Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-13-2020, 01:34 PM

That's an honest question, by the way, because I can't see what they could know that we don't. They were right on Lhuna yesterday, sure, but they aren't - can't be - infallible.

Inziladun · 05-13-2020, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That's an honest question, by the way, because I can't see what they could know that we don't. They were right on Lhuna yesterday, sure, but they aren't - can't be - infallible.

Indeed. Unless Huey and Lhuna have been careless, the QT mainly has to work with what we have here.

x/d with Lottie

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-13-2020, 01:46 PM

A couple of comments on stuff that has been said today.

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And by the way, I still maintain that them dropping off the Brinn vote as soon as the innocent majority took over is a point in Brinn's favour. The innocents in the qt thread have read what lead to Huine and Gal picking Brinn for the second Day in a row, and they're in a much better position to judge Brinn's connection to Huine than we are.

I have long maintained my suspicion of Brinn, but Lommy makes a good point here. Though taking recent events into consideration I would like to stress that an innocent QT thread is clearly quite capable of mistakes.

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Also, generally, I'm not sure actually sure if the Kit discussion is actually as suspicious people make it sound (I know there have been mixed opinions on this). Harmful to the village, yes, but suspicious? I'm not so sure. Other than Zil who first pointed it out (which may have been in attempt to lure how out more if he's evil), discussion of something that looks weird seems more likely to be something innocent would do, because wolves know that any kind of slip by a non-wolf is not a wolf-slip (and thus a gifted-slip), and have the Night to discuss it.

Except that Lhuna, one of the key people involved in that discussion has just turned out to be a wolf. So if you're thinking Inzil could be a wolf trying to lure people out, and then there's Lhuna who was a wolf, then that discussion is absolutely a source of suspicion.

I love this bit from Kath. Eönwë is once again taking a weird stance regarding Kitana, and she rightly points out the flaw in his argument. This and his continued suspicion of her is very peculiar indeed.

Eönwë · 05-13-2020, 02:41 PM

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Also, generally, I'm not sure actually sure if the Kit discussion is actually as suspicious people make it sound (I know there have been mixed opinions on this). Harmful to the village, yes, but suspicious? I'm not so sure. Other than Zil who first pointed it out (which may have been in attempt to lure how out more if he's evil), discussion of something that looks weird seems more likely to be something innocent would do, because wolves know that any kind of slip by a non-wolf is not a wolf-slip (and thus a gifted-slip), and have the Night to discuss it.

Except that Lhuna, one of the key people involved in that discussion has just turned out to be a wolf. So if you're thinking Inzil could be a wolf trying to lure people out, and then there's Lhuna who was a wolf, then that discussion is absolutely a source of suspicion.

I love this bit from Kath. Eönwë is once again taking a weird stance regarding Kitana, and she rightly points out the flaw in his argument. This and his continued suspicion of her is very peculiar indeed.

I have a very strong feeling that wolves might attempt to use this as a way to brush potential wolf-slips under the carpet - if it seems like something that could possibly be a gifted slip, it is ignored. Obviously this does protect the gifteds, but is it worth it to just ignore possible wolves hiding among us? I don't know. I know part of why I hopped on the Huey-waggon was his slip. And Kit's was clearly pretty Rangery, but that isn't always the case. If people are too concerned to point something out, wolves get a free pass where they shouldn't.

Eönwë · 05-13-2020, 02:44 PM

Part of me feels like the reactionary Zil-waggon is something that was prepared by the wolves to break out at a time of need (though obviously not all Zil-voters are going to be evil), but another part of me is still suspicious of him and curious to know what his role is.

Eönwë · 05-13-2020, 02:45 PM

There's also the unlikely but possible scenario that they're both evil and the wolves are trying to work out who to throw under the bus (there are only 3 now, so it's presumably harder to steer/orchestrate a waggon, especially with the counteracting force of the QT)

Loslote · 05-13-2020, 02:47 PM

Well, it's Zil then. I hope you were a wolf. I'm not sure how I feel about the people who voted for Zil early, though. Seems like an easy vote on a Day when a lot of people had much stronger suspicions.

Thinlómien · 05-13-2020, 02:52 PM

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Well, it's Zil then. I hope you were a wolf. I'm not sure how I feel about the people who voted for Zil early, though. Seems like an easy vote on a Day when a lot of people had much stronger suspicions.

To be fair, that was Kath and Greenie who have both repeatedly stated their reasons for suspecting Inzil and been at it for a while.

Yeah, I'm feeling a bit worried now, for all my suspicion of Zil. I guess I'm having the classic werewolf last minute second thoughts.

I'm extremely sorry if you're innocent, Zil, but a part of me is glad you're going to be gone even if innocent because otherwise I'd be debating whether to vote you or someone else every Day for the rest of the game.

Which brings me to say, whatever Inzil is, his death will force a lot of us to look at other people, which surely isn't a bad thing.

