TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Thinlómien]

Lottie doesn’t approve of Nog’s unoriginal random vote rant (#34). Later, she argues about random- vote rants with him (#83). Later, she makes a clarification about this to G55 (#95).

Pitch discusses the acolyte with Nog (#38). Later, he defends himself rather sharply against his accusations (#75). Defends/clarifies Lottie to him in (#77).

Legate makes a list and is not worried about Nog who looks like his “classic self” (#44). He also defends his and Nog’s random vote rants in relation to Bom’s vote (#117). He “thanks” Nog for bringing up G55’s name in the lynch discussion (#125).

Lommy wonders about Legate and Nog echoing her random vote rant (#51). In a list, she says he looks like “typical innocent Nogrod, almost too much so” (#57). Agrees and disagrees with his attack on G55 (#126).

Boro defends himself against Nog (#76).

Pom loves Nog’s phrasing and thinks he looks genuine despite a style she’s not familiar with (#80). Clarifies this later upon request (#131).

Shasta calls an early post of Nog’s well-written but empty (#109). Next, he disagrees with Nog’s defense of G55’s emotinal outburst and calls Nog’s behaviour in the issue a red flag. He thinks Nog is very unlike himself and thus suspicious, and he also talks about him/ replies to him about a few other things (all of this in #110). Makes a list and has Nog leaning guilty, admittedly mostly because of his relation with G55 (#112).

No mention about Nog: Greenie and Sally.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Pom

Greenie: What happened to your vote-analysis?

Err - it kind of died. Meaning, I didn't have the time for it yesterDay after all, and woke up a bit too late to do it toDay. Now halfway through a Pitchalysis, hope to finish at least that before DL!

[Thinlómien]

Oops, thanks to Greenie next to me on the sofa, I just realised there's just one more hour until the DL. I'll try to finish my analysis but also keep an eye on the current situation. Seems pretty sure either Legate or Shasta's going to die toDay and I'm not sure how I feel about it... maybe it will at least clarify stuff.

edit: xed with embarrassed Greenie and the Empress's ghost

[A Little Green]

PITCHWIFE

Day 1

- acolyte speculation
- more acolyte speculation; comments on the Zil-Legate-issue in some length but says both look innocent; more or less frowns at Steve for doing the exact same thing he himself does in this post:

I don't like how people regurgitate it now and pile onto an easy suspicion (people meaning Rikae and Eönwë - especially Eönwë who complains about 'people' [no names given] 'bandwaggoning on that discussion' while doing it himself).

- thinks Gal's outburst against Rikae feels genuine; further commentary on the Legate-Zil-issue
- disagrees with Nog and tries to clear up some confusion between Lottie and Lommy about some post of Zil's:

No, what Lottie is saying is that Zil's post that followed hers didn't have anything to do with her poke/attack/whateveryouwannacallit, unlike Lommy had supposed.

FWIW, I was mildly annoyed by Lottie's failure to get my sarcasm, but I didn't think of it as an "attack" until Lommy, ironically, blew it up into one.

In which way would you say has Lottie acted like a bold wolf? I fail to see where she's done anything particularly bold yet.

Quite a lot of concentration on Lottie in this one.

- Disagrees with Eonwe about Zil-Legate-issue; defends Zil; votes Eonwe:

No, it doesn't, but poking someone again and again over a point so you can then complain that he's "reiterating his side" and starting a pointless discussion doesn't look particularly innocent either. OK, Legate did the poking and you the complaining, but you're using the controversy between them to paint Zil as suspicious by blaming the whole controversy on him, while it took two to keep it going. If you think this is misrepresenting you, so be it, but it's the best I have toDay.

++ Eönwë

In other news, I'm not happy with Bom's Nilp-vote, quite happy with Lottie's rant defending herself against Nog, a little puzzled by this sudden Lommywagon, and too pressed for time to make up my mind about the rest. Á vala Melkor!

Day 2

Three of us dead already, and the hunter among them? Blargh.

I always mistrust comments like this; just doesn't look genuine to me.

