspect wolves is going to yield the most information when they are killed.

I think, at this point Menel’s death would be the most informative.

What are other people’s thoughts?

I'm still rereading and writing a longer post, but I'll pop up to comment. Right now I feel that Menel's or Miggy's death would be the most informative, but I'd prefer lynching Menel because he looks more wolvish.

[Brinniel]

I already know I will vote for either Menel or Might toDay.

And whatever one doesn't die toDay, I will most likely vote for toMorrow.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I already know I will vote for either Menel or Might toDay.

And whatever one doesn't die toDay, I will most likely vote for toMorrow.

That's kind of the way I'm leaning now...but I want to remain open to other possibilities.

Inflexibility isn't good.

[Volo]

Aganzir, well found. I think it points more to Brinn's guilt than Might's. Just because it could be a bluff.

The thing most suspicious with Brinn is how she - to some extent - sided with morm.


I'm still at a meeting though it's turned a bit lazy, lucky that it's at an internet cafe.
I dislike such decisions like what has been made (voting or "voting" early.), but I must admit that I don't have much to add right now...

[Thinlómien]

Argh. I'm quite hopeless and tired and wouldn't really mind being dead so I wouldn't need to try to make anything of all of this confusing stuff and try to force my brain to think who's wolf and who's not. But, on the other hand, I really wouldn't like to die now after being this wrong about everyone. I mean, I would hardly be content with myself after a game in which I had seriously suspected one wolf and three innocents. So, no worries, I think I'm getting over this useless pessimism and trying to hunt some wolves.

Feelings based on a reread:

Aganzir - Seems both suspicious and genuine. I realised I really can't ever read her, which is quite depressing. I'm a bit worried that no one has really paid her much attention during the whole game. I think her posts seem slightly more Pinnocent than guilty, but I have a feeling she's (again) fooling me and laughing evilly. Argh, I really don't know.

Meneltarmacil - He said (in post #149): "However, the last Night's activities do cast doubt on a morm-wolf scenario, so caution is necessary. Mostly, I just wanted to talk here so as not to be too silent. Talking often is always a good idea." Which made me raise my eyebrows. Why on earth would someone think or act like that? His thinking seems a bit too formulaic to be innocent. I mean, he keeps making assuptions like "at least one Nerwen-voter was probably a wolf" and "there are probably 1-2 quiet wolves". I don't like it. Also, his tone seems occasionally unbelievably unsincere, like in post 158. On the other hand, since Sally was an innocent, his post 301 looks quite innocent to me. But I still suspect him.

Volo - I can't see what's so suspicious with him. I think he seems innocent.

Macalaure - One big ARGH. Could be anything. Seems genuine but has had wolvish suspicions. I really have no clue what he is and I'm a bit worried that he's slipping under my radar for it has never happened before. But, if I had to bet, I'd still say he's innocent. Anyway, Mac, please post more!

The Might - is plain confusing.

Feanor of the Peredhil - A real enigma. I think her interactions with Greenie and her defense of morm look slightly suspicious, though. Reading what she said about morm, I think it looks like she decided to defend morm quite forcefully, because she knew he was innocent and she'd look good for defending him. On the other hand, she doesn't feel particularly wolvish and I feel my suspicions of her are all too futile to be considered seriously even by myself.

Brinniel - Seems wolvish, after all. Her first post, like I've said numerous times before, looks like one of a wolf. She agrees with everybody all the time and keeps changing her opinions in a fishy way. All in all, her posts look like doing what is the most clever thing to do in each situation and thus quite ungenuine. Also, her analysis floods are all quite indecisive. She's more vocal than usually, though, and I find it slightly improbable she would be if she was a wolf: I mean, as a wolf, I - at least - find it more difficult to come up with anything to say. But she still seems suspicious to me.

Farael – He seems very genuine and innocentish to me. The only thing I'm worried about is that no one's suspecting him and if he was a wolf, he'd really pass unnoticed...

Shastanis Althreduin – See what I said about him just a while ago. I still think that way.

Kuruharan - I really can't read him. I only feel that it'd be comnvenient of a wolf to adopt such a 100% against double-lynchings attitude.

I'm just afraid I'm trying to make things more complicated than they are and that yesterDay's disaster has caused me to be too wary of my own feelings and points. I like neither of the facts. I'm just not sure if I can trust my own reasoning and I'm afraid simple solutions aren't the correct ones.

A few more things:

I think ALG would have suspected at least one fellow wolf of hers, which leads me to believe that either Menel or Volo is a wolf. And Menel looks more wolvish of the two.

I wondered about

Originally Posted by Fea

Kath – I know I should be terrified of you, but I'm not. Why? What are you doing differently? What am I doing differently? There's something wrong here! Just to be clear: I feel like I should be suspicious because I'm always suspicious of Kath just like (and because of the same game) how I'm suspicious all the time of morm. Just to be very clear: I really have no leanings on Kath. I'd like to see more posts from her, though.

