Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Agan

However, there's still a chance she was a wolf... I wonder if we'll be forced to check her out in Mandos.

Oh yes, she so badly wanted to do that! I wonder if Rikae would allow that... anyway if Fea makes a seer reveal on the dead thread, we all know better than not to trust it.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh yes– did Nog somehow stop them checking his role? You know what that would imply.

Does not compute. What does that imply? But I get the point about voting to check people's alignments, I just didn't realise it had started already.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And Fea's death... let's not make the same mistake and leave the evidence of her being picked unanalysed.

Guess what I'm doing at the moment?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

anyway if Fea makes a seer reveal on the dead thread, we all know better than not to trust it.

I wouldn't be that quick to disregard the possibility of her being the seer.

Does not compute. What does that imply?

That he was worried about them finding out his alignment - which would point at his being a wolf. Of course the most sensible thing a basically known cobbler can do in Mandos is to be as chaotic as possible, so I don't know.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh yes, she so badly wanted to do that! I wonder if Rikae would allow that... anyway if Fea makes a seer reveal on the dead thread, we all know better than not to trust it.

Does not compute. What does that imply? But I get the point about voting to check people's alignments, I just didn't realise it had started already.

Three are dead and It was clear from Shasta's post. There aren't very many posts today and surely his are the ones were are all interested in. Rather suprised that you aren't.

[A Little Green]

Back at last.

Originally Posted by Agan

I like the fact that Greenie voted for Nog but not that she did it after Boro threatened to suspect her more if she had voted Nessa.

My vote for Nog had little to do with Boro's threat, since my reasons for wanting to vote Nessa were valid enough whatever he thought about them. Ending up voting for Nog was exactly as I put it: he was acting more strangely by the minute, while I figured a Nessa-vote would be pretty much a throwaway in any case. And speaking of Nessa, I'm not feeling any better about her toDay.

Originally Posted by Nessa

I also see why Greenie would suspect me, but I'm just being honest. After all, ordos have nothing to lose from honesty-we just have to find some wolves.

Agreed - but an admitted throwaway vote is hardly helpful in finding wolves.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hmmn. It is my feeling that a cobbler posing as the Seer is still more dangerous on the Living than the Dead thread. So I'm not sure the people who voted him after that look as bad as you think. I mean, the way things were going at that time, the alternative candidate was phantom (also as a supposed cobbler.) Though, I guess it's interesting that everyone appeared to see it as one or the other. I mean– why?

That is actually a very good point. I think a part of it was that - quite understandably - all the conversation revolved around those two, and people quite simply didn't come to think about anything else, especially at the very end of the Day with time running out. (Obviously, that was what whichever of the two is a baddie - Nog, basically - must have been aiming at.)

Argh. Still, I'm having doubts about Nog. His frustration with the village didn't seem faked. Basically he just has to be a better actor than I thought because looking at the actual content of his posts there's little chance of him actually being the Seer.


EDIT: x-ed with Lottie and two Agans

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Greenie

And speaking of Nessa, I'm not feeling any better about her toDay.

I've been having the same feeling about her for awhile but just didn't know what to make of it. The same applies for Elron and Wilwa. Maybe it's because all three are quiet and have been kind of slipping under my radar that I'm very leery of them. I think I'm going to take a closer look at all three of them.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Agan

I wouldn't be that quick to disregard the possibility of her being the seer.

If she was, she was extremely stupid to suggest the scenario of a wolf going kamikaze and making a seer-reveal on the dead thread.

Originally Posted by Agan

That he was worried about them finding out his alignment - which would point at his being a wolf. Of course the most sensible thing a basically known cobbler can do in Mandos is to be as chaotic as possible, so I don't know.

And he alone could convince innocent!Mänwë and innocent!Shasta to leave him be? I thought Nerwen had something more drastic in mind. I have the feeling someone's keeping information from me.

Originally Posted by Mith

Three are dead and It was clear from Shasta's post. There aren't very many posts today and surely his are the ones were are all interested in. Rather suprised that you aren't.

