Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Mänwe

Oh shush dearest, all is always forgiven, now come back to the bedroll.

Excuse me?!

Sorry, still reading, but that caught my eye and now I'm going to have to challenge Manwe to a duel.

[Mänwe]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Excuse me?!

Sorry, still reading, but that caught my eye and now I'm going to have to challenge Manwe to a duel.

Just playing my part

I'll pick the venue, you pick the weapons..

Now for the quiet ones-

satansaloser2005- A post, banter.Good.
Fea - two posts, general.Good.
A Little Green- three posts before voting, general, casts a number of doubts. backing, moderate or poor.
elronds_daughter- two posts, general. Was innocent last game after similar start.Good.
Glirdan- two posts, banter, third post general. Good. Much like Manwe.
Wilwa- no post, quiet as last game and turned out to be a wolf.
Nessa- two posts, general. turned out to be a wolf in the last game.veering, moderate or poor.

I'm going to vote, as I do;

++A Little Green

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

It's far too early in the game to be as overly malicious as that post was, and if I'm overreacting then I apologize, but...

I think you might be..he's fishing isn't he?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Shasta - is fully of shenanigans, but I'm not all together concerned that they're wolftastic ones. Reserve the right to change my mind. Not voting for him.

Nogrod - is observant and talkative. I approve of both things. Not voting for him, unless I decide he'd be super useful once Dead.

Aganzir - is pretty on top of seeing pros and cons in different courses of action. Worth keeping around because she offers prompt and honest critique of ideas.

Legate - seems coherent. Didn't set off any alarm bells and posts with enough content to keep me docile in terms of his life span.

Lommy - Ditto what I said about Legate.
the phantom - is offering ideas. Knowing him, the ideas are both solid suggestions and veiled tests. Also knowing him, we won't find out who passes or fails the tests. However, still knowing him, he's useful.

Boromir88 - amuses me. Speaks sense. Atta boy.

Mithalwen - Sensible. Concise. I love concision.

Anguirel - makes astute observations about the dynamics between players and rules. I'd like to keep him around purely because he rocks the logic.

Glirdan - ...
A Little Green - ...
elronds_daughter - ...
Mänwe - ...
Nerwen - ...
Loslote - ...
Wilwa - ...
Nessa - ...
Blind Guardian - ...
satansaloser2005 - ...
So obviously if I haven't formed an opinion, you're up for my vote. My general plan is to Deadify somebody that is active enough that they'll be useful Dead (as opposed to Deadifying somebody that will do nothing of value in the Dead Thread). So don't be surprised if I vote for somebody that seems active and rational: it's not that I want to kill awesome good guys, it's that I want to ascertain that the purpose of the Dead Thread isn't mucked up via us staffing its walls with mutes.

[Mänwe]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So obviously if I haven't formed an opinion, you're up for my vote. My general plan is to Deadify somebody that is active enough that they'll be useful Dead (as opposed to Deadifying somebody that will do nothing of value in the Dead Thread).

So you're just as prepared to vote those for whom you have made an opinion? As they fit your 'deadify' plan the best..

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Instead we lynched the Seer on Day 1. Shasta was that Seer. He made the same over-defensiveness then as he is now, and a Wolf/Cobbler Shasta would not be so blatant to draw THAT much bad attention to himself. He is definitely safe from my vote.

Too obvious for a double bluff?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Mänwe

So you're just as prepared to vote those for whom you have made an opinion? As they fit your 'deadify' plan the best..

No. If I have an opinion, I already think you're too valuable to die on the first day. My vote will come from the people in the 'eh, I don't care' group, but will probably come from more active members of that sampling.

Originally Posted by Nessa

This is some of the best sense I've heard toDay. Not particularly because it's sally she contemplates lynching, but because the concept itself seems pretty good.

Sally is on the list, but just for clarification, the list is composed of anybody with that uncertain dot dot dot after their name.

Originally Posted by Ang

elronds_daughter - I'd be more comfortable calling her Celebrian

But Elrond's daughter was... Arwen...



Okay. Dead tired, so if I fall asleep before voting, blame the fact that I've had a pretty insane past few days and I'm snuggled in bed watching season two of Buffy. I'm *trying* to be awake for deadline, but I make no promises.

