Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If Boro is innocent, and there can't be 3 wolves just now, that would mean that the EW was thwarted on both Nights 4 and 5. It would suggest that the GW is not being thwarted, but then we would surely have seen the Visitor who leaves by now; and I just don't take that from the narration hints thus far.

All right, I really want to hear other people's interpretation of the nightly noises now, and the possible scenarios they think might have happened.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

If Boro is innocent, and there can't be 3 wolves just now, that would mean that the EW was thwarted on both Nights 4 and 5. It would suggest that the GW is not being thwarted, but then we would surely have seen the Visitor who leaves by now; and I just don't take that from the narration hints thus far.

All right, I really want to hear other people's interpretation of the nightly noises now, and the possible scenarios they think might have happened.

What if they've been picking the same targets?

Edit: x'd with Brinn

[Lalaith]

Another quick question as I need to be away for a few hours...I too noticed Kuru's promise of an interesting day and wondered if there were a Duel in the offing. If there is a Duel, will there also be a lynching?

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Another quick question as I need to be away for a few hours...I too noticed Kuru's promise of an interesting day and wondered if there were a Duel in the offing. If there is a Duel, will there also be a lynching?

Having a duel wouldn't impact the occurrence of a lynch. Only the players in the Living Thread having a tie would do that.

(Idea for the next game: having a ++No Lynch option for a vote. I wonder how that would work out...)

[Nerwen]

Brinn, Day Three

#332.
Discusses Eonwe's Dead Thread communication plan; not sure if it is feasible.

#333.
"Not quite as concerned" as Sally re: spreading of early votes on previous Day, but is concerned by bandwaggon votes for Zil.

#337. Further discussion Dead Thread plan with Eonwe.. Agrees it should have been settled earlier, and partly blames herself. Will be out most of the Day.

#452. Looks at Inzil voters. Lottie's vote is "less suspicious" because it was his defensiveness rather than the slip itself, but still has some suspicion of her because of "the same reason I voted her on Day 1". One... [Note: but those reasons were being *too* helpful with the no-lynch plan, thus a possible "nice" wolf, and being a potentially useful deadie. Hardly sufficient for a Day 3 vote.]. Eonwe's vote is "bandwaggoning". My vote is suspicious because of my "eagerness" to jump on Zil's slip, and would apparently be evil regardless of his actual role. [Note.: I believe this quite a misrepresentation of what occurred]. Boro's vote is also a "bandwaggon" and she mentions again that he might have been turned Night Two for looking too innocent. [Note: not if my theory on narration is correct.

Goes on to say that she thinks those who focussed more on the Dead Thread might also be suspicious. Nogrod talks too much about the Dead Thread and is "chaotic". Eonwe on the other hand, serms genuinely helpful, which is "scary" as it "makes him a good candidate for wolf conversion". Also felt that he drew focus from that Day's lynch. Legate has suddenly started focussing on the Dead Thread, which could point to a newly-turned wolf.

Comments: Okay, this is looking pretty suss. "Suspect the helpful" theme continues...

#461. Votes Eonwe because "I found him concerning on both lists I just made". Which is to say, being too helpful plus voting someone of then-unknown role.

Comments: Those last two posts look rather bad actually...

Edit: x'd since my last

[Nerwen]

I have to go now- will try and finish this later.

[Nerwen]

And I will also try and look at Sally, and anyone else I can- but have just run out of time now.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

"Suspect the helpful" theme continues...

I think your getting this from a post I made yesterDay. To clarify, I said it's a bad idea to write someone off as innocent because they're being helpful as it can be a classic wolf tactic. That isn't to say it's always the case or that someone can't be both helpful and innocent.

Anyway, I have yet to vote for anyone for the sole reason of looking too helpful as I agree that really isn't a good reason on its own.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

#461. Votes Eonwe because "I found him concerning on both lists I just made". Which is to say, being too helpful plus voting someone of then-unknown role.

I voted for Eonwe because a) his bandwagon vote looked opportunistic to me and b) I found his focus on the Dead Thread and other game play rules/technicalities to be distracting and I could see a baddie doing this to draw focus away from who to lynch. Not because he was being too helpful.

I referred to my previous post when voting as I had run out of time to write more, but I apologize if my reasons weren't clear at the time. Though, this is the second time I've had to clarify my vote to you so I don't understand why you keep misrepresenting it.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I think your getting this from a post I made yesterDay. To clarify, I said it's a bad idea to write someone off as innocent because they're being helpful as it can be a classic wolf tactic. That isn't to say it's always the case or that someone can't be both helpful and innocent.

Anyway, I have yet to vote for anyone for the sole reason of looking too helpful as I agree that really isn't a good reason on its own.


I voted for Eonwe because a) his bandwagon vote looked opportunistic to me and b) I found his focus on the Dead Thread and other game play rules/technicalities to be distracting and I could see a baddie doing this to draw focus away from who to lynch. Not because he was being too helpful.

I referred to my previous post when voting as I had run out of time to write more, but I apologize if my reasons weren't clear at the time. Though, this is the second time I've had to clarify my vote to you so I don't understand why you keep misrepresenting it.

Back again briefly- no, I don't think I'm misrepresenting you. Certainly not deliberately- I've been looking at what you actually say in those posts and interpreting it as best I can. Maybe you meant something different by it- who knows? I felt there was a certain house-of-cards logic to some of your suspicions, to which I wanted to draw attention.

Brinn, Day Four

#496. Is not surprised by Mith's death as seems a no-trace kill.

#498. (Answering me, as I expressed surprise at a no-trace kill so late in the game) Thinks wolves were afraid of hunter/ranger, or afraid of the repercussions of killing off players who suspected them.

#499. Analyses Legate. Finds him more suspicious than previously, but no longer thinks he is a newly-turned wolf. Is also suspicious of Nog, Eonwe, me and Boro.

#544. Doesn't think Nogrod had an excuse for voting late; criticises him for wasting time with distracting subjects. Finds him suspicious, but also worried he would be an easy lynch target if innocent.

Comment: Can't argue with this, as it was exactly my reaction.

#561. (Answering Lalaith) Thinks Sally, not Shasta is the biggest submarine.

#566. "My top suspects for lynching are Legate and Eonwe. Legate for reasons I stated earlier toDay and my opinion of Eonwe has not changed since yesterDay.

Nogrod is another I'm still considering, but I'm feeling slightly hesitant about him."

Comment: See, once again I don't like that "my opinion has not changed since yesterDay", given the original reason was so flimsy- and people might not bother to check- leading perhaps to an impression of there being a stronger case against him than there actually is. (Of course Zil pulled the same thing on me and turned out to be innocent, so there's that...)

#580. Votes Eonwe. (Eonwe 2, Nog 2, Legate 2, Boro 4). The vote is consistent with her earlier suspicions. Tells us nothing either way. It would point to innocence if Boro turns out a wolf- however, I strongly doubt this is the case.

Comments: Hard to say. Much of her posting seems sensible and innocent but there are some definite wolfy indications as well. Hmmn.

[Eönwë]

RL has really gotten in the way of my participation toDay. Catching up now; should be around until the deadline.