WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Oh, and a correction to my post above. When I said that when Nog voted, only two other people had yet to vote, I was mistaken. It was actually three, which means his choice made a bit more sense.

Yes, but one of them was me.

But that's not the real problem- it's that Nog both speaks of the lynch as already decided: "So it's Pom now (first with as many votes)" and of what "any further votes" could tell us. A real brain-twister, that post is.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, this one's really weird. Firstly, despite having been fairly active and having discussed various other players, Nog had mentioned McCaber only once before, and not in a way that seemed to indicate particularly strong suspicion. Secondly, if he agrees with the lynch of Pom, why vote someone else? Thirdly- and most significantly- with this post, unless I miscounted, he is actually tying McCaber with Pom, with the outcome still undecided- even though he says "it's Pom now".

You know what? This actually makes sense as cobbler behavior, assuming he thought you, Nerwen, were a wolf. With you as one of the bandwagon options, he ties two others (Pom's and Cabbie's), and leaves your options open (to save a packmate, bus one, whatever you wanted to do).

Of course, this scenario does have a pretty slim chance of being accurate, but even disregarding his hypothetical reasoning about Nerwen, I think Nog's behavior really makes more sense as cobbleric than wizardly.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

You know what? This actually makes sense as cobbler behavior, assuming he thought you, Nerwen, were a wolf. With you as one of the bandwagon options, he ties two others (Pom's and Cabbie's), and leaves your options open (to save a packmate, bus one, whatever you wanted to do).

Of course, this scenario does have a pretty slim chance of being accurate, but even disregarding his hypothetical reasoning about Nerwen, I think Nog's behavior really makes more sense as cobbleric than wizardly.

I fear you are right, but I am going to have to vote now as I may not be back before DL, and anyway he does at least look more guilty than innocent to me.

So-

++Nogrod

Volo is another who needs looking at, again for (possibly) trying to save Pom. I will do this later if I have time, but someone else should as well.

[satansaloser2005]

I have returned for a few moments to inform your trolly selves that Boro will not be appearing toDay. He's swamped at work (sounds lovely to me, honestly) and will likely be unable to post.

I haven't read a flipping thing since the narrations (yay!) and I don't have time to at the moment, but I'll be back later with thoughts.

[Inziladun]

Ok, common sense says at least that Cop is unlikely to be a mate of Pom's. There was just no reason for Pom to have voted that way if that was the case.

Looking at it from a saving Pom perspective, Boro voted Cop (third vote), Volo went with Nerwen, and Nog voted for Cab. While it's certainly possible there's a Wizard on the Pom-wagon, I'm making those three the focus.

I see Nerwen's already voted for Nog, and hopefully I'll get time to look at the other two.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Thing is, I really don't think I was "defensive". I said I thought Gil's post looked bad for what I believe were purely objective reasons.

Which brings me to something else. "Defensive" is, or has been, a bit of a magic word in Werewolf- in fact in ancient times, when we were all less sophisticated, it used to be quite possible for wolves to get innocents lynched by the simple means of (1) attacking them, and (2) labelling any response whatever as "defensive".

Yeah, I suppose "defensive" behavior does have a history of being seen as a negative. But I don't think defensiveness is necessarily suspicious. It depends on the nature of the vote placed against someone. If the vote is well-reasoned and consistent with the voter's earlier posts, then defensive behavior does look like an overreaction. But if a vote is poorly thought out or random, then being defensive is justified.

In my previous post, I forgot to keep the cobbler in consideration. Anyone could be the cobbler and their vote and/or a baddie's opinion of them doesn't put them in the clear for that role. But I'm not going to worry much about that possibility since the cobbler isn't the easiest to identify, especially if they inadvertently help the village. And the cobbler counts as an ordo; it's the wizards we want to lynch. However, the suggestion that Nogrod could be the cobbler does make sense. His vote doesn't look innocent, but as I stated earlier, it's not necessarily wizard-like either.

[A Little Green]

I'm back! (Will be able to contribute a bit earlier in the Day toMorrow if I'm still around.)

