T-I-G CVIII: Wolves of the Galadhrim (Game Thread)

[Coppermirror]

If there's a Nerwen-moddess around, would you consider answering this question? For the purposes of this question, setting aside whether there actually is a cursed villager who became a wolf last Night, if there had been one, and if the Seer had dreamed of that person last Night, would you have told the Seer the updated information about that person, or would you have told them the non-updated information?

[Rikae]

I'm sorry to hear about your dog, Kitanna.

Well, my vote actually doesn't count anymore at this point. What Sally's saying about a cursed-dreamed-ordo false revealing as Nimrodel sounds like utter nonsense, for the record, but so does Shasta's "I show up as a wolf".

Whatever.

++Noam Chomsky

Sally, if you're the seer, please plainly reveal your ordos before the end of the day. If your hints are like the ones about Shasta I wouldn't count on us finding them.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Sally, if you're the seer, please plainly reveal your ordos before the end of the day.

My ordos, she says. Then again, she's not among them, so I shouldn't be terribly surprised.

I am back and will read and cackle a bit before I reveal my other dreams and go to bed.

[satansaloser2005]

Known roles:
Shasta (wolf)
Copper (ordo)
Farael (ordo)
Sally (seer, duh)

Unknown roles:
Lottie
Rikae
Kitanna

In case anyone cares, the dreams are listed above in order.

[satansaloser2005]

Having put some pressure on the village to wait on my information, I'll note that Rikae seemed more perturbed by the wait than I believe an innocent her would have been. She really seemed to turn sour after I said my dreams were all alive, which is another point of interest to consider after I am inevitably gone toMorrow. I could well be wrong and she's just annoyed, but this smells of a furry Rikae realizing the tightness of her present spot. If there's a third wolf, I could think of no better candidate.



Note that we could (read, should) have at least a 1/3 chance of nabbing the last wolf (if there is one) toMorrow. The fact that Nimrodel didn't reveal and make it 50/50 makes me think they may not be aligned with the village, or that they are and their role is best kept hidden, which hopefully means the wolves will have quite the interesting Night if they get another one at all. I could speculate further, but I'll be dead come the morn and it likely won't be relevant anyway.

[satansaloser2005]

I may be back in the morning just before, but it's pretty unlikely. For now, sleep!

*nuzzles her wolfy psychic wolf boy*

[Nerwen]

DL in half an hour.

[Coppermirror]

Good morning! (Or afternoon or night, as the case may be.) I'm probably going to be home all day toDay, so I'll have a fair amount of time to think about the game, on and off. So far I'm trying to look at the narrations for clues about roles, and then I'll want to look through the past Days' posting for hints about the possible identity of a third wolf.

[Coppermirror]

I will have a look at that. It may take a while, though, and I think it'd be a good idea for anybody else who has the time to also look through for clues on their own, since we might pick up on different things.

[Coppermirror]

Day 1.

Kitanna:
- banters
- speculates wildly, and among those, there's one known hit: Tar-Jêx as one of the Lovers. Given that Tar-Jêx got killed and revealed as Amroth on Day 1, they might have thought that was Seerish, but if they did, it didn't stop them thinking Boro was a better kill option for Night 2.
- says "I'm magic after all." in response to Agan's "Blimey! I didn't think we'd get caught this quickly." about the Lovers guess, and then speculates about the Lovers' roles. The "I'm magic" stuff might have been too bold-sounding to be followed up.
- votes randomly for Tar-Jêx, who anyone would have expected to be safe from being voted off on Day 1, so if they thought Seer!Kitanna had dreamed of him as a Lover/Ranger, Seer!Kitanna would have expected her vote to be 100% ineffectual and safe. (Although it turns out it wasn't safe.)

Rikae:
n/a

Farael:
n/a

Loslote:
- banter, talks of dark portents
- says could buy Kitanna's speculation about Lover-cobblers.
- votes Boro, leaves

Day 2

Kitanna:
- Post #75 has multiple suggestions. Can't see anything of note there.
- Shows up to vote. Really, there is so little there.