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Originally Posted by Fea

They thought Kath was a seer. Everybody else acted like I suspected normal villagers to act. She was quieter in a way that I'm not used to from her unless she's trying to avoid negative attention. She's a gutsier wolf, so when I scanned the villagers for who might be leaving us clues (or trying not to at first)... Shoot. This isn't making as much sense as I'd like and I'm running late. Basically, I think she was viewed as a seer not because of what she had to say, but because of how she was saying it. And I think at least one of the wolves must have played with Kath enough to know her styles. Or they just got mad lucky.

Usch. I really don't know what to think of this. First she notes Kath is being unnormal, then she says a wolf probably knew Kath's playing style and realised she was unnormal...

If Brinn and Menel are both wolves, hats off to them because they're doing a convincing job of looking wolvish but not looking like fellows. Brinn and Agan, on the other hand, could very well be fellows, based on the way how they interact. But Brinn and Menel, they're such enigmas. They both seem very wolvish but have innocent streaks of behaviour as well and they hardly can be both wolves. So, there's probably at least two wolves I've not paid enough attention to.

Please, Might, please stop being confusing and start talking more about your own suspicions. Otherwise my head is going to explode.

Lastly, I'd like to point out that the wolves are getting a bigger part of our village Day by Day. Soon they will be bold enough to form alliances and vote together or manipulate the village ruthlessly. We should be careful.

EDIT: xed with everything since my last post

[The Might]

I don't understand why I am confusing, Lommy.
I think that I explained myself as clear as I was able to.
I first suspected Greenie and voted for her.
Then I suspected Sally (actually that goes a bit earlier) and more or less morm. I was foolish enough to risk the double lynch and it turns out I was completely wrong.
Now I suspect those that opposed morm, and since Menel is considered by so many, well at least by quite some to be a wolf, I thought I should vote for him.

If there is anything confusing about this, then please tell me, and I will do my best to exaplain.

[Meneltarmacil]

Aaaargh. I really am stumped as to who the wolves are. Sorry that I haven't been much help.

++The Might

since I'm not a wolf and he's the only other one that looks particularly suspicious.

[Volo]

This is a bad topic so late, but I'm returning to what Kath said.

Originally Posted by Kath, underlined by me

I actually haven't had a proper look at Brinn which I wanted to do (not an analysis, she's done too many posts for that!) but I caught The Might's first post toDay and it seemed a bit overdone.

What I underlined pretty clearly says that she hadn't Dreamed of Brinn.
Might is a bit suspicious here, but I'll explain again why I think he hasn't been Dreamed of:

Originally Posted by Kath, underlined by me

I might also add Menel to that list of suspects. I know it was Kuru I was complaining about earlier but he feels like a misguided innocent to me. Menel could be too, some of his comments smack of not concentrating on the game a lot, such as his belief that Rikae is still in it, but his arguments are still ... I can't explain it, he's just not fitting right to me.

Here Menel comes as a new character into Kath's posts. That means that her suspicion on him either started on Day3 or Night3. The fact that she can't explain it and he doesn't fit right to her looks the best hint I can find. This differs from her other suspects, as there she says that she's unsure, not that she can't explain it. I won't bet my head on this, as it might be like Fea said, that Kath hadn't put hints in her posts, but the fact that Kath didn't post many posts makes me feel that she put a lot of effort into the posts she did post - adding hints.


EDIT: Xd with Brinn and Lommy.

[Aganzir]

Farael - Might
Might - Menel

9 to vote.
I checked yesterDay's votes again and Shasta had indeed voted (so no risk of modfire yet). I don't understand how I managed not to notice that as I had counted the votes myself.

I'll have to vote in 1-1,5 hours, and at the moment I'd like to vote Brinniel, as she's the one I'm most certain about.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Brinn and Agan, on the other hand, could very well be fellows, based on the way how they interact.

Could you Lommy explain this?

I'm a bit reluctant to vote Might toDay, mainly due to his last two posts. They strike me as way too sincere.

I can be terribly wrong here but anyway: I think Menel is innocent. He's been acting quite suspiciously during last Days, but I agree with Mac about his accusations of morm being too bold for a wolf. Anyway, it's just a feeling, and I will certainly reconsider it if Brinniel turned out to be innocent, which I doubt.

edit: xed with Might, whose last post is not one of those two that make me reluctant.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Anyway, Mac, please post more!

I'm working on it.

Originally Posted by the Might

If you want proof that I am not a wolf, then I shall vote for whoever is considered to be a wolf by most.