Originally Posted by Nog

Firstly (well the latest thought), I'm a bit worried about Greenie (news!). Without being able to really read and delve into this toDay I'm feeling more or less anguished while thinking I need to vote in 45 minutes, not knowing where to look for or where to concentrate my effort, while Greenie seems to have ample time to make detailed and plausible "case" for her vote even if she - according to hr - only came online a while ago and has already left. I know she's bright and sharp (thence not a troll! ) but it seems a bit too confident what becomes to how she used her time here toDay - the wolves, well the Wizards, know how to use their time unlike us.

I'm always calmer than you anyway. Incidentally, by the time I posted my first post yesterDay, I had already read the thread and picked out the quotes I felt the need to comment on.

And much as I hate to return the favour, Nog, I do agree with those who find your vote post very fishy. Almost to the point of being too fishy, as Lottie points out:

Originally Posted by Lottie

You know what? This actually makes sense as cobbler behavior, assuming he thought you, Nerwen, were a wolf. With you as one of the bandwagon options, he ties two others (Pom's and Cabbie's), and leaves your options open (to save a packmate, bus one, whatever you wanted to do).

Even without the Nerwen scheme (which is neat, I admit), Nog's vote could be seen as cobblerish; creating a tie, drawing suspicion on himself, attempting to save a suspected wolfowitz? Could also be a careless Nogzard, or simply a Nogzard unsure of the tally and of who have voted; he didn't necessarily know what the tally was. Or did he? I don't remember and don't have the energy to check.

Originally Posted by Morsul

A Little Green, "Green"- Showed up late but came out swinging voted Cab but levels some suspicion on Pom and Copp may wanted to look innocent suspecting Pom but voted an innocent Cab.

Someone (I believe it was Lottie) alread pointed this out - an innocent Cab? Since when did you know that?

Originally Posted by Morsul

McCaber, "Cab"- -my logic was thin but stronger than Cabs exageration of Kaths suspicion. very suspicious. But I think probably innocent if the votes in his wagon include wizards

Wait, what? He's probably innocent if wizards voted for him, and yet you suspect Lottie is a wizard because she voted for a wizard?

Originally Posted by Gil

Looking at Pom's reaction to when Cab voted the same feels like she paniced at that, almost weirdly. I honestly want to look a Cop now. Here is my theory:

Pom was trying to be a sneaky wizer and gave a vote for Cop, thinking that vote will have nothing to come of it and evade suspicion on Pom and Cop being Wizers. Then Cab voted for Cop. Pom paniced, fearing that if more people vote for WizerCop(keeping the hooliganwizers off the streets har har), Cop will be lynched.

This is an interesting theory but as Cop herself pointed out, she was suspected by quite a few others too so voting her at that point would have been quite risky and Pom, I believe, would have known that.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

[3]McCaber is guilty and Pom freaked at the fact that both of them had jumped on the same person.

I think that is possible (which might have something to do with the fact that I still find McCaber somewhat suspicious). At any rate, I find that likelier than Cop being her packmate. It is of course possible that we are vastly overinterpretating that comment of Pom's and wasting our time analyzing it..

Originally Posted by McCaber

If there was an effort by the wizards to save Pom, it most likely took the form of a more vicious attack against another target. Volo was the only person who actively defended Pom, and everyone else shunted their rage to me or on CM.

True; and I'm not quite sure whether that makes Volo look better or worse.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Kath: No vote. Only posted banter. Some might try to read into it, but I don't think there's really anything to read into. But the question is...where did she go?

This is Kath we're talking about. I'm surprised she showed up on Day 1 at all!


EDIT: x-ed with Ozzy

[A Little Green]

Right now I feel the worst about Morsul, Nog, and Cab. I doubt all three are evil, though. Morsul and Cab would be a weird pair, as would Cab and Nog. And I have a nagging feeling that we might well be dealing with a wolf pack of, say, Brinn, Volo and Ozban.