I didn't say I'm not. In fact, I think he could talk more.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Because you were one of his top suspects.

How does a cobbler's top suspect equal innocent? Or just trusting phantom's brainpower that much?


edit: xed with Boro

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

.

I didn't say I'm not. In fact, I think he could talk more.

No you didn't say but your posts show you didn't even bother reading to the second sentence of his only post!

Now the only reason I can think of for not scouring his every word is that he can tell you nothing new ie that you already know who is a wolf or not.

[A Little Green]

A quick look at Elra. DOES NOT include full quotes of all her posts, only the extracts I thought were or could be relevant.

Day 1

Anyhow. Most unhappy with not having a very good read on anybody yet.

Legate, Nog, and Agan are of course posting their usual tomes. Lommy seems a little more...confused...than usual. (Though who am I to talk about "usual", this being only my third game ever...) phantom is on my good side at the moment. Despite the incessant chatter (joke), he seems to be thinking things through in a more, erm, down-to-earth fashion than other tome-writers (sorry, Legate and Co.).

So Lommy is confused an phantom looks good.

This is the way my brain is working too... The train of thought goes: "Okay, we want to kill the baddies. But we also don't want to make malicious ghosts. Crap."

This tension between Nogrod and Shasta worries me somewhat. Hrmmm.

++Nogrod

Partly because Shasta's overreaction makes him seem innocent. And if Nog's not guilty, then he'll be a helpful ghost.

So, the tension between Shasta and Nog is worrying, Shasta's reaction looks innocent, so she votes for Nog. I'm not sure of the soundness of this logic (given how wrong innocents can be of each other), but for Day 1 it looks fair enough.

Day 2

Oh dear, oh dear. Poor Shasta.

I still don't know quite what to make of yesterDay. Manwe's been killed, for reasons beyond me. That whole Shasta vs. Nog thing was troublesome, and probably why Shasta got dead. Makes me worry about Nog. And phantom is a bother at the back of my brain. Something seems off about him, despite his sense-making. Or maybe that's just him. So many people in this game that I haven't played with before...this makes for an uncomfortable lack of predictability.

The first line looks fabricated, but then, I think that every time someone expresses misery over a Night kill. I'm not a fan of the tone of the second paragraph either, but can't really pinpoint what exactly is off there.

Dear me. I don't like any of this at all. Nog, the seer?!? What? Gah. He could very well be being truthsome, and tp etc. ganging up on him to distract. Or he could be trying to fool us all into going after tp, which people will undoubtedly be willing to do, considering phanty's verbosity. I simply don't know which faction is right. Both of them have been pinging my "uh-oh" radar. I may abstain today if this goes on much longer.

Looks like honest confusion, but I don't know how much can be read to that - after all, there's no reason why that situation would have been any less confusing to a wolf (unless either Nog or phantom is one, of course).

Abstaining. At this point om not going to change the outcome, and I don't think I can condone either side. Sorry, all.

Day 3

Only one post this far.

I agree with you on this. phantom still seems fishy, but not to the point of being wolfish. There are much better targets to be examined than him.

What caught my eye about Elra's posts is how her opinion on the phantom changes. Day 1 he feels good, Day 2 he seems off and has been pinging her "uh-oh" -radar, and Day 3 he still seems fishy but there are better candidates. Generally Elra's leaning more innocent than not. Her first post on Day 2 is slightly fishy, but other than that I caught nothing that would point to evil intentions.

[Glirdan]

Day 1

Post #79

First post of the Day and she says this:

And to move on to more productive matters.... This will be just as difficult for the wolves, yes? They won't know who it is they kill, so our information is equal.

A lot of...well...nothing...Nothing of true substance, nothing that is really, as she put it, "productive". She says things that have alredy been said or is just common knowledge.

Post #102

Again, nothing. A one line post saying she doesn't know who to vote for. Doesn't give any thoughts of her own on anything that was said up to this point, doesn't share her thoughts on anybody else. Nothing.