Rikae:
- Points out that Tar may not have known details of Nimrodel's role.
- Suggests maybe Nimrodel's an illogical hunter.

Farael
- suggests that Nimrodel can both protect and be a hunter, but that it's unlikely.

Agan:
- lots of suggestions that there's a cobbler, focused on McCaber.
- among other things, suggested Boro was killed for cobbler-hinting
- suggests that a better reason would be that the wolves wanted something specific (a cursed) more than they wanted to nab the "revealed" Agan!Seer. This is something that could, on its own, just be a way of trying to plausibly explain why Agan was still alive if she was really the Seer.
- "I'll be happy to give you Nimrodel's name if I see her suggest (as discreetly as she wants) she'd prefer I did that" - she may have been hoping that Nimrodel would say something, whether revealing herself and saying yes or subtly hinting a "no" to Agan.

Loslote:
The "cursed before" could have been her trying to contact wolves, but could have been entirely innocent too. This was also at a time when she was about to Night-kill Agan, so it could be odd to reach out to the wolves when she was trying hard to kill one.

All three of Kitanna, Rikae and Farael look like people that the wolves could reasonably have gone for on suspicion of Seerishness. The latter two missed an entire Day, and Kitanna left early and made a throwaway vote on Day 1 then didn't say much on Day 2.

I am concerned that perhaps Lottie could be untrustworthy and the village's remaining opponent, but frankly at this stage if she is it takes the game to levels of difficulty that I'm not sure I can manage to deal with right now.

I'm going to move on to look at the next two Days and see if anyone is looking as if they just got turned into a wolf there.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Known roles:
Shasta (wolf)
Copper (ordo)
Farael (ordo)
Sally (seer, duh)

Unknown roles:
Lottie
Rikae
Kitanna

In case anyone cares, the dreams are listed above in order.

Sooo, this game is utter insanity.

Assuming Nerwen would have told Sally if she dreamt Nimrodel (which why wouldn't she) that means one of these three unknowns is Nimrodel and one is a wolf and one is an ordo. I know I'm an ordo so will we be playing a round of musical reveals for the role of Nimrodel with the other two unknowns?

Thanks to Agan I'm not sure who to find guilty. Agan claimed to have dreamed Rikae innocent. Wolf on wolf? Wolf jumping on an innocent to confuse things later?

Then she suggested the remaining voters try to get Lottie lynched. Both Lottie and Rikae didn't believe Agan's reveal, but still didn't vote for her which I found odd then and I find odd now.

I have to get to work, but I'll be back around my lunch hour.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Then she suggested the remaining voters try to get Lottie lynched. Both Lottie and Rikae didn't believe Agan's reveal, but still didn't vote for her which I found odd then and I find odd now.

I can't speak for Lottie, but in my case: because she could have been the seer.
I didn't trust Agan, either, but I didn't vote for her.
I just like someone claiming to be a seer to give me a reason to believe her, before I follow her advice. Sally wouldn't tell her dreams (which a wolf would have done, to avoid making a mistake) and she pushed Nimrodel to reveal first (which a wolf would have also done). So I didn't trust her. I hoped other people would wait to hear her whole story before voting, and I was annoyed that they didn't.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

If there's a Nerwen-moddess around, would you consider answering this question? For the purposes of this question, setting aside whether there actually is a cursed villager who became a wolf last Night, if there had been one, and if the Seer had dreamed of that person last Night, would you have told the Seer the updated information about that person, or would you have told them the non-updated information?

Obviously this is a rather difficult question for me to answer. To my way of thinking, this hypothetical Cursed would probably not have assumed wolf status until the Night was over- so would *not* have shown up to the Seer as a wolf last Night.

The above should not be taken as confirming any part of your scenario, however.