[Coppermirror]

McCaber: I just do not know about him right now. It could be the case that he's a wizard and that's why Pom freaked out, or that she was opportunistically trying to point the finger at him and look innocent herself. A little bit of what he said on page 1 makes me suspicious, but not enough to tip the balance to guilty.

He said that his vote for me was "for being hasty and suspicion-mongering". Hasty, when I'd already said I'd be voting early? Suspicion mongering, a bit hard to do on such little evidence at that point. However, earlier on in #94 his explanation for suspicion sounded a bit better. I do have to agree with something Greenie said about him not stopping to consider non-guilty possibilities, though.

ToDay he said that it's most likely that the wizards yesterDay voted for him or me. That would be a more sensible tactic than defence. And he ends up voting for Rikae on account of perceived backing off from her suspicions yesterDay. I'm by no means writing McCaber off as innocent, but I won't be voting for him toDay.

Rikae: Pom had a good feeling about Rikae, as did several other people. If Rikae is a wizard, I'd say that McCaber probably isn't, and vice versa, given the way things have played out. Rikae claims to have been suspicious of me for "looking helpful" in a post earlier, which as I don't think we've played together before is something I could see someone thinking of. Is a bit suspicious of Greenie for being agreeable, but then thinks at least Greenie was criticising McCab.

Now, Rikae hasn't posted a huge amount, but overall as I've looked through the posts just now I've felt less suspicious of them, and I'm a bit troubled about McCaber's vote. Not enough to vote for him.

Boromir: He ended up voting for me fairly late on in the day because of disliking my vote, and also disliked Brin's vote. ToDay, his post #162 looked pretty sensible to me, with a plausible theory of Pom's wizard-mates not bussing her, and more likely targets being those who tried to put forward other candidates, noting Volo, Nog, and Ozban.

His vote yesterDay could have been an attempt to save Pom himself, however. Can't really draw a conclusion about him, especially as he won't be here to vote toDay.

Nerwen: Is probably aware that if Nog gets lynched and is innocent, people will look carefully at her toMorrow. That means she's a bit more likely to not be a wizard. I may take another look at her posts before deadline. I think it'll take a long time and that I won't be wanting to vote for her toDay anyway, so I'll move on to something more productive.

Greenie: Hard to analyse, but time is getting short (at the snail pace rate I analyse things) and since I don't think there was anything that would make me consider voting for her toDay I'll skip her for now.

Loslote: feeling quite good about her, but I haven't had time to look through her posts individually. As I don't think there's any chance I'll be voting for her, I'm skipping her for now.

Right now I am considering Volo and Morsul, for the reasons given by Sally and Loslote, but I have yet to read through all of their posts myself, and will start doing so now.

[Coppermirror]

Er, and briefly a few other people first before Morsul and Volo. Just from impressions, not from considering their posts carefully, since time is getting on. I may come back to the people I've skimmed over later on, if I have time.

Inzil: I'm not worried about Inzil, for once. Doesn't mean he's innocent, but I don't recall him doing anything suspicious, and my gut feelings are of innocence.

Brin: Might have been targeted by Pom, in which case she's a bit less likely to be a wizard. I didn't find her explanation for her Nerwen vote unbelievable. Overall, no strong feelings about her guilt or innocence, but I'm leaning towards the innocent side.

Kath: Kath who? Come back, Kath!

Gil: Took a stirring the pot tactic yesterDay. I don't think I've played with him before, so it's hard to know how to interpret that tactic. The one thing that makes me suspicious of him toDay is that he decided that Pom's actions make more sense if she was backing off from a packmate after an empty vote gone wrong, which doesn't make sense for reasons that have been pointed out. Was that a genuine suggestion or pot stirring?

Edit: cross-posted with Gil

[Coppermirror]

Morsul

Talks about how he usually suspects Pom, and later says that "Pom's suggestion seems to be fairly genuine little information is better than no information." I found this a bit odd.

He goes for Kath about her Wizard of Oz comment. I'm not sure whether there's anything in that. Votes for her, and on the evidence so far it wasn't an unreasonable vote.