- complains about Bom-lynch and accuses Nog and Legate (and Lommy) of hypocrisy
- finds Rikae's hunter hint of ”logical” and ”made himself a target”; thinks Inzil was Rikae's likeliest pick and therefore probably innocent; confused about wabbits and coyotes
- says it matters whether the Bomwagon was initiated by Nog or Shasta
- further comments on Nog and Legate's hypocrisy re. Bom, is willing to excuse Lommy because she was under threat of lynching
- turns from Nog to Eonwe:

Eönwë's analysis of evil!Nogrod as the orchestrator of the Bomwagon would be a lot more convincing if he hadn't voted Bom himself, dropping all his prior suspicions; pointing the finger at Nog now and saying "He made me do it!" is a bit rich, isn't it? I was rather suspicious of Nog myself early in the Day, but this actually makes me doubt it.

- argues with Nog a bit:

Try to make up your mind whether I'm being "wise with hindsight", as you said earlier, or had wolvish knowledge in advance, will you? And if you think the latter, then say it instead of just throwing insinuating coughs my way.

- further disagrees with Nog about hunter hints
- reaction to Eonwe's reveal:

Oops, that changes things quite a bit. I'm trusting Eönwë's dream - in part because it explains the single-minded, aggressive way he's gone after Nog toDay, but mostly because it would be suicide for him if Nog turned out innocent, and I know he's too clever for that.

That said, I don't see Legate's initial reluctance to fall out of his chair trusting Eönwë as suspicious, but rather a point in his favour. Has everybody forgotten that for all we know, the Acolyte may get dreams as well and, whether xe works with the wolves or on their own, is by all evidence not on our side?

That's not saying Eönwë can't be our genuine seer, of course, but the possibility that he's something else should at least be considered - unless of course you know he's not the Acolyte; which makes me have worrisome thoughts about Zil's eagerness to accept his reveal.

But whatever Eönwë is, it doesn't change the fact that he'd be mad to claim a false dream. Therefore, for toDay:

++Nog

Day 3

- tries to make Inzil see that it's understandable that people see him as the acolyte; dislikes Shasta's idea of killing the suspected acolyte Zil
- disagrees with Shasta about whether Eonwe was under sufficient suspicion for his reveal to be justifiable (being of the opinion that the reveal was reasonable in that situation)
- says it looks like Legate is trying to deflect suspicion of himself onto Shasta
- says Sally is being reasonable but playing with the acolyte role
- reaction to Inzil's innocence:

Thank you, that simplifies things.

But tell me one thing: if you already dreamed Nog on Night 1 and knew from the beginning that he was a wolf, why on Earth did you join his and Shasta's "lynch Bom" initiative?

I fully understand that you didn't attack him on Day 1, but to actually vote with a known wolf against an unknown?

Conclusions?
A lot of what Pitch has been doing has been clarifying things and trying to settle conflicts. But for all that, he's been quite sharp and his reactions to the reveals (first Nog, then Inzil) look innocentish to me. What has ben called his "moral highground" re. Bom-lynch could easily be a Pitchwolf smelling easy cannon-fodder, though.
Still, my overall feeling is leaning more innocent than not.

[A Little Green]

Boro - Half the time, I'm convinced he's evil; the other half, I'm convinced he's innocent. I still seem to recall something about Nog's wolvery making him look good, but I've no idea what that was! And, sadly, no time to check.

Sally - I don't remember much of who she's suspected (except for her summary of suspecting all the gifteds and one wolf); voted Eonwe Day 1 and Nog Day 2, I don't remember her reasons for voting Eonwe and again, no time to check. I like that she's getting into more of a serious mode, but I still don't have a read on her.

Shasta - I already said this, but he'd have to be totally insane to try all he's trying as a wolf. Just - totally insane. I don't want to lynch him toDay.

Nate - I'd love to take a better look at her, actually. She's sharp and nice, but a wolf can be both of those, too. The only thing I remember clearly is her pretty consistent pursuit of Legate; a bit too consistent and serious for wolf-on-wolf, methinks, so if Legate turns out evil Nate will look better.

Pitchwife - Going through his posts made me feel pretty good about him.

Lottie - Completely under my radar, actually! Which is pretty alarming. Will definitely take a look at her toMorrow.

Lommy! - I'm feeling rather good about her, too; definitely leaning innocent.

Legate - He's just - off the wall. Really. If he isn't a wolf, I bet he's making them really happy at the moment. I think he might be our best bet toDay - he's a likely wolf candidate, and in any case if he isn't lynched toDay he's likely to be the topic of all discussion toMorrow too.

Steve and Inzil don't get on the list. Sorry, sweeties.


EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Nerwen]

Fifteen minutes.

