Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-13-2020, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

That seems too easy, but I think we have to lynch one of them toDay, it makes too much sense to not give it a try.

For one thing, it means innocent-Zil. Hmm.

Thought exercise - who's the most likely to be innocent in Rune/Ka/Eonwe?

I think Rune - I wasn't really considering him until the QT vote.

Loslote · 05-13-2020, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

For one thing, it means innocent-Zil. Hmm.

Thought exercise - who's the most likely to be innocent in Rune/Ka/Eonwe?

I think Rune - I wasn't really considering him until the QT vote.

I think Eonwe. I've been interpreting Ka's latest posts as trying to tie you and Eonwe together to implicate you, but she could plausibly be doing that even if *both* you and Eonwe are innocent, just to try to get at least one of you lynched.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-13-2020, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

I think Eonwe. I've been interpreting Ka's latest posts as trying to tie you and Eonwe together to implicate you, but she could plausibly be doing that even if *both* you and Eonwe are innocent, just to try to get at least one of you lynched.

Hmm. Maybe. I think Ka's lack of talking much about Eonwe is telling, though.

Although I haven't looked specifically to see how much Ka said about Rune either.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-13-2020, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Could lightning strike two Days in a row? There are some sharp people over there, no question. It isn't the way I would have voted toDay, but then I seem to recall saying that yesterDay....

x/d with Lottie

You know it doesn't.

But I get why you would say that.

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The Quarantine Thread has given its vote.

++ Rune Son of Bjarne (Son of Marx)

I expected to get a bit of attention today, but honestly I thought it would have regarding the timing of my vote yesterday (considering Lhuna turned out being an infector). Really surprised as both Legate and Lalaith to be reasonably convinced of my innocence.

Loslote · 05-13-2020, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I expected to get a bit of attention today, but honestly I thought it would have regarding the timing of my vote yesterday (considering Lhuna turned out being an infector). Really surprised as both Legate and Lalaith to be reasonably convinced of my innocence.

That's a good point, but probably not in the way you meant. If Legate and Lalaith were convinced to vote for you, they must know something in the QT that we don't in the living thread.

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-13-2020, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

That's a good point, but probably not in the way you meant. If Legate and Lalaith were convinced to vote for you, they must know something in the QT that we don't in the living thread.

Such as?

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-13-2020, 01:34 PM

That's an honest question, by the way, because I can't see what they could know that we don't. They were right on Lhuna yesterday, sure, but they aren't - can't be - infallible.

Inziladun · 05-13-2020, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That's an honest question, by the way, because I can't see what they could know that we don't. They were right on Lhuna yesterday, sure, but they aren't - can't be - infallible.

Indeed. Unless Huey and Lhuna have been careless, the QT mainly has to work with what we have here.

x/d with Lottie

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-13-2020, 01:46 PM

A couple of comments on stuff that has been said today.

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Originally Posted by Lommy #1122

And by the way, I still maintain that them dropping off the Brinn vote as soon as the innocent majority took over is a point in Brinn's favour. The innocents in the qt thread have read what lead to Huine and Gal picking Brinn for the second Day in a row, and they're in a much better position to judge Brinn's connection to Huine than we are.

I have long maintained my suspicion of Brinn, but Lommy makes a good point here. Though taking recent events into consideration I would like to stress that an innocent QT thread is clearly quite capable of mistakes.

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Also, generally, I'm not sure actually sure if the Kit discussion is actually as suspicious people make it sound (I know there have been mixed opinions on this). Harmful to the village, yes, but suspicious? I'm not so sure. Other than Zil who first pointed it out (which may have been in attempt to lure how out more if he's evil), discussion of something that looks weird seems more likely to be something innocent would do, because wolves know that any kind of slip by a non-wolf is not a wolf-slip (and thus a gifted-slip), and have the Night to discuss it.

Except that Lhuna, one of the key people involved in that discussion has just turned out to be a wolf. So if you're thinking Inzil could be a wolf trying to lure people out, and then there's Lhuna who was a wolf, then that discussion is absolutely a source of suspicion.

I love this bit from Kath. Eönwë is once again taking a weird stance regarding Kitana, and she rightly points out the flaw in his argument. This and his continued suspicion of her is very peculiar indeed.

Eönwë · 05-13-2020, 02:41 PM

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Also, generally, I'm not sure actually sure if the Kit discussion is actually as suspicious people make it sound (I know there have been mixed opinions on this). Harmful to the village, yes, but suspicious? I'm not so sure. Other than Zil who first pointed it out (which may have been in attempt to lure how out more if he's evil), discussion of something that looks weird seems more likely to be something innocent would do, because wolves know that any kind of slip by a non-wolf is not a wolf-slip (and thus a gifted-slip), and have the Night to discuss it.

