Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Nooooo! What have I done? Forgive me, darling Mänluthien, I was too overcome with sorrow over poor Dobbin to think clearly.


I'm not sure. What does that involve, exactly?

According to Wikipedia, diffraction "refers to various phenomena which occur when a wave encounters an obstacle". Thus, clearly, your post is the 'various phenomena', you are the 'wave', and my realizing that Mänwe was Luthien was the 'obstacle'.

Or, in simple terms, I dunno.

[Anguirel]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...740680,00.html

"The horses were panicky". Well quite. Ai ai.

Yet perhaps horses will return, yet, to our rescue. An anthem sung of old by Muir of Himring hints at something of the kind... (http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-horses/)

The time is yet early and I wish attend to my steed's safe burial for some while yet, so I shall hold my tongue for a time. I shall leave behind only the observation that so much frippery and discussion of the Lovers - who are on our side - is at best noise that hampers our clear thinking, at worst, sabotage...

[Mithalwen]

Burial? I was thinking more of sausages..... and I think I shall pass on the cold water thanks all the same Loslote.. well I'll pop bakc in a bit...

[Nogrod]

Enter the stiff upper lip Finns to complain about there having been enough nonsense...

First of all, this is going to be a bloody mess as the roles will not be revealed in death. We will actually have only two kinds of partial information for certain.

1) those killed at Night were "non-wolves" (and if the wolves decide to kill only the quiet, under-radar players at Nights, we gain little or no actual info from that).
2) those who come back from death are either a lover or the ranger aka. a goodie (and we'll lose those pretty soon anyway).

Which brings us an interesting new facet to the game. We thirst and hunger for information that is reliable. And the only way to get something resembling reliable info is that which the seer can give to a lover or the ranger in Mandos - but that in turn means that the seer must die before lovers or ranger (which latter should really try to cling on to life only to die relatively late in the game). And that means also, that getting the lovers and the ranger dead will be the first priority of the wolves: if they die early their return will not help us that much (and a double-protection is not such a mighty weapon in a big village than later) as the living then lose their only shot at any tangible information.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do or how to play, but I do encourage the seer to consider what I have said (in case s/he hasn't done that yet).

Also, following Ang's suspicion, speculating about the lovers - even if it has been merely joking thus far - is not something we should keep on doing. Any hint the wolves get from that kind of discussion that leads them to try it out correctly means we lose two innocents, and especially early on, we lose a chance of learning something later.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so upon going through all people, I also made a list... but not sure if it is of much help in most cases. Most people have been either not saying much or not being around at all. I assume once I go to sleep, the Americans will come out of their hideouts, but well...

Shasta - not much of an info from the beginning banter-posts, so no idea
Nogrod - looks sort of like a classic Nogrod, for now, no special feelings of guiltiness nor innocence; I agree with him about Ang, though - of course unless he's saying it to support a fellow, then again, why would he do it already so soon in the game...
Aganzir - active, looks more like her innocent self (after the last game, I am becoming sort of more confident about trusting her... so hope it doesn't turn around!)
Glirdan - was he around at all?
A Little Green - ditto
elronds_daughter - not much info, is there..
Mänwe - basically popping in and not saying anything, but being well familiar with lynching him on Day 1s by my own hands, I am NOT going to do it toDay - there's been basically nothing he said, anyway
Nerwen - posted sort of in a typical Nerwen-y way, so I cannot say anything one way or the other
Loslote - like I said earlier, I'm getting very Cobblerish vibes from her. Though not sure if I want to vote her. Main reasons would be these: first, if she is a Cobbler, then I would really prefer to vote somebody who reeks more of Wolf. Lynching Cobblers in this game actually does not help much, quite the opposite, so here you go. And then, I am not sure when it was the last time when she ended up being voted for quite early, but I think it's been quite recently and that it comes pretty often. So I am sort of not wanting to do that lest I have really good reasons to. Which I don't, and see above.
Wilwa - no word from her
Legate - that's me
Lommy - that's her. Anyway, I think there is actually something rather awkward about Lommy, her comments don't seem like that of her usual self. She had once called me "a hog on laughing gas" (when I was innocent), so I think it's not unfair if I call her in return "running like a headless chicken", because that's exactly what it seems like. Still, wait to see what more comes out of her.
Nessa - her only post gives me a sort of "???" vibes, but nothing more than that. Again, too little info.
Blind Guardian - ?
satansaloser2005 - not much of an idea either
the phantom - his posts, after the initial nothing, actually suddenly started to be surprisingly substantial (which I would not have expected from him on Day 1) - and make me think fairly enough of him
Boromir88 - well of the "louder" players he is probably the only one who casts some shadow, in my opinion, his sudden "crusade against pessimism" and all that seems a bit like programmed to me, but maybe it just seems to me. But curious.
Mithalwen - given how much she is around, she had said very little. Sort of under the radar. I am watching her.
Anguirel - like I have said, not much experience with him; he seems active, but that of course can mean anything. Not probably voting him toDay, though - there are lots of other people who are not at least equally active. Active means that you can read something about him, so I might just as well go for somebody who is not as active.
Fea - not around, I think?