[Nerwen]

The votes:

Lottie ––> Legate
Inzil ––> Shasta
Sally ––> Legate (2)
Shasta ––> Legate (3)
Legate ––> Shasta (2)
Pom ––> Legate (4)
Steve ––> Shasta (3)
Greenie ––> Legate (5)
Pitch ––> Legate (6)

[Boromir88]

Ok then, Lets do this.

++Legate

Edit: crossed with Lommy and Eonwe

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Pitch

I'm genuinely puzzled by him, because honestly, the way he's played doesn't make much sense either for an innocent Legate or for a wolf-Legate, but all in all, he does look more bad than good.

Which is more or less spot-on what I feel. But since I think he's a better choice than Shasta, and since bringing in a third candidate (and who would that be, anyway?) at this point would be insane considering the risk of a double-lynch, I think I'll have to go with

++ Legate


EDIT: x-ed with Steve and the esteemed mod-goddess

[A Little Green]

Legate 5, Shasta 3, right?


EDIT: x-ed with Pitch, whih makes it Legate 6 and Shasta 3 if I'm correct

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Legate 5, Shasta 3, right?


EDIT: x-ed with Pitch, whih makes it Legate 6 and Shasta 3 if I'm correct

Yes, with apparently Lommy and I left, I believe. Shasta appears not to be here.

[Pomegranate]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Which is more or less spot-on what I feel. But since I think he's a better choice than Shasta, and since bringing in a third candidate (and who would that be, anyway?) at this point would be insane considering the risk of a double-lynch, I think I'll have to go with

++ Legate


EDIT: x-ed with Steve and the esteemed mod-goddess

Actually, my thoughts exactly. Including the comment on the quote. Weird, as I said. But we will see I guess.

xed with Legate

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pom

The Captain Obvious here? If she isn’t a wolf, here is a good reason why the wolves realised to kill G55. Did she want to get Gal lynched so that they wouldn’t need to kill her at night? Or was she just so ignorant? (I could've been this ignorant, but Lommy said herself she's trying to avoid this) It's hard for me to believe that she didn't realise the option of Gal being the captain while writing the post. On the other hand, if she was a wolf, it would feel weird she decided to emphasise these two points which actually meant something else, instead of all the various other things she could've pointed out about Gal.

What do you mean? The mindset thing? That could only mean wolf or seer, and I wasn't especially concerned about her being the seer. (It's kind of ironic you raise this point against me since I almost got lynched on Day1 because of my wishy-washy suspicions - they were wishy-washy because I was afraid of suspecting the gifted. Didn't succeed very well in that though!) If you mean dying during the Night, the Ranger can count less in her own survival than anyone else, given that she cannot be protected.

Originally Posted by Pom

Lommy: I raised a point against Nog exactly once.

True. But you also pointed out stuff about him more than once, such as "Nogrod is playing differently than last time I played with him", always without concluding whether it's suspicious or not. That's what caught my eye.

Originally Posted by Pom

It is not seen here, but I kept pursuing Legate at the same time.

Yes, fair enough, but that was not what I was looking at.

Originally Posted by Boro, underlining mine to indicate what I'm replying to

I understand not wanting to focus on Shasta today, and I don't plan to, I just wanted to comment on this. Because Shasta is my top suspect, and I can't see how what happened yesterday effects what I should think about Shasta.

Also, Lommy, you're looking at Shasta through very narrow-minded glasses. You're looking at him based on interactions with Nogrod, and not at the whole picture. Shasta's actions through the entire game have been suspect, to say the least. Sure, he might be brazen and bold, but don't let the personality get in the way of what he's done so far, and what he would have the village do. He says that he feels I bussed Nog's lynch, well...

Shasta, bussed Bom's lynched. Wanted to bus Inzil (who he "suspected" as the acolyte, when there was little reason to feel the acolyte was an immediate threat) along with the known wolf Nog. And he continued to push for the acolyte's lynch yesterday, until getting frustrated by all the suspicion and leaving. Remove the personality from the equation, because it's not like you can't be brazen and a wolf . Look at the intentions and the results.

So, are you suggesting we just drop and let Shasta off the hook?

Boro - of course I was looking through narrow-minded glasses! All that post was based on how people interacted with Nogrod, that was the poiny. If not, I would have found Pitchie, Lottie and Shasta all more suspicious. You can't discount anyone (except Zil ) at this point of the game. And yes, I'm suggesting to let Shasta (and Pitchwife) off the hook toDay (not infinitely) because their interaction with Nog make them less likely wolves and we need to catch one toDay. Even if I was wrong and Shasta was a wolf, there's still two of them out there.


edit: xed with Zil and Pitch

[Pitchwife]

Lommy, sinceyou quote Pom quoting that post from you about G55 from Day 1, let me ask you: did you never write an analysis or something during the Night phase in order to post it on the next Day, not knowing whether you'd be alive to do so?