Except that Lhuna, one of the key people involved in that discussion has just turned out to be a wolf. So if you're thinking Inzil could be a wolf trying to lure people out, and then there's Lhuna who was a wolf, then that discussion is absolutely a source of suspicion.

I love this bit from Kath. Eönwë is once again taking a weird stance regarding Kitana, and she rightly points out the flaw in his argument. This and his continued suspicion of her is very peculiar indeed.

I have a very strong feeling that wolves might attempt to use this as a way to brush potential wolf-slips under the carpet - if it seems like something that could possibly be a gifted slip, it is ignored. Obviously this does protect the gifteds, but is it worth it to just ignore possible wolves hiding among us? I don't know. I know part of why I hopped on the Huey-waggon was his slip. And Kit's was clearly pretty Rangery, but that isn't always the case. If people are too concerned to point something out, wolves get a free pass where they shouldn't.

Loslote · 05-13-2020, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Such as?

A slip by Huinwolf seems the most likely.

Thinlómien · 05-13-2020, 01:46 PM

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Then again, I wonder whether calling him Rune Son of Bjarne, Son of Marx might indicate that the final vote was Legate's, as he has referred to Rune and Kath as Marx and Kant a few times. Though I guess it might also be a joke from Nog.

I very much doubt the mod would intentionally give us clues like that.

Hm. Is it just me or has Pitchwife's posting generally been kinda... scrambled toDay compared to usual? Like a wolf feeling the tide is turning against his pack? I mean, I still consider him likely innocent for the crucial Huine vote, but being unlikely wolf-on-wolf isn't the same as being impossible wolf-on-wolf

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I'm going to make Lommy happy and ++Ka - I don't see myself going much of anywhere else after the events of the last couple hours.

Why does this make me happy?

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Thought exercise - who's the most likely to be innocent in Rune/Ka/Eonwe?

Before the QT vote toDay I would have said "Rune" without a doubt. Now I need to reconsider what I'm basing my trust of Rune on. Personally I feel it's a bit of a coin toss between Ka and Eönwë. Eönwë could be my classic type of kneejerkily misinterpreting someone innocent as suspicious in ww, Ka on the other hand could still be eccentric good instead of eccentric evil. But that being said, I'm still more suspicious of both of them (and of Zil) than I am of Rune.

Also I don't "distrust" the QT vote. I just don't think they know so much more than us that we should follow them without a question, or that their vote couldn't be tampered with by the evil side (even though that's quite unlikely). There's a difference.

edit: xed with the last three

Shastanis Althreduin · 05-13-2020, 01:50 PM

Because I didn't hold my vote to the end, Lommy.

Thinlómien · 05-13-2020, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Because I didn't hold my vote to the end, Lommy.

Awwwwww how tragic I didn't even realise that! Good boy!

Gonna have a quick look at Rune's posts, but currently would still feel better about Zil, Ka or Eönwë.

Boromir88 · 05-13-2020, 02:10 PM

Not really a Ka-alysis, but just a point...on her vote yesterday.

Strongly agree with Lottie's take about Ka's vote for Lhuna yesterday. Technically there could be a wolf-on-wolf vote anywhere to a pack bold enough. I prefer to not look at the wolf-on-wolf votes as the most suspicious, but agree that Ka's vote has that look of wolf-on-wolf. She waffles a bit on on Lhuna doesn't bring up any more suspicions against her, and votes based on trust of the QT.

It was an early vote and what makes it look a good spot for wolf-on-wolf is that she vote Lhuna, but doesn't give really any more information to use against Lhuna.

05-13-2020, 01:34 PM	#7
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	That's an honest question, by the way, because I can't see what they could know that we don't. They were right on Lhuna yesterday, sure, but they aren't - can't be - infallible. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-13-2020, 01:50 PM	#13
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Because I didn't hold my vote to the end, Lommy. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

05-13-2020, 02:10 PM	#15
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Not really a Ka-alysis, but just a point...on her vote yesterday. Strongly agree with Lottie's take about Ka's vote for Lhuna yesterday. Technically there could be a wolf-on-wolf vote anywhere to a pack bold enough. I prefer to not look at the wolf-on-wolf votes as the most suspicious, but agree that Ka's vote has that look of wolf-on-wolf. She waffles a bit on on Lhuna doesn't bring up any more suspicions against her, and votes based on trust of the QT. It was an early vote and what makes it look a good spot for wolf-on-wolf is that she vote Lhuna, but doesn't give really any more information to use against Lhuna. __________________ Fenris Penguin