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Shady She-Penguin
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Okay, I've been sick and sharing computer with the totally not caught up with stuff Greenie, so my participation has been and will be quite diminished toDay... my apologies. Trying to do my best with the amount of concentration and time I have right now.
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Agan is annoying me slightly, so I'm starting to trust her. She tends to take that nitpicky Lobelia tone when she's innocent. This, however, doesn't make me agree with her. I don't really know what she achieved by analysing everybody's actions towards herself. (But I guess analysing that is better than analysing nothing. ![]()
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Shady She-Penguin
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A list to organise my brain...
Innocentish
Mac - looks like innocent Mac as opposed to guilty Mac. I like his points although I don't agree with all of them. Have to add, though, that at times he's made me a bit wary toDay (compared to looking very innocent yesterDay) so I'm not totally sure. Kitanna - obviously. Rikae - has not been so light cavalry-ish toDay, so I think I can read her better and I'm not very worried atm. Boro - like I said yesterDay, looks more like innocent Boro to me. A pity he doesn't seem as sincere and in your face as he did yesterDay but I'm not still having doubts yet. Greenie - I think I can recognise the busy ordo Greenie and here we have her. In between Eomer - under my radar, like I've said before. I feel like I can't read him. Shasta - seems more elusive and joke-y than usual which is weird. Reminds me of early wolf-Shastas, but recently he's been much smoother as a wolf (remembering especially that one horrid game which he won). So, I'm unsure. Lottie - I feel like I should have an opinion on her but I really don't. People seem very opinionated about her but she's mostly under my radar or in the contradictory books. Another whose posts I'd like to check when I have time. Pitch - a lot the same as Lottie. Rather edgy but somehow honest all the same. Difficult. BG - confusing. Mänwë - even more confusing. Valier - won't judge before I see more. No alarm bells yet, though. Legate - don't even pretend I can read him anymore. Not too worrying, whatsoever. Cailín - posts a lot but leaves a somehow impersonal impression. Kind of reserved but somehow warm, difficult to figure out. Agan - leaning innocent with the abrasive behaviour but not sure. Hasn't picked on me yet. Suspicious-ish Ed - there's something vaguely fishy in her tone, she rubs me the wrong way. Mostly under the radar though. Would like to check her posts but doesn't look like I'd have the time toDay. Nessa - totally submarine-ish, could possibly be a wolf based on Ozban's death and wasn't exactly convincing yesterDay either. Lynching her would feel rather knee-jerk, though. Wilwa - is being incredibly defensive and talking weird stuff. Like I said yesterDay, might be just some RL stress but today she's been giving me plain bad vibes. Zil - his first post toDay was incredibly fishy and nothing can change that. Rather annoying/confusing though that he looked so innocent to me yesterDay. Skip - slightly fishy toDay, I don't like his joking tone. But then again, he looked fishy to me in my own game where I certainly knew he was an ordo! Unsure, slightly leaning guilty. edit: xed with Val
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Werewolf Psychic
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Hum. I don't like Lottie's vote. At all.
++Lottie And in any case there doesn't seem to be as much support for a Legate lynch as I'd hoped for, so.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I just read over Loslote's posts and I do not like what I see. She seems very unsure of herself (fair enough - most of us are), but her apologetic behaviour and her unwillingness to take responsibility for her choices seem particularly shady. Also, her vote for Kitanna, leaving judgment in the hands of one who has admitted that she can hardly be involved, rather than trusting to her own.