Like many others, he thinks that it's not likely that wizards voted for Pom.

In #164 he's suspicious of Loslote because of her being the second Pom vote, theorising that she could have felt secure in a McCaber lynch. But, I don't think that's likely, given how many people were suspicious of Pom and how quickly things were going. In the end, the votes were close, so people voting really shouldn't have treated their votes as throwaway. Even so, I haven't looked at Loslote's posts in depth myself.

In #172 he presents a theory on the vote placement, which isn't awful divorced of context, but which I think forgets that a wizzard wouldn't know in advance how the voting would go.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

A Little Green, "Green"- Showed up late but came out swinging voted Cab but levels some suspicion on Pom and Copp may wanted to look innocent suspecting Pom but voted an innocent Cab.

That could be an innocent's mistake, or a bad slip. I'd be reluctant to vote for him only on that slip.

Ozban analyses his posts and decides to vote for him.


Volo

#55 - questions McCaber.
#108 - a bit hard to follow...
#126 - agrees with what he describes as Rikae's defence of me.
#132 - Is unsure about Nerwen, thinks Pom feels more genuine than McCaber, whom she describes as more "naughty".

Then suddenly...

Originally Posted by Volo

Ok, Nerwen is the one I find the most suspicious of those who have votes and will vote for her to save McCaber if I can't agree with someone on a more suspicious character. Due to so much submarineing, I don't feel confident about there being a Wizer in the voted lot.

Originally Posted by Volo

++Nerwen
This is a bandwagon. McCaber and Pom are less suspicious and they're up to 3 votes, so this is to counter that. Also, lots of talk, little reasoning.

There's a lot of flip-flopping about here. But this bit might actually be the most likely attempt to save Pom. But...would a wizard really do it this way, actually talking about saving her?

#205 - appears to suspect Rikae on the grounds of influential posts yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Volo

General chronological observation:
Cop #52 "There's more of us than any can count." This doesn't feel entirely genuinely said. Numbers feel like an advantage against the Wizers.

It's a reference to the narration.

Anyway, I'm finding it hard to pick out the wizzards. Roughly in order, these are my current suspicions.

Suspicious:

- Volo, for the attempt to save Pom and a number of inconsistencies before he voted.
- Morsul, for a few odd things throughout toDay and yesterDay.
- Gil, for going for me toDay on grounds I don't think make any sense.
- Nog, for vote placement yesterDay.
- McCaber for a number of things mentioned in post #218.

Uncertain:
Boromir
Shasta
Bane
Nerwen
A Little Green
Kath
Rikae

Feeling relatively good about:
Loslote
Brin
Sally

And then there's Ozban, whom I somehow seem to have forgotten about almost entirely until now. Epic failure on my part, how could I do that...

Edit: crossed with Nog, Rikae.

[Coppermirror]

At the moment, the people I'm considering voting for are Volo, who has the most inconsistencies, and maybe Ozban or Morsul. Ozban's sudden votes look very fishy to me, and there are a number of things that worry me about Morsul. I don't think I'll vote Nog. I am a bit concerned about Gil but unless someone has a good argument, I don't think I'll vote for him toDay. I'm still suspicious of McCaber, but I don't know if it's enough to vote for him.

Ozban

#87, #91 - concerned about Gil's vote, finds him suspicious.

Says nothing else that I can find until

Originally Posted by Ozban

++McCaber
I dislike his vote, rather too convenient and opportunistic. And his input up to that strikes me like attempt to make himself seen, yet adding nothing of value. Still we are at Day1 and I never played with him.
As to my previous doubts of Gil. I'd rather watch him somewhat longer. But still is high on my list 'to inspect'.

#158 - finds Nog's vote suspicious.
#200 - turns up with analysis of Morsul and a Morsul vote. It's not a bad analysis, but I am left wondering what his opinions about other people are, and I'm not sure it's enough for the vote. I really would have liked to know more about what he was thinking. He hasn't been one of the most talkative players, by any means. Both times, his vote has been sudden. That worries me the most.

