TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

See my point? It's impossible to avoid using weird/odd/strange to describe unusual/suspicious behavior.

I know, I use them too. But to use the same one like 5 times in the same list? All these people can't feel exactly the same to you, can they?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Be active.

Yessir.

I have ~2hours before bedtime, and I have little work left, so I can participate a bit more actively... possibly. If I don't procrastinate.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So, Rikae is saying that Legate is right in stating that there should be conversation (defending the Acolyte discussion), and that she disagrees with the way Zil & Bom post empty posts (aka posts that don't get us any further, I guess?)

Eönwë is saying that he doesn't like the way Zil turned the Acolyte discussion into a meta discussion - whether that is true or false as I'm not sure it was Zil (or him alone) who turned the discussion off the Acolyte (or whether it was bad that Acolyte discussion finally ended).

But "piling onto easy suspicion in the Legate - Inzil case"? Nope.

I do think that Eönwë seemed to leap at the opportunity, but now he's backed off somewhat. Rikae seemed less serious about it from the start.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

To me those doing it are the ones who jump on it (the "controversy" between the two) and parrot things like "that is the interesting thing toDay" - implying that we should concentrate on them. That's "piling up" for me. Pointing at that discusiion as being the one to pay heed to (while ignoring other possibilities).

I agree, that would indeed be a good place for baddies to hide. I still think Steve seems suspicious, though.

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Love to Nogrod for

, this relatively new linguistics student got all excited about that point. I think that sounded genuine, though I haven't played with this active Nogrod and I'm assuming he's just the same when he's a wolf. Just as convincing, that is. And I actually do think that there was enough discussion on random votes so that any will now seem relatively suspicious.

(emphasis mine)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but could you clarify what you meant by the bolded bit?

[Galadriel55]

Somehow my reply to Lottie was eaten up. I am being kicked out from my computer, so I'll repost it later. For now, though -

Originally Posted by Lottie

But I had noticed it. I just hadn't posted about it yet. When Rikae asked, I figured I might as well flesh out my concern about the post.

This doesn't make sense to me. Am I the only one, or does this really make no sense? If you noticed, why did you make a suspicious post? Or if you only noticed later, why didn't you comment "yet"?

I'll elaborate when I get my computer back.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A Nogrod-style (i.e.: late night ) post from me, then bed, then probably waking up tomorrow and posting rather shortly before DL (with vote).

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Legate, one thing I'd like to be clear about - if, as you say, you weren't accusing Zil when all this started, are you accusing him now or is your insistence merely scientific interest in his thought processes?

Rather the later. If I wanted to be honest, I would say I *am* suspicious of him now: however, there is little of what one would call "wolfiness" about him. I mean, he is not manipulating people or stuff like that, he is just totally weird. Now, with his last post in which he basically did nothing but quoted me, he did not still answer my question - even though he tried, apparently! He answered with the very same thing we all know already and which he had said already four times over. We know what you meant by saying that acolyte discussion blah blah, Zil, but all I wanted to hear is why you had been proposing focusing instead of debating the Acolyte on catching Wolves, yet failed to lead by example, or if not lead, then at least try! I wonder which part of that have I not made clear enough...
Okay, I'd say let's forget that, if it were not for the fact that it is one of the most "important" (standing out) things you have said and that it does not make any sense...

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Weird is a pretty common Lommyism. I know, because I've harped on her before to stop using it if she's suspecting someone.

(bold my emphasis).

See my point? It's impossible to avoid using weird/odd/strange to describe unusual/suspicious behavior.

Again. He is being too nice, if he is all right, I will eat my shoe, seriously. Normal Boro attacks people. This Boro defends people. No. It is incredibly stupid to suspect people based on that they are nice and such, but it was the very same Boro who had told me last time (after the game when I suspected him and then backed off and failed to lynch him) that I should not give up on this lead... so I won't. Nice Boro is most likely a Wolf. Normal Boro tends not to smudge honey all over you.

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

I agree with Boro seeming slightly less aggressive and energetic than the last time I played with him, enough to seem non-usual. Hence I feel that Greenie's vote was understandable and that makes her send positive vibes for me. Also this kind of non-explained but apparently with some reason behind it -vote seems rather like her.

Okay, this is the first time I play with Pomegranate (whoever you are), but I must say I'm impressed by the either incredibly sharp or incredibly overconfident insight into Boro, since I would sign it (I mean: I know how innocent Boro tends to act based on dozens of games, not sure how many games Pomegranate might have been in, but it certainly cannot be much). That said, impressed does not rule out eventual suspicion (and does not rule out that both our suspicions of Boro are completely off after all), but for the time being, I will just stop at the "impressed" part.

Otherwise... I think that's about what I have to say right now. Still feeling very good about Rikae (probably on top of my "trustworthy" list now), otherwise what I said... so I shall pop up before DL.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, this is the first time I play with Pomegranate (whoever you are), but I must say I'm impressed by the either incredibly sharp or incredibly overconfident insight into Boro, since I would sign it (I mean: I know how innocent Boro tends to act based on dozens of games, not sure how many games Pomegranate might have been in, but it certainly cannot be much). That said, impressed does not rule out eventual suspicion (and does not rule out that both our suspicions of Boro are completely off after all), but for the time being, I will just stop at the "impressed" part.

Last game was Pomegranate's first, as far as WW here, although I believe she said she was familiar with the premise of the game. Anyway, she definitely was in the "impressed me" group...oh maybe I shouldn't say that...makes me too nice still.