[Anguirel]

Ouch Fea, re Elrond and his brats. What can I say. It's been a while...

[Glirdan]

I'm going to do a quick analysis of Lommy's post.....all three of them

POST #62

Her first post of the day.

First bit is mainly banter (and I'm going to assume this may include the bit about lynching phantom today as well.....no matter how much I would like to see it happen :P )

*raises an eyebrow* I think their priority would still be the seer, thank you very much Mr Cobbler.

Actually, this statement alone seem pretty cobblerish to me. Noggins raised a very valuable point on the Wolves (a very obvious one however, which makes me raise my eyebrow in his general direction). My question is why is this Cobblerish at all? The only thing that is remotely suspicious is the fact that he is stating the obvious, and that isn't that suspicious, people do it all the time.....well, to be a little more accurate, I do it all the time.

Quotes Nerwen and raises a valuable point about the Hunter.

What seems to be a little bit more banter with [b]Boro[b/]

Says shes paranoid about the Cobblers and that there are more people messing with our heads and wants them gone, but still states that the Wolves are our main priority.

A little more banter with Mith and Sally and about Legate

Quite optimistic, given that the regular scenario is that the wolves spot the seer early on and the ranger lives until the end game, which is kind of unlike what we want this time. In this game, we really got to use our wits (even) more than usual. A random vote from anyone toDay and you have a host of hostile penguins at your door. Just warning.

This whole quote (which is in response to something of Boro's) has me quite befuddled. What are you trying to say?? As for the random vote, whether we like it or not, Day 1 votes are always random and Day 2 will always bring "a host of hostile penguins at your door" as you so put it. We don't have anything substantial to go on for our votes on Day 1 unless someone outwardly yells "Look here!! I'm a Wolf!". The only difference with this game is that it is going to be like that for pretty much the whole game, unless we have a Gifted who died come back and help inform us. And even then, there always stands the possibility that a Cobbler or Wolf is manipulating the outcome.

Her last comment for that post was in response to Ang saying that she believes him to be wolfish.

POST #64

She makes a suspicion list.....after possibly a page and a half of posts, one page of which was pure banter.....The list itself seeming like it's pretty much all banter........Hmmmmm.....

She does say however, and I quote:

Normally I don't suspect anyone, this time I suspect almost everyone.

Just a theory.....perhaps because of the type of game things of flipped for her??

POST #76

After three posts (all of which, may I add were pretty well close together [ie. 62, 64, 76]), she votes Manwe, who had one post at the time and was basic banter.





Okay, I think I kind of see everyone's point on her now. She seems a little, wish-washy, for lack of a better word. And her reasoning for her vote for Manwe could just as easily be applied to about five other players, myself included. It seems like it's a throw away vote. But if that's the case, why not just say it's a throw away vote??


EDIT: X'ed since my last

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

So yeah, I don't know if I should go all Nilp on y'all and find out what all the Dead Thread's good for, or if I should actually try to stay alive.

Yeah, normally I try to make some pretense at fighting the inevitable lynch, but this time I was just going to try for "First Dead Head". And so, naturally, this turns out to be the one game that I don't come back to a lovely little clump of votes.

Originally Posted by Mänwe

I think this may have just been more fuel for the fire...

I don't like the way he seems to be sitting back and laughing at the 'spat' between Shasta and Nog, but what's worse is he then pokes and prods them in a seeming attempt to escalate the fight more. By pointing out the one line in Nog's post that could be taken the wrong way, Mänwe's making things worse, not A) ignoring it so we can move on and try to hunt wolves or B) trying to resolve the fight so we can move on and try to hunt wolves.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++NERWEN

Active enough to be useful in the next life, not so active I'll miss her desperately in this one.

Voting now because I'm not going to be awake for DL (especially since B88 informed me that DL is an hour after I'd thought it was). Literally can't keep my eyes open. Nighty night, all.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes– except you're at the least the second person to vote on the grounds that the target would be a "useful ghost". I don't like that reasoning at all.