Edit: crossed with Kath.

[Coppermirror]

Current vote tally, correct me if wrong:

Nerwen -> Nogrod
Ozban -> Morsul
McCaber -> Rikae
Brin -> Volo
Lottie-> Morsul (2)
Gil -> Volo (2)
Rikae -> Ozban
Inzil -> Ozban (2)
Kath-> Morsul (3)
Morsul -> Ozban (3)

So we have a tie between Morsul, and Ozban.

Yet to vote:
Coppermirror
Nogrod
Greenie (or did I miss something?)
Bane
Sally
Boro (absent)
Shasta (absent)

And around about now I really have an urge to vote for Boro. But won't, because he isn't here.

Okay.

++ Ozban

Edit: correcting highlighting

[Coppermirror]

I'm having a lot of trouble toDay. Or in more appropriate troll-speak, blimey, them wizer's schemes ain't half givin' me an 'eadache.

It's troublesome that whether Rikae is innocent or not, this has taken up so much of the Day for so many people. With the numbers we're dealing with it's already hard (for me, anyway) to give each the attention and analysis that's needed.

So, since I'm not going to have time to look in depth at everyone, I'm going to pick Boro because of some suspicions I have about him and because I want to see if that stacks up to the facts. It'll help me out a lot if he responds to my question at #343.

Boro-analysis/summary

Day 1:

#70 - Doesn't like my vote for him, for fairly obvious reasons. Says that Morsul's is less bothersome because there's a clear line of logic and can see what he's thinking.

#86 - Thinks Gil is looking in the wrong place and hence would vote Gil if it came down to Gil vs Nerwen. But doesn't seem to really suspect Gil, given knowledge of Gil's style. Thinks wizards may be leaping at an offered redshirt.

- Top suspicions are me, for my vote for him, and Brin, for her vote for Nerwen. Feels reluctant to vote for people who won't be back before deadline. A bit suspicious of Nog for being noncommittal. He states he doesn't want to see Nerwen, Gil, or Rikae lynched that Day, and gives reasons.

#133 - Says there is a counter-Cop wagon to bus McCaber to the front. (Bus? I thought that was a term used for wolves. Will go and check the definitions post.) Anyway, he comments on how little hard evidence there is and how the voting will be revealing toMorrow. (Not particularly helpful, but not suspicious either.)

#136 - Votes for me, saying he doesn't see his mind changing and "so might as well go now and see what shakes out".

Day 2:

#162 - Thinks that Sally looks best, and that Shasta, Inzil, and Lottie look fairly good too. I'm also inclined to think that the latter two look reasonably good on the info so far, but am not so sure about Shasta.

Thinks that the Pom-voters look clean and that those who tried to put forward other candidates - Volo, Nog, and Ozban - look worse. Not listing himself as someone who also tried to go for another candidate after Pom's slip. Out of the three listed there, two are proven not to be wolves. Of course, a lot of other people also thought that non-Pom voters were suspicious.

Did not show up for the rest of the day or to vote, for accepted RL reasons.

Day 3

#278 - Begins analysis.

Suspicious of Greenie for subtle steering attempts and hypocrisy. Thinks she should still have strong suspicions of McCaber. Thinks Bane looks okay so far. Thinks Brin on Day 1 wasn't as bad as he thought, and that her reasoning looks honest on Day 2 although he doesn't agree with her trust of Greenie.

#307 - rest of analysis.
Coppermirror - still dislikes my vote, but thinks he could just have revengeful feelings, and thinks Pom's vote and reaction doesn't fit with interpreting me as a wizard.
Gil - doesn't think a wizard Gil would be laying things on so thick.
Inzil - thinks he looks innocent. Personally I think Inzil looks more likely to be innocent too.
Kath - nothing much to say.
Lottie - thinks looks as good as Inzil, but notes that she could be a wizard who was leaving her options open.
McCaber - Argues against some of the points people brought up as suspicious about McCab. Says Greenie's reaction at some times was not good, and Nog's was worse.
Morsul - opinion same as on Day 1.
Nerwen - says little about her.
Nogrod - sees red flags. Thinks might be a wizard who was trying to look like a cobbler.
Rikae - leaning innocent towards her. Makes another point about Greenie.
Sally - thinks looks innocent and making good votes.
Shasta - thinks Shasta wouldn't vote for a teammate when he wasn't under threat or in particular need of looking innocent. (I disagree, based on the first game I played with him. Even so, he did give the deciding Pom vote this time, which is a much more serious situation.)

