T-I-G CVIII: Wolves of the Galadhrim (Game Thread)

[satansaloser2005]

Let's get the big surprise out of the way first: I don't (presently) suspect Kit. Shocking, right? I hate to spoil a glorious tradition, but Kit and Agan discussing the possible implications of Nimrodel on Day 1 seems (at least on Kit’s end) innocent enough to me. While it’s true that the baddies would be as keen to know the lovers’ details as we are, her tone lends an air of ignorance rather than pot-stirring. Essentially I think a wolf Kit or a mystery gifted* Kit would not have this particular type of discussion with Agan; were she a wolf, they could have sent their secret messages during the Night, and were she a gifted, well, she would know what her role was, wouldn't she? Um, wouldn't she?

The only particular thing I could find from Boro was the use of the phrase “getting inside your head,” which, knowing how clever my prince can be, may have been picked up on by the wolves as a hint toward the seer’s true identity. I know it isn’t much, but there wasn’t much to go on, and the wolves were likely grasping at straws in this matter. Knowing there was no chance to undo Agan’s reveal, the quickest way to profit from the situation was to attempt to find the real seer before he or she could possibly reveal some of the sultry minx’s packmates. Obviously they were wrong, and now they will pay for their heinous crimes. My prince must be avenged!

In regards to above, I’ll note that Lottie made a quick point of that before voting for Boro, which, if my above theory is correct, could paint her in a rather bloody light. Other than that, I’ve not dedicated much time to her yet, I’ll admit.

While I hesitate to trust McCaber on principle (he’s the McCobbler, after all!), I think his logic this Day and the last has been sound (and not just because he voted Agan, promise). He tips toward the logical side of at least voting for someone who is around to defend themselves, and the fact that the vote was for Agan does honestly help his case, especially since he was the one who started the votes against her and we all know how unpredictable Day 1s can be; he easily could have been serving her up as a quick lynch, and I don’t believe Cab would take such a big risk, at least not on Day 1.

I find Shasta’s vote highly suspicious, however. I don’t find it within his nature to go after someone who hasn’t yet spoken their piece. Must he really go after someone who hasn't shown up, especially after the debacles we've had in the past with absent Day 1 lynchees? It’s bad form, and unusual form for him. If he is a wolf, he could easily use the events of the last game (I mean, really, I haven’t changed my avatar, for God’s sake) as a joking front for shifting the vote toward me and away from a compatriot. Say, Agan, perhaps?

Rikae looks okay to me (for the moment) mostly based on the fact that Agan specified her as a dream, and to have Rikae turn out the opposite of that reveal would ruin what small (and inexplicable) chance Agan has at keeping up this seer act. I'll reevaluate this later, as I know both of these ladies are capable of that level of shenanigans if not more, but for toDay, Rikae shifts into my ignore column. Like yesterDay, I simply have bigger fishes to sleep with- I mean fry.

Farael considers the options and has come to, in my opinion, the correct decision. It's been so long since we've played that I'm not sure of your style, but you certainly don't seem a threat at the moment (and yes, it's Sally).

Cop has given me no reason to notice her, and is, I must say, entirely off my radar. Her vote placed Agan solidly in the danger zone, which, much like Cab, I don't believe Cop would risk on Day 1 with so few in the village.

As for this gifted mess, my advice to the village is, at least for now, to ignore what Nimrodel might have been or may have become. If their alignment has shifted, the only evidence we have of their actions from before the change was Day 1, and in most of our cases, that isn't much to go on. I feel like spending time talking about the possibilities of that role is only going to detract from our true purpose, which is exactly what the wolves want. Only two of us can know what Nimrodel's role entails, and I doubt Nimrodel is going to talk, so it's a non-issue.

I need to vote soon and get to bed. A quick list as a recap....

Would vote:
Agan (HOW IS THIS NOT HAPPENING, YOU GUYS?)
Shasta
Lottie
Rikae

Would not vote:
Kit
Cop
Farael
McCaber
Sally (duh)

I'll post this (sorry for the delay, by the way) and catch up again before I vote in a second.


*Nimrodel, that is

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading, but I do want to voice my utter shock at this quote from Sally -

Originally Posted by Sally

I find Shasta’s vote highly suspicious, however. I don’t find it within his nature to go after someone who hasn’t yet spoken their piece.

Are you kidding me right now? After all of the literal on-thread fights I've gotten into with people about voting for people who haven't shown up so that people who have aren't penalized for it? -facepalm-

Anyway, I'll have other comments momentarily, that just stood out.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Are you kidding me right now? After all of the literal on-thread fights I've gotten into with people about voting for people who haven't shown up so that people who have aren't penalized for it? -facepalm-

Anyway, I'll have other comments momentarily, that just stood out.

After the last game and after how much you've been sniped recently, I don't think you'd do it. Not yesterDay, and not to me. You know I always show up. You could have picked someone who had shown up but beaten around the bush, but you didn't. Agan being in trouble at the time makes it a way bigger red flag than it would have been otherwise, but your timing looks incredibly sketch, and I'm an easy bandwagon, which is why I think you picked me.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

After the last game and after how much you've been sniped recently, I don't think you'd do it. Not yesterDay, and not to me. You know I always show up. You could have picked someone who had shown up but beaten around the bush, but you didn't. Agan being in trouble at the time makes it a way bigger red flag than it would have been otherwise, but your timing looks incredibly sketch, and I'm an easy bandwagon, which is why I think you picked me.