I agree with that. The idea of a "useful ghost" seems extremely weird to me. The only truly "useful ghosts" are the thread-hoppers. Everyone else will simply be exactly who they are just posting on a different thread, and if they were mistrusted to the point that they were lynched by the Living, what are the odds that they will have much chance at influencing the Dead for positive purposes? I mean, they could certainly, but I imagine that trust on the Dead-Thread will be strongly on the side of Night-kills.

I mean, it almost sounds as if the reasoning is, "This person is vocal and probably will serve us well in death!" in which case you ought to go ahead and say outright that you have to intention of lynching a Wolf this day, but rather someone that could also be helpful on the Living thread that you may come to trust and so on... I dunno... I feel as if my rebuke isn't making great sense because really I can't make much sense of the idea I'm speaking against.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Sorry, but I've gotta get in my vote before DL! (Even if I'll probably miss everything )

++Legate

Because he voted me. And he's useful/won't muddy the waters in the dead thread.

Dear heavens, someone shoot me. I just made the worst vote ever, didn't I?

[Boromir88]

I find myself having trouble concentrating anything after being referred to as Bobbler. Nice one Greenie.

I actually feel quite good about Lommy, even with that completely erratic cobbler hinting thing that I supposedly did...? I think Lommy's just trying to recover from smashing up her bororadar from the last few games that she is forcing herself into seeing everything I do as some twisted evil plot, as a form of revenge. Even if I think she had a nice working bororadar. It just needed updating, like a 2.0 version, or Bororadar Premium Edition.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Sorry, but I've gotta get in my vote before DL! (Even if I'll probably miss everything )

++Legate

Because he voted me. And he's useful/won't muddy the waters in the dead thread.

Dear heavens, someone shoot me. I just made the worst vote ever, didn't I?

Yes– except you're at the least the second person to vote on the grounds that the target would be a "useful ghost". I don't like that reasoning at all.

EDIT:X'd with Fea. DItto that one.

[Glirdan]

I wouldn't usually double post, but seeing as it has gone dead....

The voting count stands thus:

Lommy ++ Manwe
Legate++Nessa
Greenie++Lommy
Shasta++Nog
Agan++Nog(2)
Nog++Shasta
Manwe++Greenie
Elron++Nog(3)

With these people remaining to vote

Glirdan
Nerwen
Loslote
Wilwa
Legate
Nessa
Blind Guardian
satansaloser2005
the phantom
Boromir88
Mithalwen
Anguirel
Fea

Out of these, BG and Wilwa have been no shows (no I have not heard from my darling butterfly so don't ask)

Now if I HAD to do a suspicions list (which it seems like I do seeing as no one is around to make conversation with ) it would be as this

Inclined to Trust
Phantom - As much as it KILLS me to not want to vote him and see him join the mob of Fenrises, he has made far too much sense and his ideas and thoughts to bold to be a phantywolf.....although, it is phantom and this could be exactly what a phantywolf would want. Either way, I'm more inlcined to trust him and keep him around.
Shasta - After that, albeit, overreaction to Noggy, I'm more inclined to trust him (please read my post #134 for the full explanation
Fea - Even in her very few posts, Fea has made what has to be the most sense out of everyone that I have seen post today
Agan - She's been here for the better part of the Day, making very good contributions and talking perfect sense in my opinion

Leery of
Lommy - see my last post
Ang - There was something in his earlier posts that have just made me feel uneasy about him. I don't entirely suspect Wolf, but Cobbler is definitely coming to mind when I read his posts
Boro - All day, his attack (okay, maybe that's a little too strong of a word...his, thoughts and ideas will suffice for this) on [/b]Nog[/b] just made no sense to me. Granted, Nog has me a little baffled, but that's not unusual. But Boro's has been pretty adamant about it....I don't know, something just feels off.
Mith - Most of her posts have been nothing but banters and that bugs me. Something about it is just not sitting right.


Unsure
[b]Nerwen/b] - Her first few posts of the day were all banter, then she disappeared for the better portion. No idea what to make here.
Noggins - This is nothing new for me...he always has me confused and by midday on Day 2, we'll be knocking heads
Greenie - I haven't seen enough of her to say anything really.
Legate - I actually just remembered he was playing....oh wow.....bed time.....
Lottie - I really just have no idea about her...