Post #138

Finally gives some thoughts of her own on something that Fea had said, more specifically about Fea's "Deadifying active players" plan. States that she will vote randomly and I quote:

my Day 1 vote will probably be random, and based on knee-jerk reaction, in a wonderfully useless fashion.

Then goes on to banter.

Post #147

Her vote post, voting for Legate (the first one for him of the Day) with this as her reasoning.

Because he voted me. And he's useful/won't muddy the waters in the dead thread.

and then goes on to say this:

Dear heavens, someone shoot me. I just made the worst vote ever, didn't I?

The one thing I like about this is that she did kind of follow through with how she was going to vote. I say kind of because she did give a reason for the vote, although it was out of pure spite.

Day 2

Post #323

First post of the Day. Responds to Legate, admitting her vote was a throwaway and says this to Greenie:

I also see why Greenie would suspect me, but I'm just being honest. After all, ordos have nothing to lose from honesty-we just have to find some wolves.

A valid enough answer and reasoning.

Aaand, Nog seems to be ruffling everybody feathers, and the whole situation makes me upset. This is more "aggressive" than I've ever seen him in my admittedly small number of games with him, but he doesn't seem to think that of himself. However, the distrust of the other players looks odd. Just plain odd.

I have no idea what to make of this. I wouldn't mind hearing an explanation from her on how everyone else's distrust of Nog is "odd". This is a game of Werewolf. It's what we do, distrust one another until someone is proven innocent.

And the whole Shasta stuff makes sense to me. I don't know who I'll vote. It won't do any good to toss my vote like yesterDay, since it wouldn't affect the lynch, but I don't want a double-lynch. That leaves bandwagoning.

Again, not sure what to make of this. I do know that I don't like this. It doesn't "leave bandwaggoning". Vote for who you think is guilty, not who everyone else is voting for.

Post #336

Votes for phantom because she believe Nog (this was before Agan snapped her trap on Nobbler) and then is gone the rest of the Day. I will give her credit for following her own gut instinct on this one instead of just following the masses.

All in all, I am not very fond of Nessa, she seems to be latching on to everything other people are saying and really only making her own decisions with her votes, which haven't been all that helpful either. I'm tempted to believe one of the following two scenarios: 1) She's a Cobbler or 2) a very confusing innocent.

EDIT: X'ed since last

[Glirdan]

Day 1

Completely absent (only remembered that the game started when she got a phone call from me reminding her).

Day 2

Post #228

Just saying she was here and getting caught up on everything.

Post #231

Quotes something from Boro and says that she would have said the same thing (and reading what Boro posted and the tone in which it was said, I could definitely see Wilwa saying the same thing).

Brings up a very good point about the voting:

Alrighty. So not much can be taken from Manwe's lynch, because we have no idea what he is. We can still suspect/trust people based on their votes (all votes, not just those for Manwe), but not in the usual way. Usually we can say "X voted for Y, who we now know is innocent, so...", but now it's more based on why they voted for people, so if they gave good reasoning, or if it seemed random, and so on. It's an interesting situation, cause now someone can look bad to us because of how they voted, but for all we know they actually voted a wolf (which would make them look awesome), but we don't have that knowledge. It's all just so crazy.

Thinks I don't look like a Wolf because of my "Last-time-Shasta-was-a-Seer" comment, but states that she could believe me to be a Cobbler but also says this:

Or Shasta's death is totally unrelated to Glirdy's comment, and more related to the fact that people seemed to like him a lot (though this doesn't exclude the possibility of Glirdy being a Cobbler, he could still have meant to hint at the Wolves but the Wolves just killed Shasta for a totally different reason).

Post #327

Focuses on Nog's Seer reveal, incling to believe him.