So then it comes down to, whom should I vote? One thing is, I can imagine the WWs now being more among the less talkative. Other thing is, that could be like voting randomly for one among several people, which I really dislike. I think this far I haven't ever voted randomly. So... yes, I will probably vote somebody of the quieter part, but who is at least a bit unsettling, or something. That could be for example Mith, though... bah. Well, okay, there will probably be thousands of other votes anyway. *scratches head* The biggest problem is anyway that we are not going to know... but what can we do. Patience, we must learn!

EDIT: x-ed with Mith, phantom, Nog and Agan

[satansaloser2005]

I'm here. Sorry, got rather kidnapped. Thinking about possibilities now....

Should we lynch Elra? If she's telling the truth, we can decide her picks based on our two top suspects, but if not we rid ourselves of an evil (direct or indirect). Just a quick think. :/


ETA: x'd. And Phantom, if you're going to say something, say it straight. I want to see it.

[Anguirel]

If we lynch Elrond's while her longbow is aimed at the phantom and she is truthful...good work. If she's not, we risk getting a cobbler, not a wolf

here are the two "models"

PHANTOM MODEL

phantom – Seer
Glirdan – Innocent
Boro – Hunter
Me – Glorfindel
sally - ?
Nerwen - ?
Green - ?
Elron – Cobbler/Wolf

ELRON MODEL

phantom – Wolf
Glirdan - ?
Boro - Cobbler
Me – Glorfindel
sally - ?
Nerwen -?
Green - ?
Elron - Hunter

if that helps...

[Anguirel]

I should add that, though it means have to swallow some gall for the millionth time today, I currently buy phantom's account more readily than Elra's. You are right, sally, in that lynching Elra does seem to be the best compromise in a way. But is a compromise what we need?

[satansaloser2005]

Sally's predictions

Glirdan: innocent-ish
Green: cobbler
Elra: hunter or wolf
Nerwen: wolf
Sally: ordo
Phantom: wolf or innocent
Boro: cobbler or hunter
Ang: gifted or wolf



Note that innocent=/=ordo. I have a crackpot idea about Phantom but I don't care to share. Nerwen is evil, period, and must die. I will also support a Greenie lynch.

Sorry I'm so direct and unexplanatory, but it's hard to do "proper" posts from my phone. :/

[Anguirel]

sally I've just understood your nickname - to do with having cake and eating it, right?

There's a third model we should mention in honour of the (probably) inglorious dead, the Nogrod model. It's the same as the Elron model but according to it Boro is the wolf and phantom the cobbler

sally, do you genuinely doubt my claim? It would preeetty helpful not to, you know. It's not like I can't prove it (if the wolves don't beat us very soon indeed). I came out of hiding - a comfortable place - because the camp needed a ranger to rally round, and I am that ranger. Or rather, elf-lord

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

And Phantom, if you're going to say something, say it straight. I want to see it.

Sorry, lass, but I wanted to give every opportunity to the baddies to sniff my move ahead of time and false reveal, as it would yield yet another piece to the puzzle, and I also wanted to see which way people were pushing before additional knowledge was added. It really irks me that during that whole time period no one showed up that really mattered.

Night 1 was Fea. Surprise, surprise. Her behavior is so counter to mine that I find her very difficult to read and often try and get her killed for the sake of convenience. This time I wished to break with tradition.

Night 2 was not Ang (on Day 2 I sort of had the impression that you believed I had dreamed you, where as that wasn't actually the case). Night 2 was Shasta. Flippin Shasta. I was more wary of him than I let on Day 1, which I thought would be a good tactic should I have found him to be evil. But of course I didn't. And perhaps this explains why I reacted as I did to Shasta's killing and the notion that he appeared to be a Lover. I took great offense to the idea as it not only insinuated poor play from Shasta but a stupid selection from me.

Night 3- that was you, Ang. The way you reacted to me the day before I actually thought would be quite a good tactical position for a Wolf (your comment to Fea about the two of you dying I thought stemmed from my belief in the innocence of the two of you). Then you could kill me at Night and say, "They probably thought he was the Seer due to him declaring me and Fea innocent" if you follow.

Night 4 was Glirdan. I wondered if he was using his certainty about Wilwa as a look-good shield. Nope, he wasn't.

Night 5 was Boro, hence my frustration with him.

I wasn't concerned with revealing much, as for one thing the village looked much larger before Legate and Wilwa were zapped, and for another thing I had Glorfy in my pocket. So long as he was alive I didn't greatly fear death, as he could carry my dreams back to the living and I could organize the Dead to hand an extra vote to the person who looked most likely to slay someone that I didn't know to be innocent. If the lynch mob had gone Ang's way yesterday I would've outed (as we would've been on the verge of losing my link), but as things worked out I just never saw a reason to, seeing as I had never at any point identified a freaking single Cobbler or Wolf (the primary root of my annoyance).

So, while I may have been a relatively bad Seer, I think my overall approach was quite good, and I feel this info gives us some hope. (I'm also rather hoping that either Nessa or Lottie was a Wolf, but we'll see I guess.)