Still sucks if he's innocent though. Doubly so if Rune is not.

edit: xed with #1223 and onwards

Inziladun · 05-13-2020, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Part of me feels like the reactionary Zil-waggon is something that was prepared by the wolves to break out at a time of need (though obviously not all Zil-voters are going to be evil), but another part of me is still suspicious of him and curious to know what his role is.

If I was evil, this would be the time to say I'm the Seer!!

But, I'm not, neither am I a baddie.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-13-2020, 02:51 PM

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If I was evil, this would be the time to say I'm the Seer!!

But, I'm not, neither am I a baddie.

This makes me sad.

Brinniel · 05-13-2020, 02:55 PM

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Part of me feels like the reactionary Zil-waggon is something that was prepared by the wolves to break out at a time of need (though obviously not all Zil-voters are going to be evil), but another part of me is still suspicious of him and curious to know what his role is.

Well I've found him to be suspicious for awhile, but you are right that if he's innocent he was an easy target. Even if I'm completely wrong on this, I think at least his role could still reveal a lot about other players.

X-ed with a bunch

Boromir88 · 05-13-2020, 02:55 PM

Parting words. Didn't have time to accomplish everything I wanted to....

Most suspicious of Eonwe for the quick latch onto QT's vote.

And Ka for pretty much the same reasons yesterday, even though it resulted in lynching a known wolf. Her posting today looks opportunistic against Shasta and then her response to me about not feeling like I'm walking into any traps.

Most comfortable with Lommy and Brinn.

Lean innocent towards Kath and Lottie

Neutral and waiting to determine on Rune, Pitch, Greenie, Shasta.

Good luck and happy lynching.

Inziladun · 05-13-2020, 02:57 PM

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Good luck and happy lynching.

Only lucky and happy for the Infectors.

Eönwë · 05-13-2020, 02:59 PM

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Most suspicious of Eonwe for the quick latch onto QT's vote.

I've been suspicious of Rune since the beginning (early on I put it down to his bias against me, but he's done nothing to make me feel better about him), and there's a very very low probability of the QT trying to deceive us, unlike 3 players here.

Whether or not he is actually evil, Zil has definitely seemed like a bit of a scapegoat and has been so dissociated from by others that I don't know how much his death will tell us. Plus he's seemed more innocent/genuine toDay (though that could just be the threat of being killed off).

You on the other hand are still extremely suspicious to me, and connected to everyone.

edit: x-ed with the Nog himself.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-13-2020, 02:50 PM

If nothing else today has made me quite firm in my belief that Inziladun and Eönwë are two of our remaining infectors. Brinn was my third choice, but I am not sure it adds up anymore.

I get why it is compelling to want to leave your vote in the hands of known innocents, nobody likes making difficult choices, but the way it was seized upon by Eönwë and Inziladun just confirms my suspicions.

I don't blame people for considering voting (or actually voting for me), it would be weird if it wasn't a consideration, but there are different ways to approach such a thing and their seems wolfish.

Anyways the legitimacy of one of my long standing suspicions are about to be revealed exiting...

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Part of me feels like the reactionary Zil-waggon is something that was prepared by the wolves to break out at a time of need (though obviously not all Zil-voters are going to be evil), but another part of me is still suspicious of him and curious to know what his role is.

Hmm why would you go and say this...

Inziladun · 05-13-2020, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Anyways the legitimacy of one of my long standing suspicions are about to be revealed exiting...

No question about it.

x/d with Rune and Steve

05-13-2020, 02:44 PM	#5
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Part of me feels like the reactionary Zil-waggon is something that was prepared by the wolves to break out at a time of need (though obviously not all Zil-voters are going to be evil), but another part of me is still suspicious of him and curious to know what his role is. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

05-13-2020, 02:45 PM	#6
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	There's also the unlikely but possible scenario that they're both evil and the wolves are trying to work out who to throw under the bus (there are only 3 now, so it's presumably harder to steer/orchestrate a waggon, especially with the counteracting force of the QT) __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

05-13-2020, 02:47 PM	#7
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Well, it's Zil then. I hope you were a wolf. I'm not sure how I feel about the people who voted for Zil early, though. Seems like an easy vote on a Day when a lot of people had much stronger suspicions. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

05-13-2020, 01:34 PM	#1
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	That's an honest question, by the way, because I can't see what they could know that we don't. They were right on Lhuna yesterday, sure, but they aren't - can't be - infallible. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-13-2020, 02:55 PM	#12
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Parting words. Didn't have time to accomplish everything I wanted to.... Most suspicious of Eonwe for the quick latch onto QT's vote. And Ka for pretty much the same reasons yesterday, even though it resulted in lynching a known wolf. Her posting today looks opportunistic against Shasta and then her response to me about not feeling like I'm walking into any traps. Most comfortable with Lommy and Brinn. Lean innocent towards Kath and Lottie Neutral and waiting to determine on Rune, Pitch, Greenie, Shasta. Good luck and happy lynching. __________________ Fenris Penguin