??????????????
Manwe
Nessa
Elron
The three above have posted like three to five times each, most of which was banter, some of which had little to no substance in their posts and have been absent for the better part of the day.
Sally - Hasn't posted much....BUT did inform us she may not be able to and that she may not be voting.

No Show
Wilwa
BG


I won't vote for the no shows. For one, I'm sure miss butterfly has a perfectly good explanation for not being here, for another I will give them the one day grace period. I will not vote for [b]Sally[b] as she has explained herself quite well. I will not vote for any of those under the Inclined to Trust list as I want to keep them around.

Seeing as I want to hear more from Manwe, Elron and Nessa, I will also give them a one day grace period.

Which leaves everyone else.....Okay, will be back to vote shortly.


EDIT: Xed since last (turns out I didn't double post )

[elronds_daughter]

Originally Posted by Fea

So don't be surprised if I vote for somebody that seems active and rational: it's not that I want to kill awesome good guys, it's that I want to ascertain that the purpose of the Dead Thread isn't mucked up via us staffing its walls with mutes.

This is the way my brain is working too... The train of thought goes: "Okay, we want to kill the baddies. But we also don't want to make malicious ghosts. Crap."

This tension between Nogrod and Shasta worries me somewhat. Hrmmm.

[elronds_daughter]

Right. Must go. Voting.

++Nogrod

Partly because Shasta's overreaction makes him seem innocent. And if Nog's not guilty, then he'll be a helpful ghost.

[Anguirel]

As in, they're Hamlet and Laertes, Balin and Balan, Turin and Beleg (hasn't happened yet, but there is acute foresight amid the kin of Feanor, whatevs)? Yeah, I agree, for now. While it is irksome that they're becoming the lead candidates, the price of caution is standing by to watch the stoning of the more conspicuous...

Manwe is surprisingly acerbic though that may be a stylistic thing. elronds_daughter - I'd be more comfortable calling her Celebrian, but then again maybe Elrond (as yet unborn) had another sprog - makes a very sensible point about the compromises entailed in our lynching. Basically, within our category of suspects, we should go for the most vocal one. There's more to gain from a punt on the phantoms of this world than a pure shot in the dark; though killing a vocal player is admittedly disastrous if they're...shoe fetishists

addendum: crossed 'Celebrian', Nessa, Nogrod

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Shasta

I am quite literally shocked. Every single point in this paragraph - and yes, I do very literally mean every single one - is assumption/blatant generalization/"this is the way it is, and no, I don't have to back it up, just go with it, and here, let me add in some analysis of Shasta as a person just for emphasis", and not only that, strikes me as just plain mean. I don't know what I did to expect such treatment from Nogrod of all people, but really, I'm incredibly annoyed right now.

I didn't for a moment consider? Absolute bullcrap. I obviously considered what you were saying - otherwise I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I "decided" that, did I? And I suppose you're in my head, that you can make such firm and flawless notions of what I did and did not do?

And the last point is the worst - that I voted you because you wouldn't be back to defend yourself. First off it's hurtful that you'd even think I'd stoop so low. Secondly, what? I wasn't planning to be back myself - that's why I voted as early as I did.

X'ed with Fea



It's far too early in the game to be as overly malicious as that post was, and if I'm overreacting then I apologize, but...

This entire post alone takes Shasta off my voting list completely. Yes, it is an over-reaction, yet I have seen him (I apologize for the meta-reasoning, but this is my way of making it up to him ) do this once before and I believed him to be evil.......

Instead we lynched the Seer on Day 1. Shasta was that Seer. He made the same over-defensiveness then as he is now, and a Wolf/Cobbler Shasta would not be so blatant to draw THAT much bad attention to himself. He is definitely safe from my vote.

I'm actually not entirely understanding where all this supsicion of Lommy is coming from. I'm going to have to go back and read just her posts to understand some stuf.

As it stands, I'm still leery about Agan....he still seems way to Cobblery to me. If we can't get a Wolf, I would much rather get rid of a Cobbler and limit the Wolves out-voting capabilities at the end.

Xed with Fea