WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Is this because you're at work?

As a matter of fact, I was at home when I wrote that, but on call, which means no alcohol. That said, I think Guinness could potentially be very beneficial to my work productivity.

Speaking of which, I'm trying to eat something now, and have things to do for the next two hours, so further from me toDay is looking doubtful.

I'm unsure enough about Pitch that I'll let that particular wagon pass me by just now.

Nessa seems off; the "oddsmaking" post just looks like trying to seem helpful. That sort of thing would be understandable in the Endgame, but really, why do that on Day 1, except to say something for the sake of not being a submarine?

So....

++Nessa

Thin, I know, but I'm afraid that's all you'll get toDay.

Later, compadres.

[Kath]

Well and that's the dilemma isn't it?

Is it a bandwagon against an innocent Pitch pushed by evil doers ... or is it that an evil Pitch is struggling and has been caught out.

If the latter it IS a bandwagon but not necessarily a bad one.

BUT - it's Day 1. Very rarely do we get that lucky and get a wolf based on a slip. And either way a bandwagon is never a brilliant thing because it provides less to work from when looking at how people have voted.

So, whether Pitch is evil or not, it would be good to get the votes spread out. At the moment it looks like half the village will go for Pitch, and half the village will go for someone who suspects Pitch ... well at least it will be spread out.

Anyway, a slow review of what's been happening will appear soon enough. Though I'm working on a little computer so it'll be slower than usual.

Oh and to answer Rikae: I didn't realise we only had one retractable all game, I thought it was each Day.

[Kath]

Wow, there are a LOT of people in this game. Well, I'm going to give a free pass to anyone I haven't played with before (or don't recall playing with - please don't get mad if I've forgotten. Boro will back me up on my awful memory) because it would be nice to actually see them play! So that is: elronds-daughter, Nessa and Ozban. Also obviously not Manwe as we know he's not around. And not Blind Guardian 'cause she always gets lynched. Also Cailin as we know she can't be here much toDay.

Which leaves many still, most of whom I have no idea about. So, here we are:

Leaning guilty:
Inzil - faintly shoddy reasoning against Pitch compared to everyone else and he came to it late.
Legate - well I don't get the Lottie thing. If this was further explained this suspicion may abate.
wilwa - well, she was very defensive.

Other:
Eomer
Mac
Shasta
Lottie
Kitanna
Pitch
sally
Rikae
Boro
Greenie
skip
Valier
Lommy
Agan

Will post this, catch up on the votes and then vote myself. (As in, I'll vote, not pull a Nilp.)

[Pitchwife]

Wow, Sally is back in her familiar splendour. That's nice, although I disagree with practically everything she says.
For clarification:

Originally Posted by Sally

Pitch is very quick to specifically say not to kill BG

This is because I remember a game where she was lynched for sheer newbishness (much like the kind in her post about Ozzy) on D1 and had a nervous breakdown subsequently. I don't want to see that repeated toDay; later in the game is a different matter. Besides, didn't you agree with me a few lines further up?

Originally Posted by Sally

Kit is bizarre and (un)reasonable. Her predictions are very interesting.

What's bizarre and unreasonable about her? Didn't she say the same things about me which you're now reiterating in oh so many words?

Originally Posted by Sally

Aaaaand the most damaging point against Skip is brought up first in Mac’s #35. If the seer only suspects wolves (or, for that matter, only vindicates innocents), they become an instant target for the wolves. I wanted to save my thoughts until I was commenting on Mac’s post, because this is a good catch for Mac (which is to say that he made a good catch, not that he’s normally incapable of such a discovery).

Sorry, that's not that damaging at all, and I think you're putting words in his mouth here; especially as skip later explained himself by referring to Lommy's last game.

No time to comment on the rest of this epic post, I'll have to come back to it in a quieter hour.

[Valier]

not quite sure I like Inzil's vote for Nessa....because there is always at least one person who has to do the math. Seems an easy wolfish vote maybe?.... Yay Lommy's here!!! It's been a long time since we have played together, so I wont be voting for you....yet I am very unsure about my vote today....I'm leaning towards Rikae or Inzil at the moment, but you never can tell wang..