I don't believe I was in the last game (seriously don't remember if I was) and I haven't played in months, so I can't have been "sniped recently" (although it certainly has happened to me before). Yeah, I could have picked someone who'd posted thus far, but I fired on a submarine instead, like I usually do. You, Rikae, and Farael were the ones who hadn't shown up yet, Farael hasn't played in a super long time and I can, on occasion, think Rikae's evil. I think you're innocent every game (and you know that, because you've used that against me, and I know you've done it.)

Besides that, Agan was hardly in trouble when I voted. She didn't even garner her second vote until after I voted for you. Also, you being an "easy bandwagon" is entirely your opinion.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't believe I was in the last game (seriously don't remember if I was) and I haven't played in months, so I can't have been "sniped recently" (although it certainly has happened to me before).

Recently is relative in Werewolf these days. I'm referring to recent games, not necessarily games that were played recently (which is definitely not how I should have worded that, but oh well). You've been quite frustrated at being killed in absentia (which I understand, as it's happened to me too, grumble grumble), and with Legate facing the same fate recently while on your side, I'm unwilling to believe you'd throw me so casually under the bus without giving me a chance to defend myself. Rather, I'm willing to believe it, but I don't think that was the situation yesterDay.

Besides that, Agan was hardly in trouble when I voted. She didn't even garner her second vote until after I voted for you. Also, you being an "easy bandwagon" is entirely your opinion.

Honey. Honey. You know how much I'm lynched. It's sort of a lot, and often for little or no reason. You're right in that Agan wasn't necessarily in trouble, but I didn't say she was; I said you were shifting focus onto me and away from someone else.

More importantly, just look at how much you jumped when I poked you....


EDIT: x'd with Farael

[satansaloser2005]

No, but seriously, I have to go to bed. My laptop's about to die and I have to work in a few hours. Sorry, loves. It's sleepy time for the cupcake. Lynch wisely!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Recently is relative in Werewolf these days. I'm referring to recent games, not necessarily games that were played recently (which is definitely not how I should have worded that, but oh well). You've been quite frustrated at being killed in absentia (which I understand, as it's happened to me too, grumble grumble), and with Legate facing the same fate recently while on your side, I'm unwilling to believe you'd throw me so casually under the bus without giving me a chance to defend myself. Rather, I'm willing to believe it, but I don't think that was the situation yesterDay.



Honey. Honey. You know how much I'm lynched. It's sort of a lot, and often for little or no reason. You're right in that Agan wasn't necessarily in trouble, but I didn't say she was; I said you were shifting focus onto me and away from someone else.

More importantly, just look at how much you jumped when I poked you....


EDIT: x'd with Farael

Originally Posted by Sally

Agan being in trouble at the time makes it a way bigger red flag than it would have been otherwise

Uh... you wanna try running that last bit by me one more time?

Also, if you want to talk about jumping when poked, let's talk about how you came into the day with suspicions aimed right at me, solely because I literally threw away a principle vote on you yesterday. I was literally not even suspicious of you. It was Day 1.

Did I jump when you poked me? Maybe. But I've been getting poked by Lottie all day (even if I wasn't here for it).

[Nerwen]

The Tally
Farael —> McCaber (0.5)
Rikae —> Kitanna (1)
Loslote —> Shasta (1)
Sally —> Shasta (2)
Farael (again) —> McCaber (1)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, regarding Agan the Seer. Obviously, her still being alive is an issue, since we lynched our Ranger. On the one hand, we have the possibility that Agan is telling the truth about being Galadriel - we then have to consider why the wolves left her alive to continue to dream. The only thing I can see as a possibility is something to do with whatever Nimrodel is now; I can't think of any other good reason for the wolves to leave an outed, defenseless seer alive.

On the other hand, we have an Aganwolf, desperate not to be lynched on the first day and pulling a gamble (that ultimately paid off). This theory has the added benefit of explaining why she's still alive today.

Honestly, I'm leaning toward the latter scenario. The former relies too much on the wolves being ultra-timid, in my opinion (unless they know something we don't, which is possible, I suppose, but hard to speculate on).

So, following that assumption, I'm going to look next at the people who were quickest to condemn Agan. A wolf whose partner has an expiration date is almost sure to want to make themselves look good by throwing them under the bus.

[satansaloser2005]

The votes so far:
Farael-->McCaber (assuming it counts)
Rikae-->Kit
Lottie-->Shasta

Alas, I have to sleep now. There are currently nine of us, I'm not willing to widen the pool with such a small group, especially since I don't think Agan is really in the cards for toDay. Of the candidates currently on the block, I find Shasta the most suspicious.

++Shasta

Again, McCaber's vote from Day 1 looks quite innocent, and I'm inclined to give Kit a pass for the Day based on my musings in my longer post above. She's done very little though, so all of what I have is speculation, blah blah blah. In any case, I'm waffling enough on the subject that I'll not condemn her at this time.

To bed with me!


x'd since my last because I am super sleepy and nodding off

[satansaloser2005]

Full disclosure: I realize my above post assumes that Agan is not the seer, but....I mean really, come on. Even if -even if!- the wolves were afraid of Nimrodel or they wanted to confuse the village or they thought they could reap some other benefit from it, there's no way they wouldn't kill her. Each Day the seer lives is another Day they could reveal a wolf. It just doesn't make any sense at this stage and with these circumstances.

Also, she's Agan. Come on.

If I'm wrong on this, I hereby promise to mail Agan something lovely. It's only fair.


EDIT: x'd with Shasta