I am inclined to believe him. This would be a rather crazy bold thing for a Wolf, or even a Cobbler to do, on only Day 2. And I can understand why he felt he had to reveal, what with the Lovers in the position they're in, and people seeming to want to vote for him. Now he'll be safe for toNight, and then he can dream of people as they die, and hopefully the Ranger lasts for a while and can provide us with a bunch of those dreams later on in the game (even if it's just dreams of dead players, that's still super useful, cause it'll be information that we can use to find connections between people).

This is definitely a very logical statement, and one that I feel a Wolf or Cobbler would not make. I don't know why, I just feel like the statement screams innocent. I just feel like a Wolf and/or Cobbler wouldn't make a statement that bold or reveal a possible plan of attack.

Goes on to say that she would rather no lynch phantom.

Post #363

Says this in response to Agan's trap:

This is the bestest thing ever.

Post #368

Agrees with Angu (there, better then Toppins?? ) about feeling silly about trusting Nog and agrees that he is definitely not the Seer.

Post #372

Votes Nog

All in all, I'd say Wilwa seems fairly innocent to me. The tone of her posts and the way she's posting says innocent. The only downside is the frequentness of her posts....or I should say, lack there of.

EDIT: Xed since last...again

[Glirdan]

And Greenie just did the Elra analysis for me, which I will read up later, but for now, I must depart for supper. I also have a rehearsal I have to leave for in about two hours and will be there for three hours, so if I do not make an appearence before my rehearsal, expect me back afterwards for voting.

[A Little Green]

I have to go to sleep now. So I'm going to go for

++ Lommy

Because out of my current top suspects Lommy and Nessa, she's the one that I find a less likely innocent. She quite simply isn't herself at all, she's jumpy and nervous and making weird arguments.

Good night!

[Nessa Telrunya]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

[B]
I have no idea what to make of this. I wouldn't mind hearing an explanation from her on how everyone else's distrust of Nog is "odd". This is a game of Werewolf. It's what we do, distrust one another until someone is proven innocent.

I was referring to his distrust of the other players .

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Still, I'm having doubts about Nog. His frustration with the village didn't seem faked.

Even a baddie can be genuinely frustrated. Just saying.

I am actually feeling somewhat better about Lommy. She may be acting weirdly, but if she really was a baddie, why would she make a lot of noise about Boro 'hinting' at her? If she's a wolf who thinks she has found the cobbler, she won't try to lynch the cobbler. If she's a cobbler who thinks she's found a wolf, she won't try to lynch the wolf. If she's a cobbler who thinks she's found another cobbler, she won't try to lynch the cobbler. Think about it.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

This is definitely a very logical statement, and one that I feel a Wolf or Cobbler would not make. I don't know why, I just feel like the statement screams innocent.

The problem with wilwa is, she plays with an innocent mindset (just like I usually think from a wolf's point of view, which should explain my dangerous dead union comment or whatever it was). She can say something even if it might make things more difficult for her side, and as a result she always seems very innocent. So while I kind of agree it's unlikely a wolf would have said so, I wouldn't put it past wilwa.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I wouldn't think so. I mean, I don't think Fea was the Seer, and that doesn't mean that I myself am. And Fea wasn't the only one to distrust Nog's reveal. When it comes to Seer candidates, I'd think the wolves could have found stronger ones.

Yes, but the wolves can't know that. And Fea was one of the least inclined to believe Nog which says something.
I'm still not liking Lottie very much.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

(Nog's actions being such that I felt he knew he'd turn up 'not a wolf'). Manwe then came on and voted for himself, making it 2 for him and 1 for Nog.

He could still be a wolf though. That would be a reasonable course of action even for a wolf, and although I'm tending towards his being a cobbler, I wouldn't rule out wolvery either...
I am wondering about Mänwe now though. He rather proved his own non-wolvery to us than let us know Nog's role. Cobbler doing damage control? Not that I ever particularly suspected him, but that doesn't exactly look good on him.

I also told the dead thread to always vote for the lynched player for the role reveal - anyone killed by the wolves is by definition not a wolf, so a revelation of them is a waste.