#320 - speculates about self-voting Rikae's intentions. Thinks she may be trying to protect someone. Considers possibility that she might be trying to stop her packmates from trying to save her.

#323 - responds to Greenie's statement (which said that Boro's looking bad but she won't elaborate yet).

#335 - responds to Greenie and says he'll be waiting for her eventual explanation.

So, overall, it's Boro's Day 1 vote which makes me suspicious, because it looks like a possible attempt to save Pom and he hasn't commented much on his reasoning. (Granted, Nog also looks suspicious on those grounds.) That aside, I find that some of his opinions are reasonable, and that that makes him less suspicious than I thought. It doesn't convince me completely, but it does mean that until I see more of Boro and get some more info, I won't be voting for him. I'm also very curious about the kerfuffle between him and Greenie toDay.

Edit: cross-posted since #363. And spelling.

[Ozban]

I have just about thirty minutes, so I'll have to make this fast.

I have been looking at Morsul's post so far, and I'm pretty sure I will vote him tonight. But before that I'll review his actions up to now, from my point of view.

First: post #8 Seems like looking over all our personal playstyles from his point of view. Activity, but really unhelpful. And no banter on page full of banters, builds seeming of genuine desire to help, but the substance is missing. Additionaly Pom is the only one marked suspicious in this post. Is that maneuver to build distance in between himself and a packmate?

Second: post #16

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I certainly feel odd being the least IC on the first page

Could be interpreted as "look at me, Im actually the only one not bantering, but showing some real effort". Suspicious declaration. Well Mors, sorry, but you have done nothing helpful up to that point. Let's see what's next.

Third: post #22

From "tends to be suspicious" to "genuine suggestion". Ok, hardly a proof but if we consider, for the sake of argument, that Mors is a Wizz, then this post is really understendable, but also intresting.

Fourth: post #24

Seeing Kath as cobbler? This could be passed as confirming reception of cobblers hint, or pointing to cobbler in attempt to start cob-hunt having wizzers a free time as a result.

Fifth: doublepost #59
and #60

Reminding everyone of Kat, voting her, and signing off. Very safe vote, since nobody would actually vote Kat with such a weak evidence. Nice way to avoid the last-minute mess, staying under radar in the process. And that's for his participation in Day1

I had only limited time to look at Mors's toDay/Night's posts. His recap is intresting, but did not tell me much, at least not anything new.
Lottie's post #169 is something I totaly relate to. It seems like Mors-Wizz slipping unintentionally.

I like Nerwen's analysis of Pom's panic (#168). My thoughts, when I voted followed the line of Nerw's point 3. It seemed almost clear to me. Now as you summed it up, i'm not so sure anymore. But certainly McCab-wizz is a distinct possibility.

As for suspicions againt me, I understand them, I find Nog's vote suspicious and I can be obviously suspected for similar reasons.

Most likely not gonan appear before deadline, I'm gonna celebrate with friends.
Therefore:

++Morsul the Dark

I hope I made my reasons clear up above.

X-ed since #198

[Brinniel]

Looking Innocentish
Sally
Rikae
Copper
Greenie
Shasta

Feeling Okay About
McCaber
Inzil
Loslote

Not Sure
Nerwen
Morsul
Gil
Boromir
Kath

Will Keep an Eye On
Nogrod
Bane

Looking Suspicious
Volo
Oz

X-ed with Greenie

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Brinn

Looking Suspicious
Volo
Oz

Originally Posted by me

And I have a nagging feeling that we might well be dealing with a wolf pack of, say, Brinn, Volo and Ozban.