I'm asking because this point you made against G55 (that she couldn't be sure she'd be alive unless she was a wolf etc.) seemed horribly constructed to me at the time, but it got buried under other matters and I forgot to comment on it.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Lommy, sinceyou quote Pom quoting that post from you about G55 from Day 1, let me ask you: did you never write an analysis or something during the Night phase in order to post it on the next Day, not knowing whether you'd be alive to do so?

I'm asking because this point you made against G55 (that she couldn't be sure she'd be alive unless she was a wolf etc.) seemed horribly constructed to me at the time, but it got buried under other matters and I forgot to comment on it.

I once made some points in my head and wrote them down so I could post them the next Day, and got killed of course. After that, no. It's not necessarily just that I don't want to gamble on being alive, it might also be laziness: when I'm an ordo, I gladly take the Nights as my days off from the game and continue thinking in the next Day phase. Anyway, my suspicion of people who write analyses overNight is not just because I don't do it myself, but also because in one early game I played, a wolf was caught precisely because of her (I think it was Brinniel) certainity of being alive the next Day.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I once made some points in my head and wrote them down so I could post them the next Day, and got killed of course. After that, no. It's not necessarily just that I don't want to gamble on being alive, it might also be laziness: when I'm an ordo, I gladly take the Nights as my days off from the game and continue thinking in the next Day phase. Anyway, my suspicion of people who write analyses overNight is not just because I don't do it myself, but also because in one early game I played, a wolf was caught precisely because of her (I think it was Brinniel) certainity of being alive the next Day.

I usually don't do much at Nights myself as an ordo, but last game I wrote a lengthy analysis of Shasta the very Night I was killed; so from my perspective, G55 didn't even have to be sure she'd be alive, she just had not to have a reason to expect that she specifically would die that Night. Apparently your mileage varies.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I usually don't do much at Nights myself as an ordo, but last game I wrote a lengthy analysis of Shasta the very Night I was killed; so from my perspective, G55 didn't even have to be sure she'd be alive, she just had not to have a reason to expect that she specifically would die that Night. Apparently your mileage varies.

I never do, not because I'm particulary worried about being axed at night, but because I don't know how the night death will effect my opinions going into the next day. Also, I like seeing/weighing reactions to the night death from people before doing anything else.

My guess though is this is something that varies from person to person, whether someone does or doesn't isn't in anyway a solid reason for suspicion. It may raise some red flags on someone as in..."Wait if you were so sure you were going to be alive...? = wolfy." But it's still a personal judgement call and I would prefer not to get into "What is this person thinking when they assume to be alive next day and write a post during a night?" That's making things way too complicated for yourself.

[Pomegranate]

On Boro being nice to me - until today (as I mentioned before) everyone has been nice to me. I can't answer to that. And me playing cautiously, Lottie: Look at yourself. I have at least thrown some suspicions (Legate, Nog, I guestioned Shasta, just now I'm having problems with Lommy and - let's face it, yourself (though I hate suspecting people right after they have suspected me, I agree with Pitch - I had forgotten Lottie's existence, and looked through her).

So, Lottie's posts from yesterday.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I actually thought this was a good point. The way I see it, there are only four reasons why the Acolyte killed Eruhen.

Option A: The Acolyte is a were-bear and kills every Night. This was proved false by the lack of a kill last Night.

Option B1: The Acolyte is a type of were-bear that kills every so often and wants the village (and spies) to all die. This is possible, and the only possible option where the Acolyte is definitively evil.

Option B2: The Acolyte still kills every so often, but xe doesn't necessarily want the village to all die. Xe killed Eruhen because xe thought Eruhen was a spy, and used his "every so often" kill to take out a potential spy, but was mistaken.

Option C: The Acolyte took the role of the person xe killed, and is now an ordo.

I won't go so far as to say it's more likely that the Acolyte isn't necessarily on our side, but it's not impossible, so I'm definitely not comfortable with writing the Acolyte off as evil as a matter of course.

(On acolyte killing Eru - no opinions on who's suspicious etc.)

