TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Thinlómien]

So, copypasted from Nerwen:

A Little Green ––> Boro
Lottie ––> Lommy
Bom Tombadillo ––> Self
Galadriel55 ––> Lommy (2)
Inziladun ––> Eönwë
Rikae ––> Inziladun
Sally ––> Eönwë (2)
Eruhen ––> Lommy (3)

...nice. I don't know where all this suspicion on Eönwë came from (to me he looks pretty harmless this far), also I find the size of the bulk of suspicion piled on me (ok I'll phrase it less poetically next time!) confuses me too. I can understand Lottie, who's been suspecting me quite consistently (although misguidedly), an even G55 follows a sort of line of thought but Eruhen? Where did that come from? That was pure bandwagoning, methinks.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Lommy, which of my points seem "weird" to you?

Mostly it's this one: that the wolves would be afraid to give the villagers ideas. We have less knowledge than them (at least about who's who, possibly about the acolyte too if s/he's for example a sort of cursed), there's quite many more of us than of them and 90% of the time it's them who scheme and lie and do false reveals and stuff, not us. So it's unlikely they can accidentally give us ideas that we haven't thought of yet (because there are more of us thinking) and which we can put to use (because we are not likely to make some schemes including falsehoods that would profit from a prior speculation in any specific direction, also as we don't know who's who we have much harder time making a whole picture of the game). Furthermore, if a wolf said something that profited the village, s/he would immediately look more innocent to many, so it might even be a good idea for them. So I don't see why the wolves would be afraid of giving us ideas.

Then there's also your focus on mostly Legate-Zil back-and-forth (which ok maybe isn't a "point"), which feels sidetracked to me, maybe intentionally so. I don't understand how it became the major issue for toDay. (And this is not directed to just you, but to everybody.)

Originally Posted by Pitch

Legate, one thing I'd like to be clear about - if, as you say, you weren't accusing Zil when all this started, are you accusing him now or is your insistence merely scientific interest in his thought processes?

Originally Posted by Shasta

This is an awfully fervent announcement. I'm curious now, Lommy, of what you think of Bom's self-vote.

You need to ask? Sorry, Bom, but your vote was ridiculous. If you're innocent, you're just playing for the wolves by 1) intentionally voting an innocent, 2) making an enigmatic vote which makes it harder for us to figure out whether you're innocent or not. You don't always have strong suspicions but you always have some, and you just have to act on them and stand behind them, even though you are wrong sometimes. Voting randomly (including randomly voting self) is just cowardly. Lastly, a piece of advice - next time remember you might not have been in danger of getting lynched but making a vote like that may make that danger actual by making people want to vote you.

End rant. If I put my principles aside, Bom's vote is not really anything I can make conclusions on, because it all comes down to whether Bom would dare to do something like that as a wolf or not. I don't know him well enough to say. (In this kind of cases, though, I tend to give people the benefit of doubt ie. assume their daring.)

Originally Posted by Shasta

Okay... Lottie's post was pretty obviously a joke to me, given that it's Lottie (and given the wink smiley.) So you're thinking it's Lottie, not Inzil who looks weird there? But I thought you were just thinking it was Inzil (see above)? If that's the case, then you look like you're scrambling to make the same evidence fit a different theory now that your first one's been debunked, if that makes sense. Right now, that looks bad.

You quoted me yourself in an earlier post:

Originally Posted by me

I'm not sure which is worse, Lottie pointing it out as a suspicious passage, or Zil implying it's a good point.

To me, they both looked suspicious in the beginning.

Lottie for making a playful (and thus easy to drop) accusation - I don't care if it was a joke, what matters is that she said it and she can't have been unconscious of the fact that she was portraying in a suspicious light something other people may latch on later. I do the same sometimes, I see something that looks a little like a slip to me and that I find funny, so I jokingly quote it - but I wouldn't draw attention to it if I found it 100% unsuspicious. That's why I think suspicions like that are never fully jokes, even when presented playfully.

As for Zil, I thought he read Lottie's playful accusation as a good point and was commenting on that when he said that it has now be proven something can be made out of the acolyte discussion. Turns out I was wrong, and he was referring to something else, so my suspicion on Zil based on the Pitch-Lottie-Zil was totally misguided as there was no Pitch-Lottie-Zil incident (except in my imagination), it was only a Pitch-Lottie incident. However that doesn't mean I'm not suspicious of Zil in general, because he has been acting weird [use of word intentional ].


edit: xed with Shasta's last, Nog and Steve