I am also okay lynching Nessa and clear up some confusion there. I have not had time to look at ED's posts and feel lynching her would be a stab in the dark that would tell us nothing. |
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In that far land beyond the Sea
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Now, a list - more for myself than for anybody else, to see all the names in front of me at the same moment and to somewhat summarise what exactly I think of everybody - and whom could I vote: Eomer - I am a bit worried about him from some things he says, but I don't think I'd have reason to vote him now L. Ron Hubbard - submarine indeed, though I would prefer voting for somebody I suspect at least a bit to a random shot, even if at a sumbarine Macalaure - looks good-ish enough to me Shastanis Althreduin - he actually seems reasonable, I quite like him this far Loslote - I am actually thinking quite well of her by now Kitanna - a Hunter. At least until somebody else starts claiming otherwise. *eyes Skip* wilwarin538 - flip-floppy about her, but at least for certain not going to vote her at least this far Nessa Telrunya - a thing or two raised eyebrows, I'm wondering about the possible implications of the Night kills, but hard to say Pitchwife - not much of an idea, not really suspicious Inziladun - wary of, but not really strongly suspecting him Rikae - creeps me out, like I said, she is hard to read in general Boromir88 - unsure about, watching A Little Green - I have just very little idea about her, need to start pay more attention to her. There's just too many people and she has not been posting so much. Blind Guardian - little to go with... Skip Spence - suspicious, but the Hunter-joke, like I said, makes me think a Wolf would not pull that off. I am sort of debating with myself whether I should not overcome this feeling and vote him anyway, the question is - would a Skipwolf be so careless/bold to post something like that even as a Wolf? Mänwe - nice to see him around, this far did not have much chance to participate, setting him aside for now, shall evaluate on him later once there's more Valier - there is something fishy about her, I am not sure Thinlómien - I am actually rather suspicious of her this time, interestingly. She posts in a way that seems unusual in comparison to her innocent self. Aganzir - it's Agan. Mind of a Wolf, for sure. Whether she is an actual Wolf is another thing. Watching her. Caílin - could be either Actually, this list is not very helpful. In fact, it is not helpful at all. I have very, very hazy idea about most of people. I would hope it to change soon. Anyway, there are some people from whom I will probably not select, than I can think about the others... EDIT: x-ed since Lommy
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Twisted Taleswapper
Join Date: Dec 2005
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im posting this with one hand while i get screamed at....
i don't like the bandwagon for nessa ++ Skip I think hes trying to be a clever wolf.
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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*sigh* This is all too difficult... I might be for voting Valier, if that has any chance to get through. I am unsure about the Nessa-wagon myself, just because I am not sure if I understand correctly all the reasons of those who have put it in motion. EDIT: x-ed with Bob.
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Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
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So
Nessa -> Rikae BG -> Nessa Lottie -> Kitanna Skip -> elronds_daughter Eomer -> Nessa 2 Shasta -> Lottie Pitch -> Nessa 3 Valier -> Skip Greenie -> Zil Out of the people already voted, I would prefer Zil, followed by Skip and then Ed. Nessa is making me have second thoughts again because the fact that people are so eager to bandwagon against her without any very solid evidence makes me think she might be innocent after all. edit: xed with Rikae who is ![]()
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Woman of Secret Shadow
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells
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![]() As I said Lommy's death doesn't come as a surprise - but according to my notes, nobody thought Valier was innocent. I'm wondering if they went for her as a potential seer - or if their real target was Lommy as a potential seer and they threw in Valier just to confuse us. I don't like the situation too much: the kills seem to implicate certain people who have been suspected anyway, but we can't tell if they are actually wolves or if the wolves just want us to believe so, and we never lynch any of them. Quote:
And even if they're both wolves, I think it would have been worth it to save her. As far as I recall, neither of them had been attacking the other strongly, so giving the decisive vote wouldn't necessarily have cleaned them. And if two wolves are suspected heavily, their actions are often damage control rather than trying to wriggle out of the noose. Quote:
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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Hmm. Basically the point is that we need to lynch a Wolf. I think that will at least make us determine a bit what kind of logic the WWs were using during the kills etc. That way, it would be good to lynch e.g. Inzil or Nessa, but again, maybe that's exactly what the WWs want us to do. And that's not to say, if for example Zil is a Cobbler...
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Woman of Secret Shadow
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Should I have?
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I'm worried about nobody paying attention to Mac & Shasta (other than "they look innocent"), not because I suspect them but because I know how sneaky they can be. I'd like to take a look at them at some point, however I won't have time for it today. I'm also torn about Boro who hasn't been posting enough substance for me to form a solid opinion on him - he worries me but not enough to justify a vote. Here's a list of people I might vote today. I'd prefer one from the first category but a lynch from the 2nd or 3rd might prove more helpful. I think there's more of a case against Inzil than Nessa so it's probably either him or a quiet player. Suspicious-ish but not enough substance: ed, wilwa, BG, Mänwe (who'll be modfired if he doesn't vote today) The enigmatic pair: Inzil, Nessa Would be more of a gut thing: Pitch, Rikae, skip I'm going now, will be back to vote some time before the deadline.