This is probably a good idea. If the wolves want to kill one of their own just to fool us, they're one wolf down and I don't think it's worth it.
Does this now mean we'll never learn Nog's role, though?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

with so low numbers, the Cobbler can start making a mess in Mandos.

Not really. After today you'll have two known innocents in Mandos, and even though it isn't much, each innocent who ends up there will at least know whose intentions to trust to be true.

It's pretty late so I should probably do a quick list and then vote.

[Thinlómien]

Innocent
Shasta&Agan - obviously.
Elra - I can't really see much suspicious in anything she does. She seems genuine.

No idea
Greenie - hasn't rung any alarm bells except toDay. I'm trying to avoid being knee-jerky, but her vote for me seemed awfully like "hey let's pick a popular suspicion and see if it can be made into a bandwagon" especially as I really don't think she has a good reason to suspect me.
Nerwen - she could be anything! An innocent, a wolf or a cobbler trying a smoother approach... anything.
Wilwa - Glirdan's analysis made me really think her innocent, but after I wrote what I did about Glirdan (see below) I started to wonder if I have been talked into thinking this way. (I can just too well see a Glibbler spotting a Wolvarin and making an innocence promoting analysis of her.)
Legate - rather funnily, he's quite safely under my radar. I hope he's innocent, but I wouldn't dare to bet anything.
Anguirel - I thought him a cobbler yesterDay, toDay I'm not so sure. Yes, he might be misleading with all the talk about the dead thread instead of concentrating on more useful stuff, but I think that's probably just his style after all. He hasn't posted much toDay, though, so I think I need more to be certain.

Cobbler vibes
Glirdan - there's something funny about his manner, and his Day1 curiosities have been discussed lengthily enough for me to leave them out of here. Also, I can just so well see a cobbler trying to affect the village by posting analyses of people and intentionally interpreting stuff in a certain way.
Lottie - mostly based on her Day2 behaviour and possibly for defending Nog yesterDay whatever she says. Has been quite reasonable toDay, though.
phantom - like I've said before, the vibes he gives me are those of a cobbler trying to mess up with the heads of the villagers (not that he doesn't do that as an innocent ). But just all this misleading talk about the dead thread and wonderful-seeming strategies which have faults on closer look. I feel an innocent phantom would be sharper: not concentrate on minor things like the dead thread or make such non-waterproof startegies all the time.
Boro - I believe I have stated enough reasons for this.
Mith - I don't really like her way of intentionally misunderstanding me, plus her voting preferences have been seriously quite fishy this far: first the stab at a double lynch and yesterDay wanting to waste the village's chance of getting a wolf or a cobbler by voting BG.

Wolf vibes
Nessa - I haven't paid much attention to her, but everybody else seems to have done so and nothing I've seen people say about her makes me think her very innocent. I think either there's merit to all this suspicion flying around, or she's being attacked by cobblers and wolves because she's quite an easy target with those few quirky pieces of behaviour.
Sally - she hasn't been around much, but the little I've seen isn't entirely convincing. Where's the funny all-over-the-place-Sally we see most of the time? This solemnity is ill-befitting and makes me suspicious.


edit: xed with Agan and Legate

[Boromir88]

I'm sorry Lommy, when did I hint at you? I only said that I thought your paranoia was due to having your bororadar being flushed down the toilet because of the previous two games, but I wasn't going to write that off as the reason. Now supposedly I'm hinting to you? Umm...where? You came up with a completely bogus theory that I'm the cobbler because I said "steering" and that is close to "seering." Now you're just running with it declaring I'm a cobbler.

And quite frankly, I'm sick of the bogus suspicions that have been thrown all around by phantom, sally, Lottie and now you Lommy. Granted, I realize I'm totally an untrustworthy and tricksy person, and normally with just the baseless suspicions I ignore it. Maybe I should, but it appears to be happening all to frequently right now and by people who I wouldn't expect would just throw out indefensible accusations that can be summed up as...