Originally Posted by Loslote

After Legate's weird flip-out over Steve not revealing the Ordo yesterDay, and his dogged (and, as it seems to me at least, flimsy and grasping-at-strawsy) pursuit of Shasta (who's seemed logical and genuine, if not always right, to me this whole game), I'm very much inclined to vote him toDay. Pitchie also seems off to me, but I'm less convinced of his guilt than of Legate's.

Obviously Steve is innocent, but Lommy, Sally, and Nate also seem pretty good to me, and I'm leaning innocent on Boro, Shasta, and Zil (though hardly definitively yet!). I have no read whatsoever on Greenie, and if there's anyone else playing, I've gotten so little a read on them that I've forgotten them entirely.

Obviously, this means that one of the people in my second category are evil. For now I'm thinking it'd be more likely to be Boro and Shasta - I'm more confident about the first three I mentioned, and Zil and Greenie, for some reason, don't strike me as all that evil this game (of course, they also don't strike me as all that innocent, but that's why they're in the categories they're in).

Following with everyone else suspecting Legate, and giving vague hints about Pitch. Everyone else seems more or less innocent.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'd be willing to consider the option of a Legate-Shasta-?Pitch? pack, at any rate.

EDIT: xed with a bunch

Originally Posted by Loslote

It would be insanely bold, but whoever survived would look very good. How much did Shasta suspect Legate before toDay? It could be the wolves decided that, since Legate was likely to be lynched for his suspicious reaction to Steve's dream, Shasta might as well come out of it looking very good.

Now, I'm not saying that this is necessarily what I think, but it is a possiblity I'm considering.

EDIT: xed with Legate

I'm sorry, who's careful? "I'm not saying that this is necessarily what I think"?

Originally Posted by Loslote

I've got to vote early, so I'll go ahead and

++Legate

For the reasons stated in my earlier post, especially his reaction to Steve's reveal. Good lynching, everyone!

I'm not comfortable, not at all. This to me seems like "I'm here, I'm saying something, but I'm not actually saying anything too much. Nothing that would in any case link me to anyone, anywhere."

Also, what was that change of opinion of Shasta mid-post? You started with "(who's seemed logical and genuine, if not always right, to me this whole game)" and ended up with putting him as the most probable of the innocent-group of yours to be a wolf. I'd say most probably you just had to figure out a reason to suspect Legate, so that you wouldn't seem you're just following others. But tell us, what were you thinking?

x/ed with Greenie and Boro

[Pomegranate]

Lommy, I agree I was vague. To clarify: On point 1, it's bad for both gifteds and wolves alike to seem suspicious, and coming up with a point against someone out of nowhere (as in, a point that hasn't been vocalised before, even if you have had it in your mind) does easily seem such. Point is, gifteds do have a reason to be self-conscious. On point 2: In fact, the Ranger in this game can protect herself (go check the admin thread if you want to - I did). I don't know if Gal did so, but she had the possibility to know she was to survive a night kill attempt.

x/ed with Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pom

On point 1, it's bad for both gifteds and wolves alike to seem suspicious, and coming up with a point against someone out of nowhere (as in, a point that hasn't been vocalised before, even if you have had it in your mind) does easily seem such. Point is, gifteds do have a reason to be self-conscious.

I agree that gifteds don't want to seem suspicious, but unlike the seer and the hunter, in normal conditions the ranger has no special reason to watch whom she suspects aloud. So given that I knew Gal wasn't the hunter and thought she wasn't the seer, her keeping so much track on what she had said instead of what she had thought made me immediately alarmed.

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

On point 2: In fact, the Ranger in this game can protect herself (go check the admin thread if you want to - I did). I don't know if Gal did so, but she had the possibility to know she was to survive a night kill attempt.

In that case, it's my mistake. I assumed she can't, as usual, and obviously didn't pay enough attention to the rules. (I'm sorry, I hate it when people don't read the rules and justify their actions based on that.)


PS. Also if you are a wolf, this:

Originally Posted by Pom

If she [me] isn’t a wolf, here is a good reason why the wolves realised to kill G55.

literally makes me hit my head with stuff.

[A Little Green]

A quick summary of Boro; banter (not that there really was that), "I'm here" -posts, and the like excluded. Italicized parts are commentary.