[Inziladun]

I still get confused, but we're in Night 2 now, right?

So anyway, looking at yesterNight's voting:

Cop--> Boro (1)
Morsul--> Kath (1)
Brinn--> Nerwen (1)
Gil--> Nerwen (2)
Cab--> Cop (1)
Pom--> Cop (2)
Rikae--> Cab (1)
Greenie--> Cab (2)
Me--> Pom (1)
Ozban--> Cab (3)
Lottie--> Pom (2)
Boro--> Cop (3)
Volo--> Nerwen (3)
Sally--> Pom (3)
Shasta--> Pom (4)
Nog --> Cab (4)

Gil's vote looks like a potential easy bandwagon attempt.

Pom's vote makes it unlikely Cop is a Wizard.

Rikae's vote for Cab looks fairly clean.

Greenie's vote could be seen as bandwaggonish, but she reasoned it pretty well.

Ozban put Cab in the lead, and his vote looks worse than the first two.

Lottie followed me, which to me makes her an unlikely fellow of Pom's. There was just no reason I can see that she would have done that as a mate.

Boro's vote for Cop tied him with Cab. The rules state the first person to get the highest number of votes is lynched. If Boro
is a Wizard, he must have counted on someone helping him there.

Volo went for Nerwen, tying her with Cab and Cop. What I said about Boro applies, except that this to me indicates that Boro and Volo aren't likely to both be Wizards, assuming both knew the rule about ties.

Sally put Pom at three also, which gave us a four-way tie, with Cab the lynchee at that point.

Shasta put Pom in the lead, which looks pretty solid for him.

Nog put in a late vote for Cab, tying him with Pom. Could have been a last ditch effort to save Pom, maybe hoping for someone else to follow him.

Just based on the votes, Nog looks the lost likely to have tried to save Pom, followed by Boro, and lastly, Volo.

x/d with all since #202

[Nogrod]

A nice 12-hour workday is over and I need to make groceries and make some very-late dinner... but just a fast eyeing of the thread reveals some people seem to be questioning my vote late on D1 - and even voting for me based on it.

So just trying ot make a few things clear before that behaviour becomes too far-spread.

Those who have played with me know well enough that when a wolf I have no problem throwing a mate under a bus if it makes me look good in the early stages of the game (I know the seers oftentimes want to check me so that kind of an "heroics" might just postpone the seer for looking at me too early).

So why on earth - if I were a packmate of Pom - did I do what I did? That would have been soo unnecessary an attempt (the possibility of it going down the drain aka. Pom getting lynched anyway would have been high indeed while risking myself) while the other option (making sure Pom gets lynched and I get the glory for it) would have been so much more smoother. I would have been a very stupid wolf

But as I didn't know whether Pom was a wolf or not - or whether anyone else is or is not - I had no other chance but to work on my own suspicions and hunches. Like we all trolls must.

So I was pretty much okay seeing Pom lynched as I suspected her somewhat (well you rarely are "okay" with a lynch on D1 when everything is such a mess), and as the first one to have gathered the four votes at that point she would be on the chopping block anyway, whatever I would vote unless someone came forwards at the last moment... and that's what I wanted to see, that if there would be a prince Charming to come for her rescue at the last moment. That could have been a jackpot (not that I trusted it would happen, but with my vote I created a chance for it).

Okay.

More later as I get home and get something to eat.

[Gil-Galad]

I feel like I need to point this out and ask for others to keep an eye on it, but something is bugging me about Brin and Nerwe. Just that Brin voted Nerwe, then when I voted the same I got the most attention. I had to explain my reasoning later to defend myself since I couldn't say "Its a secret test" at first which would ultimately defeat the secret part of the test. Now Brins posts for toDay are giving Nerwe all her trust and making my vote be the bad guy.

Could be that it bugs me more then it should, but past players know that my gut usually has a good chance of being on to something and getting me killed in the end.

Xed with Cab