"I have a fb impression of Boro" (Nog)

"Boro's suspicious. I'm voting for him." (sally)

"I think Boro looks the worst." (phantom)

"Boro said steering! That's like saying seering! Cobbler!" (Lommy)

Come on Lommy, you know I say "see" all the time and know that's never a seer hint, it's just a word I always use. Now apparently I can't say steer without it being some kind of hint.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm sorry Lommy, when did I hint at you? I only said that I thought your paranoia was due to having your bororadar being flushed down the toilet because of the previous two games, but I wasn't going to write that off as the reason. Now supposedly I'm hinting to you? Umm...where? You came up with a completely bogus theory that I'm the cobbler because I said "steering" and that is close to "seering." Now you're just running with it declaring I'm a cobbler.

And quite frankly, I'm sick of the bogus suspicions that have been thrown all around by phantom, sally, Lottie and now you Lommy. Granted, I realize I'm totally an untrustworthy and tricksy person, and normally with just the baseless suspicions I ignore it. Maybe I should, but it appears to be happening all to frequently right now and by people who I wouldn't expect would just throw out indefensible accusations that can be summed up as...

"I have a fb impression of Boro" (Nog)

"Boro's suspicious. I'm voting for him." (sally)

"I think Boro looks the worst." (phantom)

"Boro said steering! That's like saying seering! Cobbler!" (Lommy)

Come on Lommy, you know I say "see" all the time and know that's never a seer hint, it's just a word I always use. Now apparently I can't say steer without it being some kind of hint.

I'm not meaning to insult you by silly suspicion, but I think I had a fair enough point. If you say you believe someone is "steering" it looks too much like "seering". This is not to say you're stupid - quite the contrary, I can't come up with many subtler ways of hinting at the wolves you think somebody is the seer if you're a cobbler yourself. And everybody knows such a scheme is not past you by any means.

As for you hinting at me, well, that's what this (previously quoted) comment sounds a lot like:

Originally Posted by you

I actually feel quite good about Lommy, even with that completely erratic cobbler hinting thing that I supposedly did...? I think Lommy's just trying to recover from smashing up her bororadar from the last few games that she is forcing herself into seeing everything I do as some twisted evil plot, as a form of revenge. Even if I think she had a nice working bororadar. It just needed updating, like a 2.0 version, or Bororadar Premium Edition.

Basically the things you say are: 1) You feel good about me. 2) I think you're a cobbler. 3) I'm unsure because my bororadar is brokey. 4) In truth, my bororadar is fine (although it needs a little update). Ergo, you're saying my bororadar is fine when it says you're a cobbler, Or (hey, just realised, and this is even worse!) it's a bit off because you're not actually a cobbler this time - but a wolf? That's all rather fishy, says I.

That's quite a to the point summary why I think you're doing fishy stuff and it all adds up quite nicely to you being a Bobbler (yay to Greenie for the nickname!).

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Basically the things you say are: 1) You feel good about me. 2) I think you're a cobbler. 3) I'm unsure because my bororadar is brokey. 4) In truth, my bororadar is fine (although it needs a little update). Ergo, you're saying my bororadar is fine when it says you're a cobbler, Or (hey, just realised, and this is even worse!) it's a bit off because you're not actually a cobbler this time - but a wolf? That's all rather fishy, says I.

That's quite a to the point summary why I think you're doing fishy stuff and it all adds up quite nicely to you being a Bobbler (yay to Greenie for the nickname!).

No. What I said translates to. I feel good about you, even though you came up with this super far fetched reason to say I'm the cobbler. Oh, I forgot we must suspect everyone who suspects ourselves. No one who is innocent can ever be wrong.