Given our inglorious track record so far, that's a rather secure statement for a wolf. No, seriously, this is very convenient since you don't have to come up with suspicions anymore, and it doesn't prove anything but your suspiciousness. No matter how bad he feels, he's clearly overplaying the "pity me"-card. The fact that he already started playing it before(!) he could have known the roles of morm and Sally makes it look even worse.

Originally Posted by the Might

As already said in the first post, if voting Menel or anyone else will help you believe me, then I am willing to.

Evidence B: Sneakily shifts from voting for whoever seems most suspicious to specifically bringing in Menel's name, who I happen to think to be innocent. Later he votes him. If he turns out innocent, he won't be to blame of course, since he only voted him because everybody else found him so suspicious.


The Might, I see that being suspected isn't easy for you. It's not always easy for everybody, especially when the accusations are valid. However, if you're evil, you knew that this was going to happen eventually, and if you're innocent, keep in mind that as many innocents as villains are lynched - it's just a part of the game, as is being terribly wrong with what you write and do. Don't take it to heart that much.


Volo's "morm should have told us" seems incredibly fake to me. No, he shouldn't have!
-It was not certain whether he would be lynched.
-There was no way he could have proved it.
-The night after he would be dead for certain.
-A wolf about to be lynched might do it hoping to get some reaction from the real ranger for his surviving.

Even though you explained it, Volo, your mixing up of the suspicion of Lommy points towards somebody who doesn't actually care who he is suspecting. I agree that, if Menel is a wolf, then Volo is most likely innocent. But keep in mind that this holds the other way around, too.


Somehow, I feel like I'm focusing on the Might and Volo too much.


About Kath's dreams: She probably dreamt of Lommy and most probably of morm. I'm quite sure of Lommy's innocence now anyway, even independent of Kath. The third, I think, was some innocent who hasn't been suspected a lot, therefore she didn't feel the need to talk about him/her.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Farael

For the time being, I still think Sally is just awfully suspicious and that we should lynch her

I can't help but agree. A great deal because of this post:

Originally Posted by Sally

Perhaps we shall see my friend, perhaps we shall see.

No totally kidding. I just meant that no matter WHO got lynched, regardless of whether it was me or someone else, lynching more than one person was a bad plan. Sorry for the confusion. Or am I?

Really, it strikes me as odd that an innocent this far into the game would intentionally create chaos like this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Crossed with Sally.

[expression of malcontent]

[The Might]

Thanks Volo, the list is quite useful.

About Sally, if I were her I would make a post to try and defend and maybe explain my decisions and actions more clearly. Because all the explanations have, at least in my case, only managed to make me more confused and suspicious.

This last "we shall see" is not what I would expect from an ordo. This lack of arguments makes me think she's a wolf that finds it difficult to get out of this difficult situation.
I mean, were she an ordo, which I for now doubt, I would expect some more defensiveness...

[The Might]

Oh man, all this posting is going tooo fast!

Anyway, just cross-posted with a lot, probably will with this post as well...I mean I somehow manage to confuse everyone unintetionally pretty much every first day...but Sally seems to try.

The question for me is what does she want to achieve as an innocent?
Because if she turns out to be an innocent, I shall be very, very, very disappointed with the playing style as it's pretty much cobblerish and not helping us at all. She simply can't be an ordo...

[Volo]

Like I've said it before, I feel that Sally is a Wolf. Reasons:

Originally Posted by Volo

Sally: Now she sure hunts morm! She constantly flirts with the idea of being a Wolf, which seems like something a Wolf wouldn't do, but it's driving me crazy. I'm capable of imagining a Wolf who does that, even a newbie Wolf - no, especially a newbie Wolf. Sally appologised that she wouldn't be productive, and truly, she hasn't been productive. I'm thinking of she might be a Wolf who thinks of being very far from being lynched - there's not enough try there, as if her appologisive tone is an excuse for just being around.
The more I read her posts, the more I feel that that's our Wolf.

And besides she doesn't seem to be sad at all for not being productive, on the contry she smiles a lot and I have a feeling that she simply doesn't care for the survival of the Village.

What I don't want is a bandwagon starting from the very morning, because the earlier we vote the less of the Day we use to discuss things.

And like I've said before, morm has been targeted by both Lily (Kuru has it here.) and Sally (I mean her constant suspicion and votes) in rather wierd situations.


I found a little more:
Lily's post about The Might doesn't look like something about a Wolf partner. It is more like "trying too hard" to look helpful to me.
The Might rises higher on my Innocent list.

Aganzir suspects Lily quite strongly here. Again, I don't feel a Wolf partner would have done that to a friend so early. I seem to recall that this is the strongest suspicion on Lily on Day1. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Aganzir stayes high and Innocent.


I have very little clue of who might be the fourth Wolf if I'm right about Sally and morm. Probably not Fea. I'd say Menel or Farael, but I'll not get too certain about it.

It's late and I should go to sleep. Xd with everything since #285.