[wilwarin538]

Boro, I think I'm just tired of seeing the same conversations every Day 1. If something new had been brought up fine, but that wasn't the case, it was the same old stuff about roles we're all familiar with. Yeah, I get that we need to start discussion somewhere (and no I can't think of really anything else to talk about at the beginning), but I felt it was continuing for a bit too long, when there was now actual people to talk about. And honestly, telling the Seer to not be too obvious with their hints, and to make sure to reveal if they have important information, is insulting their intelligence, and stating that we should keep an eye out for Cobbler hints is sort of obvious, and doesn't warrant so much talk.

But moving on...

Originally Posted by Sally

Okay, first of all, why am I the spirit of muffins?!?! I demand an explanation!!!!!!!! >.<

Because they are awesome, and everyone should want to be the spirit of muffins. Oh, and I'm happy you have the chance to participate, but I forgot how crazy long your posts are, my ADD doesn't like you right now . *sigh* But I'll read it anyway...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Boro, I think I'm just tired of seeing the same conversations every Day 1. If something new had been brought up fine, but that wasn't the case, it was the same old stuff about roles we're all familiar with. Yeah, I get that we need to start discussion somewhere (and no I can't think of really anything else to talk about at the beginning), but I felt it was continuing for a bit too long, when there was now actual people to talk about. And honestly, telling the Seer to not be too obvious with their hints, and to make sure to reveal if they have important information, is insulting their intelligence, and stating that we should keep an eye out for Cobbler hints is sort of obvious, and doesn't warrant so much talk.

But moving on...

Fairy nuff. I can see the annoyance of going through the motions and doing the same old. And with this being pretty basic, I can see how there shouldn't be much to discuss about the seer and other gifteds. I get to wondering why if someone says "seer," we get reactions like the person just shouted "fire" in a theater.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I get to wondering why if someone says "seer," we get reactions like the person just shouted "fire" in a theater.

Hehe, speaking of which, I thought I wanted to share the following story: recently, I accidentally distracted myself and the other players in a tabletop RPG because I twice heard "seer woman pale as snow" instead of "see a woman pale as snow" and thus wrote down an ancient riddle incorrectly. (After the game my friend who was the game master and who is not a 'downer told me I have played too much ww and she almost cracked up when I quoted the riddle to the other players. )

edit: xed with Shasta and Pitch

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitch

So you're responsible for that part of the game? Please, if we have a say in the matter, it should be obvious that I'd like to be Diogenes the Cynic (the whole dog business, and the bit with the lamp that Zil found 'forced'.). I promise not to be indecent in public, though.

I believe I actually gave you the honour of being Socrates.

And before I raise more suspicion with my dubious statements: Agan, Legate and I were assisting Nogrod in giving out the roles by assigning Greek philosophers from Greek philosopher playing cards to all players so that Nogrod could later (obviously when we were not present anymore!) randomise the roles with the assistance of those cards. And no, I don't remember which philosophers we assigned to which people (except a few), maybe Nog will share them after the game. And as a further disclaimer, the philosophers will - or so Nog told us - play no further part in this game or narrations, so I'm not spoiling you of anything or know anymore than you do.


edit: xed with everyone again

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I believe I actually gave you the honour of being Socrates.

Well, according to Plato, Diogenes was like Socrates gone mad, so I'll be content.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

as a further disclaimer, the philosophers will - or so Nog told us - play no further part in this game or narrations, so I'm not spoiling you of anything or know anymore than you do.

That's correct. I happen to have those funny "Greek thinkers" -playing cards and wished to do the lottery of roles with them, but gave the task of assigning the cards to you players to Lommy, Greenie, Aganzir and Legate (who were at my place over the New Year) while I was myself busy in the kitchen.

I can post their choices in the admin thread after the Day is over so you can see how they saw you...

But as said, those have nothing to do with your roles in this game or the narrations to that matter - but were only lottery-devices. Some of those philosophers might appear somewhere in the narrations, but there will be no link whatsoever to the player assigned that card in the lottery.

[Pitchwife]

Time to think about a vote.
I'm not going to vote for Cailín and Valier in their first game in ages, and Manwe for the same reason plus per Nogmod's decree. Not for BG for reasons specified above. Not for Boro and skip because I like them, and not for Agan, Kit, Legate, Ozzy, Rikae, Zil and Shasta because I'd like to see more of them. Not for Lottie because that would be the easy way out.
Sally I don't yet know what to think of.
I'm feeling squeamish about wilwa (but her response to me has eased my stomach a bit) and Greenie.
I might vote Mac for his cobbler-hunting, which I feel is a counterproductive distraction at this point. Or alternatively one of the quieter ones, preferably either L.Ron's daughter (whose single post was basically agreeing with a lot of people and latching on to the Pitch-suspicion) or Nessa, who hasn't been very productive either and also has that "Rikae-knows-something-we-don't" thing against her.
And I've no idea about anybody else (which is an awful lot of people).