Day 1

- attempts to settle heated feelings between Gal and Rikae; Gal's reaction to Rikae suspicious anyway
- not happy about my vote for him but doesn't find it suspicious; slightly defends Lommy from Gal (who suspected her based on her excessive use of the word 'weird'); disagrees with Nog and further argues his suspicion of Gal
- clarifies Nate's ww background for Legate, compliments her and tells himself to refrain from doing that (after being suspected for being too nice by, I think, at least myself and Legate)

Day 2

- ”not happy with what's going on with Eruhen/Acolyte stuff”; speculates about Rikae's death: ”Wolves saw Rikae as a threat/gifted and as a means to manipulate the suspicions/lynch today.”; feels a lot better about Gal, suspects Nog for his unusual hesitancy to take the lead; Pitch, Lommy and Lottie make him wary, promises to elaborate
- clarifies his point about Rikae; elaborates on Pitch, saying his uneasiness has to do with Pitch's scolding re Bom-lynch; slightly defends the reasoning behind the lynch; says he would have voted Gal but wouldn't have been opposed to lynching Bom
- says a wolf-Steve wouldn't gain much by accusing Nog so strongly; further discusses Nog's role in the Bomwagon
- thinks Pitch's explanation of his post on the Bom-lynch looks fine; disagrees with Legate about himself acting polished; says he's ”even more conflicted about Nogrod”, though most of the posts he quotes when elaborating on this he concludes are looking bad
- (after the reveal) says he's amused by Nog's desperate actions; votes Nog

Day 3

- ”Lovely, now the ranger.”

I've said it before, comments like this always make me wary, but this one isn't as bad as most, I suppose.

- suspects Shasta based on his reaction to his (Boro's) vote, says it's common knowledge he has no problem with busing his fellows (a hilarious comment if he's a wolf, btw!); says there's an acolyte-focus similarity between Nog and Shasta
- argues with Shasta about Nog's behaviour the previous Day in considerable length, and about whether or not it was necessary for Steve to reveal
- agrees with Zil about not concentrating on the acolyte
- thinks his disagreement with Shasta re. Acolyte may be a difference of playing style/point of view
- tries to calm me and Lommy down

For the record, I wasn't really angry, just a bit annoyed, and confused more than that; and Lommy's frustration had more to do with Nog's laptop deleting her post than with the game...

- says Nate has to look twenty times more suspicious to get off his ”smart, sharp player” -list

Lottie commented on this one earlier; I don't think he necessarily meant it'd have to wait until next game, but I do think writing her off as innocent and not reconsidering since is pretty odd for Boro. And actually, added to this I find it interesting that in his apology of not being himself Day 1 he says something about "why Pom and others likely noticed it wasn't my usual self"; yes, there were others, so why is Pom the one you remembered? Could be random, could not be, I honestly don't know.

- says he's had too much of Legate and Shasta for one day and would be willing to lynch either or both of them
- clarifies that the double-lynch idea wasn't serious; mentions possible trios of Legate-Lottie-Shasta and Lommy-Sally-Shasta

Actually, Boro, the names of Lommy and Lottie keep coming up, first on Day 2, then yesterDay; care to share why the two of them? And why Sally? Why those trios?

- (at almost deadline) wonders where Shasta is; ”Ok then, let's do this.”; votes Legate

Day 4

- criticizes Lommy for wanting to let Shasta off the hook though agrees with her that he shouldn't be the sole focus toDay; continues his case on Shasta
- defends his Legate-vote (despite his focus on Shasta) by saying he was suspicious of Legate but didn't speak a lot about it because he didn't have anything new to add, focused on Shasta because he thought there wasn't enough focus on him; says again he's going to keep Shasta as his top suspect but drop that discussion – and adds another point to it.


Overall?
- Especially in the beginning of the game, but also later, he's more than once taken up a role of clarifying misunderstandings and trying to calm people down
- Suspected Nog rather heavily already before Steve revealed
- Has a connection with Nate, I think
- ToDay, has kept saying he'll leave off Shasta, and doesn't

So - wolf or not? It probably doesn't come as a surprise when I say it could go either way; I'm having a bad feeling about him right now, but my gut has fooled me before. Any arguments against him are really rather weak if considered logically, but when has a Borowolf last blundered enough to allow strong arguments against him, anyway? Not sure if that makes sense, but to me it does. Just - bad gut-feeling, from reading his posts. His suspicion of Nog is a point in his favour, though (even if, knowing those two, they could totally pull off something like that as fellow wolves).


EDIT: x-ed with Lommy, Nate, another Lommy, and Pitch