Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Game Thread

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Which actually does give me a potential 3rd "Wolf Plan": deliberately sacrificing one of their NON-NW members. It would be both bolder and more cunning than killing off the NW, but it would also provide far better cover AND puts someone into the Dead thread early when one vote messing with the Medium's vote is of greater value.

That's a good one! You're proving against your explicit points by your deeds Form. I think you are already doing something useful.

Originally Posted by Suicidal Tendencies

the Nightmare Wolf would have to consider whether using their abilities earlier is worth losing access to their packmates' minds.

If I read the rules correctly, there is no choice like that. The NW will continue discussing with her mates from beyond the grave. So dying only opens the weapon for her and takes away nothing (but lowers the lycan numbers by one).

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If I read the rules correctly, there is no choice like that. The NW will continue discussing with her mates from beyond the grave. So dying only opens the weapon for her and takes away nothing (but lowers the lycan numbers by one).

That's a negative.

Werewolves (4)- choose 1 person every night to kill until the number of villagers equals their own. They can communicate privately during the NIGHT phase. Living wolves can not privately communicate with dead wolves, or vice versa. [The Rules, emphasis mine]

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Nilp

That's a negative.

Was about to say the same. The rules state at least three times that the Dead wolves can't talk to the Living. They're pretty clear.

So, Nog, how did you misread that?

hS

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Was about to say the same. The rules state at least three times that the Dead wolves can't talk to the Living. They're pretty clear.

So, Nog, how did you misread that?

hS

In the spirit of later Days... could be a non-wolf getting confused by the bit in the rules saying that all dead wolves can communicate OR a Wolf laying down some hopeful misdirection. On the basis of no info at all, I lean to toward the former.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Was about to say the same. The rules state at least three times that the Dead wolves can't talk to the Living. They're pretty clear.

So, Nog, how did you misread that?

hS

Because he's an Ordo and that part of the rule book doesn't apply to him.

On the other hand, I'm a nasty carnivore with suicidal tendencies and should therefore read those parts more carefully.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Because he's an Ordo and that part of the rule book doesn't apply to him.

I mean, if I was going to write 'If I read the rules correctly', I'd at least glance at them to see what it was I was claiming to have read correctly. (Not sure if Nog's was a present or past tense 'read'; I assumed the former at first, but it seems you might be assuming the latter.) If he didn't, it would be nice to hear why not.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

On the other hand, I'm a nasty carnivore with suicidal tendencies and should therefore read those parts more carefully.

(People are right; you've got great cover if you're a wolf.)

hS

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by hS

I mean, if I was going to write 'If I read the rules correctly', I'd at least glance at them to see what it was I was claiming to have read correctly.

I checked it then just because I had the feeling Nilp claimed it wrong. I checked it now once more. Well, I see...

Originally Posted by The Rules

-Other dead werewolves can communicate privately with the NW during the NIGHT phase to help determine a victim (or that there is no victim that night)

Just somehow managed to miss / ignore that quite important word "dead" from there... twice (when I read the rules before the game and when checking Nilp's claim).

[Rikae]

Seems like a strange discussion to be having on the heels of a game where a seer, a cobbler, and a seer-hinting wolf were all leaving intentional trails on Day 1 and the latter two attracted attention by doing so (albeit confused attention).

Is it ever scientific? Is it scientific late in the game when people track down wolves by cross-referenckng voter, death & suspicion lists? Context still matters. There's still a qualitative element to it, looking at posts, tone, hints, interactions. All that's happening from day 1: it's impossible to post without leaving a trail of some kind, and not posting long enough is evidence, too. Sounds silly, but without day 1 there is no day 2. You'd have a kill with no leads, essentially, just a smaller village with nothing to go on.

The baseline is the sum of all that player's past behavior, the other players, the entire history of barrowdowns werewolf, the platonic ideal of a post, meta stuff (even if we try to avoid it it flavors banter) etc. For instance, "Nilp always Nilps" or "Rikae firmly believes you can catch wolves by analyzing posts".

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Rikae

The baseline is the sum of all that player's past behavior, the other players, the entire history of barrowdowns werewolf, the platonic ideal of a post, meta stuff (even if we try to avoid it it flavors banter) etc. For instance, "Nilp always Nilps" or "Rikae firmly believes you can catch wolves by analyzing posts".

Perhaps we should play a game where self-voting is banned and then watch the Nilp-plosion.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Kath

Perhaps we should play a game where self-voting is banned and then watch the Nilp-plosion.

Sally already modded a game where she told me I can't vote for myself.

No points for guessing what I did.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Was about to say the same. The rules state at least three times that the Dead wolves can't talk to the Living. They're pretty clear.

So, Nog, how did you misread that?

hS

Very "a-HA!" of you. Hmm.