So lemme be more blunt (and if this comes off as condescending I'm sorry now. I'm not insulted by anything you've or anyone else said). You were wrong then, you're still wrong now. Only then I wasn't going to hold it against you, because innocents especially can be wrong, and I thought you were trying to enact some playful Day 1 revenge since the last two times you've been wrong about my role. But now I see you're actually serious and this is worrying me. However you interpret from me saying "I feel good about you, even if you are wrong about me" as me giving you a cobbler hint and thinking you're a wolf, I haven't got a clue. And now you've turned my clear cobbler hint to you, into some kind of hint saying I'm a wolf?

You say I'm fishy? Really? Yet you've completely ignored baseless suspicions that are piling up against me. You don't think that's fishy? You're more thoughtful than this, Lommy. I hope you're a baddie, because I would hope an innocent Lommy wouldn't stand for the snow job against me right now, even if she was honestly suspicious of me for good reasons.

[satansaloser2005]

I'd like to officially add Bobbler to the glossary.


Okieday, kids, I'm back. I have many things to do while on the webs, but I'll read through the thread and try to make some sense from this chaos.

And Shasta? I'm glad to have you back, my defrosted darling. <3

[A Little Green]

Aganzir - Beren, obviously. I heart her for her trick yesterDay.
Shasta - Lúthien, obviously.
Glirdan - He struck me as a likely Cobbler early on, saying that Shasta behaved the same way he did as a Seer. I still think Glirdy might be a Cobbler though there hasn't been new points to that direction. So not sure.
Elra - I seriously want to take a look at her.
Nerwen - She's always difficult to read but I'm leaning towards an innocent Nerwen at the moment.
Loslote - Still leaning innocent.
Wilwa - Another I need a look at.
Legate - Nothing alarming this far, he seems his usual innocent self.
Lommy - Was suspicious on Day 1, okay on Day 2, and now my alarms are going off again. I think she's grasping at straws with her suspicion of Boro, and seems overall nervous.
Nessa - Another I feel bad about. Her Legate vote was fishy, and I'm not sure what to make of her phantom-vote either. Seems awfully easy to me.
Sally - I might want to take a look at her, too.
the phantom - Leaning innocent.
Boro - I don't have much on him, either way.
Mithalwen - Still baffles me a lot. Could be anything.
Anguirel - Likewise.

Argh. I'm not happy with how many people I have no idea about. The way this is going, my vote will probably be for Lommy or Nessa. I'd like to take a look at some of our less vocal players before voting though.


EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Glirdy

[satansaloser2005]

Master Phantom has been held up, and will not be back until later this evening.


And now back to the massive reread. I'm currently still on page three. Help me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Since someone had mentioned that a different code of lists might be interesting for a change (though personally, I have never been using the dull "black and white" scheme, but a more colorful one), I thought of this (and those who know, know):

belonging to the Coastal Seas:
Shasta and Agan - lovers

free-lands (innocent-looking):
Greenie

border-lands (not sure, but leaning more innocent):
wilwa
Mith - though I feel like she, too, has been omitted, at least by me; I have the feeling, however, that she hasn't been really commenting in much of a "relationship"-way, like, not expressing very much thoughts about particular players, but more like just always replying to somebody and voting in the way that it does not give much info either.

wilderness (unsure about):
Glirdan
Elronhubbard
Nerwen - I have actually looked through her posts, generally, but I cannot make up my mind on her now - will possibly need to check her again later when I feel more up to the task

double wildernesses (something in between these two): Boro, though now when I was looking back at the thread, I am somehow getting more suspicious of him because of his general behavior - he looks kind of more like hiding something, a bit sneaky in the general approach, sort of giving the feeling that he knows more than he should.

shadow-lands (Cobblers/Wolves):
Loslote
Lommy
Anguirel - who is actually more likely to be a Wolf than a Cobbler, but then, he is not as suspicious as those listed below

dark-domains (most likely Wolves, or more like Wolves than Cobblers):
Nessa
Phantom

Since Nessa has already gained a vote, I might go for her. But I'll see yet if I haven't crossposted with anybody or anything...

EDIT: no, I didn't.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, not going to speculate about it... also noting, now Lommy's last post actually did look a bit better to me (more like her normal self).