Was not one of the frequent posters, but when she did it was always stocked to the brim with insight and good observations. Ahh, again, I really need to stop this complimenting thing...eh whatever, it's the truth.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

If I wanted to be honest, I would say I *am* suspicious of him now: however, there is little of what one would call "wolfiness" about him. I mean, he is not manipulating people or stuff like that, he is just totally weird. Now, with his last post in which he basically did nothing but quoted me, he did not still answer my question - even though he tried, apparently! He answered with the very same thing we all know already and which he had said already four times over. We know what you meant by saying that acolyte discussion blah blah, Zil, but all I wanted to hear is why you had been proposing focusing instead of debating the Acolyte on catching Wolves, yet failed to lead by example, or if not lead, then at least try! I wonder which part of that have I not made clear enough...
Okay, I'd say let's forget that, if it were not for the fact that it is one of the most "important" (standing out) things you have said and that it does not make any sense...

This is my final word on this matter.

Legate, I didn't have to "lead by example" to move things away from the Acolyte: it happened on its own, and people started reacting to the two of us instead. I really didn't see it as all that complex.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, this is the first time I play with Pomegranate (whoever you are), but I must say I'm impressed by the either incredibly sharp or incredibly overconfident insight into Boro, since I would sign it (I mean: I know how innocent Boro tends to act based on dozens of games, not sure how many games Pomegranate might have been in, but it certainly cannot be much). That said, impressed does not rule out eventual suspicion (and does not rule out that both our suspicions of Boro are completely off after all), but for the time being, I will just stop at the "impressed" part.

I've played one game with Pom/Nate, and she was innocent then. She proved herself to be a sharp player indeed.

That said, it's funny how the one post from her thus far was such a parroting of suspicion on someone who already has a vote.

x/d with Lottie, Boro, and G55.

[Inziladun]

Bedtime soon, and I'll have to vote shortly, as my waking-up time is right about DL. Pity, because there are many that have been here toDay very little or not at all.

I think I'm leaning toward Eönwë. Despite what Nog said, it did look to me as if he was opportunistically latching onto Legate's apparent suspicion of me.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

So my issue with the last one: Lottie, you're saying that you agree with Nog that your first (quoted) post looks bad, and that you've noticed this before. Well, if you have, why did you wait to say so, and then come out and say that you did know it? And why did you write a post that looks badif you realised it looks bad (this is against all the logic of the game)?

Popped back on - Girl's Night was cancelled after all - and G55, I now understand your confusion. I didn't say that I'd noticed Nog's point before I posted about it. I meant that I'd noticed my point about you before I posted it.

EDIT: And now I'm really off. Good hunting, all!

[Bom Tombadillo]

*sigh* Well, I'd say that I'm off for a bit and will return before bed with a vote, but I know how this works. I'm going to get caught up in whatever else I end up doing and forget to vote.

So. I've still got no suspicions great enough to act on, and I don't seem to be in danger of being lynched.

++Bom Tombadillo

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

*sigh* Well, I'd say that I'm off for a bit and will return before bed with a vote, but I know how this works. I'm going to get caught up in whatever else I end up doing and forget to vote.

So. I've still got no suspicions great enough to act on, and I don't seem to be in danger of being lynched.

++Bom Tombadillo

Nilping yourself, eh? I suppose that's an understandable out for a pressed-for-time innocent not wanting to hit a Gifted, but it also could be an easy ploy for a wolf. For the moment, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

x/d with Lottie

[Galadriel55]

So, anyways -

I've reread Lottie's posts and there really isn't that much suspicious stuff. There's only 2 things (out of all the mountains of suspicion) that don't look good to me: the post Nog talked about, and her last one. Here they are:

Originally Posted by Lottie

This caught my eye when she posted it:

Considering that this is actually one of the more productive Day Ones in recent memory, this feels like G55 trying to stall useful discussion by writing it off as "oh, well, this Day is doomed to be non-productive, too bad".

Other than that, though, nothing she's said really stood out to me.

Originally Posted by Nog

But something I feel uneasy with her is in her post where she answers Rikae about G55. It is kind of, how would you say it, like a child who wants to play nice for mom even if she hasn't been good lately. When mom asks, she immediately answers - finds an answer she hasn't herself picked up before but is kind of "good enough" to be an answer, and gives it just like that. And then mom pats her head and doesn't ask nasty questions any more.

Originally Posted by Lottie

But I had noticed it. I just hadn't posted about it yet. When Rikae asked, I figured I might as well flesh out my concern about the post.

So my issue with the last one: Lottie, you're saying that you agree with Nog that your first (quoted) post looks bad, and that you've noticed this before. Well, if you have, why did you wait to say so, and then come out and say that you did know it? And why did you write a post that looks badif you realised it looks bad (this is against all the logic of the game)?

Though the last point - illogical as it is - points to Lottie's innocence rather than guilt, because, as with Zil, I don't think a wolf would deliberately say such a thing that would put him/her into the light.

For now I decided I'm not voting Lottie toDay. It's too easy to lynch her. There's too much unreasonable suspicion. Lottie's posts tend to be more loosely-worded than other players', and thus more easy to manipulate. (This might be the issue with what I quoted above too.)

Originally Posted by Lottie

Then why isn't it? I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were said every game. It would just be normal. Part of the reason it's so odd-looking is that it is, in fact, abnormal. Just because it 'needs to be said', according to you (which I disagree with, by the way - if a bunch of people post giant blocks of angry text about not randomly voting every game, no one will read them after the first few times. It will cease to have any meaning whatsoever) does not mean I am forbidden to comment on it when, for the first time in my memory, not just one but three people post about it.

Don't be so harsh. People need to rant . Werewolf rants are different in each game - random votes, submarines, last-minute scuffle... But usually there is, or rather, there are rants.

Edit: xed since my last.