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Fading Fëanorion
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: into the flood again
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Would like to skip for now
Nessa Inzil Skip I don't think so Aganzir (only one who's really looking innocent to me at the moment) Greenie (innocent feeling, too) No idea e_d Mänwe Not unthinkable Shasta Wilwa Rikae BG Cailín Possible Eomer (always have a hard time figuring him out. There's no question about him being a shrewd and logical wolf, though) Legate (I suddenly have a bad feeling and I'm not sure why) Very possible Pitch Boro (as I said before) I'm very uncomfortable with my large grey zone. One problem is, I think, that with a pack of four, we likely have some leader and some follower types in the pack. How do you detect a follower wolf unless they slip up during the day? |
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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The main point in this game this far is, with "leader" and "followers", you need to have such a "leader" that he/she approves of the kills which have been made. That really makes it a lot more difficult to figure it out with some quick and simple scheme. There are several people I cannot imagine doing it - unless it is just the reason why they are doing it. That all comes down to what I have said a few posts before, once we could lynch one Wolf, it would shed some light on the way they might have been planning this to be.
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EDIT: x-ed with Legate
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Woman of Secret Shadow
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Inzil, why did you leave voting until so late?
10 minutes before the DL Inzil says he doesn't particularly want to vote for Lottie but he would to save himself. 8 minutes before the DL, I ask if anyone considers skip or ed. The votes are Lottie-4, Inzil-3, Nessa-3 while both skip & ed (and a couple of others) have one. 6 minutes before the DL Legate replies he might vote for skip but not in that situation. 5 minutes before the DL Inzil replies he could vote for ed because of her easy votes. I say I'm probably voting for Nessa but might also go for Inzil. 4 minutes before the DL I vote for Nessa. Nessa-4, Lottie-4, Inzil-3. Five people are still left to vote. 3 minutes before the DL Legate votes for Nessa. Nessa-5, Lottie-4, Inzil-3. Four people left to vote, one of them Inzil himself (the remaining three hadn't posted to say they were here). 1 minute before the DL Nessa posts. At the DL, Legate says he should've waited until later with his vote (I was very confused at first, thinking he would've voted for someone else instead if he had seen Nessa's post, but he clarified he was afraid of being outvoted). Inzil waits till it's almost DL:01 and votes for Lottie without an explanation other than "Legate-180". I suppose that was a necessary addition given that he had expressed concern of Nessa in #222 - but he hadn't given any inclination that he considered voting for her, unlike Lottie (whom he could have voted to save himself), so it feels somehow self-conscious to me. This doesn't really help me make up my mind about Inzil though. I'd be inclined to lynch him (at least rather than Nessa) just to be on the safe side but I'm worried what happens if he isn't a baddie after all.
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Woman of Secret Shadow
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I don't like Legate's meta-reasoning. It makes me feel a bit better about him though because I think a wolf would actually bother to come up with more appropriate reasons to suspect people.
Also, just saying that I could kill Ozban on night 2 even in my first game with him if I had a reason to. And that as long as we don't know who the wolves are, we can't know who they found seerish.
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Fading Fëanorion
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Nessa -> Rikae
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So, Boro, how's toDay different to yesterDay? I'm waiting for something. ![]() Out of the ones who have a vote, I could imagine going for Lottie myself (apart from what I said before, her vote for Kitanna is a very easy way out, which could be wolfish). Otherwise, I'd prefer Boro, but could also go for Pitch, Eomer, or Skip. edit: crossed with Valier, there's another vote I like. Last edited by Macalaure; 01-06-2011 at 03:21 PM. |
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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So once again going through it (sorry for the lists)
Not voting (green zone): Kitanna (I suggest we keep her for toMorrow, if anybody considers it still valuable to lynch her, we might do so, or just let her modfired - which I would perhaps prefer now), Agan (her reasoning about my innocence sounds like something a Wolf would not come up with - the thing about 14 minutes and non-native speakers), Shasta, Mac (for both see above) Not voting (for not enough data): LG, Mänwe Not voting (yellow zone, i.e. not strong enough reason to want to see them gone): wilwa, Loslote Could vote (if none of my top suspects seem to be available for lynching etc.): Rikae, Nessa, BG, Hubbard (written in decreasing order of willingness to lynch them) Would like to vote: possibly Skip, possibly Lommy, possibly Valier, possibly Boro Unsure to which cathegory to put: Inzil, Pitchwife (status pending...) EDIT: xed since my last
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Woman of Secret Shadow
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I'd much prefer some coherent thoughts instead of scattered from ed (like a list or something). Also here's an updated tally with Nessa's vote in it. Nessa - Rikae BG - Nessa Lottie - Kit skip - ed Eomer - Nessa 2 Shasta - Lottie Pitch - Nessa 3 Val - skip Green - Inzil Left: ed, Mac, Kit?, wilwa, Zil, Rikae, Boro, Mänwe, Legate, Lommy, Agan, Cailín
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