++Nessa

Good Night.

[Aganzir]

GUILTY
Green. She feels too smooth, if you know what I mean, and there's something fishy about her voting (she seems to be choosing the easy path). I am concerned about her.
ed. Slipping under my radar, except for the bad-looking first post on day 2 (incidentally, I think it was Greenie who first brought it up, or if not first she's the one I remember).
Lottie. Feels slightly off although not as badly as on day 1.
Boro. Out of him and Lommy, he looks worse. It does look like he was trying to hint at her, and now that she's suspecting him because of it, trying to save his face.

INNOCENT
sally. I thought her innocent on day 1 and little has changed since, mainly because she hasn't posted much. I could have put her down as 'Either' but I would have felt bad about my innocent list being so short.
Glirdan. Saying Shasta reminded him of Seertanis doesn't necessarily make him evil in my opinion. His posts look genuine to me... but I am incredibly bad at reading Glirdy.
Nerwen. Has done nothing to merit suspicion so she's here although I know how good a baddie she can be.
phanty. There are things which speak in his favour (his day 1 vote working to prevent a potential multiple lynch, his points against Nog yesterday, etc). I am not convinced of his innocence but he looks good enough for now, and besides he won't be my problem after today.

EITHER
Legate. Tending innocent, but his insistence about a cobbler lynch benefiting the wolves more than us is weird. Last time I played with him, I disagreed with him but he kept giving me really innocent vibes which hasn't happened in this game.
Lommy. I keep flip-flopping on her. I understand the people who say she isn't being herself... but she isn't that different either, and why would she bus Boro if she thought they were baddies together?
wilwa. Not enough substance to form an opinion. What I've seen looks innocent, but see what I just said about her a couple of posts ago - she's capable of fooling anyone.
Mith. I honestly don't know about her. She always looks innocent to me, but people have been suspicious of her voting etc so I'm not confident enough to consider her totally innocent.
Nessa. I don't see why all this suspicion, but she hasn't done much to make herself look innocent.
Angu. I wasn't able to decide where to put him so he's quite literally here. I find it impossible to read him. I'd like to go through his posts but I have to leave for class in nine hours and I'd also like to get some sleep.

DEAD
Mänwe. Innocent enough, but why did he vote for himself instead of Nogrod? I will probably learn this toNight, but it will be too late.
Nogrod. Cobbler or wolf.
BG. Assuming ordo for now.
Fea. Innocent.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

BG. Assuming ordo for now.

Then why the modly note at the end of yesterDay? Or did I miss something?


Sorry, kids, but I've given up on the epic recap. I'll work on a post to hop up with come toMorrow at Dawn (whatever thread I may be relegated to at that time) but for now I'll just hop in with commentary here and there.


As of now, I'll be voting for Nessa. She never really got better in my eyes. >.<

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Save more people or bring us more information? It’s up to us to decide which is more valuable.

No. If Glorfindel is killed now and comes back, there's very little new information he can give you and the wolves will grab the first opportunity to kill him for good. If he waits till later (before revealing, at least) till a lot more people are dead, he will be much more useful.

The seer dreaming the dead is just as useful as them dreaming the living. If we could figure out a way to keep a steady information flow, I think a dead seer could be just as useful as a living one.

Yes, at least when we're looking for connections between people. But if we want to lynch people, a living seer is better.

I’m not yet sure what I think about the whole Nog reveal thing

He was lying. You'll see why when you read further, but there's absolutely no way he was telling the truth.

Who are you and what have you done with Agan?

You mean, with the Agan who usually advises the gifteds herself?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't get why my thinking her innocent is so suspicious.

Because I think there's little reason to think her innocent, but I won't argue against gut-feelings.

Yes but even when she's here she's not funny. *grumble grumble*

Ahaha you're never happy now aren't you!

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Then why the modly note at the end of yesterDay? Or did I miss something?

Whatever she was, she isn't anymore.