EDIT: x-ed from #102 down.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Lottie

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

++Lottie

*ping*
And here comes the alternative bandwagon, right?

[wilwarin538]

So I don't like Cupcake's massive post. The main reason for this will not be stated, for hopefully obvious reasons.

Other reasons:

Kit is bizarre and (un)reasonable

Why? Quotes would be helpful.

Aaaaand the most damaging point against Skip is brought up first in Mac’s #35. If the seer only suspects wolves (or, for that matter, only vindicates innocents), they become an instant target for the wolves.

I think you're mis-representing him. That isn't what he said, he wants the Seer to not focus strongly on one person, unless they have dreamt them. I think this one has already been pointed out, but in the past we lynched an innocent because the Seer had focused on them in such a way that it looked like they had dreamt them guilty (when they obviously hadn't).

The fact that this post doesn't include quotes or post numbers makes it really hard to figure out what Sally was looking at when she came to these various conclusions. And then there's that thing she said that I strongly dislike.

x'ed since Lommy's list

[satansaloser2005]

Kit is bizarre because she is. I didn't say it was a bad thing, after all. Just strange.


And I reference post numbers, but alas can't make with the linky when I'm typing in Word and have no net to do stuff with, sorry. Posts are responded to in chronological order however.


I have to go. I'll be late getting back to work. >.<

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Kit is bizarre because she is. I didn't say it was a bad thing, after all. Just strange.


And I reference post numbers, but alas can't make with the linky when I'm typing in Word and have no net to do stuff with, sorry. Posts are responded to in chronological order however.

Okee.....and yeah, I can tell that they're chronological, but in order to figure out what posts you're talking about, one would have to have two windows open and then one would then have to re-read everything....and one is too lazy to do so, so I'll just focus on the things you say that I know for sure which posts you're referring too (which are a fair amount of them).

With that said, I think Sally is at the top of my list. With the incorrect representation of what Skip said about the Seer, and the fact that she seems to be a bit all over the place with dislikes and likes, either by going from liking someone to not, or some are just a "yay, this person is shiny" or "no, I don't like this", without really giving any reasons. I know all that is a bit superficial, and on it's own I wouldn't likely suspect her, but that isn't all I have against her....so yeah, I'm really suspecting her right now.

But I will wait a bit longer, and maybe skim back through a bit. But I really think I'm going to go with Sally toDay.

x'ed since the post I quoted

[satansaloser2005]

I think it's pretty interesting that Rikae flips on Pitch and it's good, but when I do it it's clearly evil. Who am I allowed to suspect then? Anyone?

Sorry. Just cranky because I have a teeny screen which makes it really hard to do much of anything, let alone make shiny links. Besides, I have some works to do. Thus....

++Pitch

For shiftiness and wanting (on my part) to not just vote for one of the people who is attacking me. After all, they can't all be evil. Can they?


I'm off for the Day. I'll try to re-link that long post when I have webs to do so.


Edit: x'd since Vanilwa's 123. Oh, and I'm also voting Pitch because he's my favorite of the people who have been voted so far. Just sayin'.

[wilwarin538]

Let's get a vote count on this page:

Cailin -> Agan
Kitanna -> Pitch
Legate -> Lottie
Rikae -> Wilwa
Inzil -> Nessa
Shasta -> Lottie (2)
Boro -> Inzil

[Ozban]

As the air grows gravely stinky
this may seem like out of blue
I ask advice of my pinky:
'cause I know not half of you
"I shall not vote Agan kinky."
and the end is nearly due.

++Nessa Telrunya

X'd a lot

[Kath]

I have to agree, when I was reading through I was really surprised, I mean I know there isn't much more to talk about on Day 1, but still.

Oops sorry wilwa you are right. I misread the above comment as 'I was really surprised there isn't much more talk on Day 1'.

[Ozban]

Sally I wanted to "read some more from you"...
But THIS???
This is gonna take some time.

[Valier]

just had to say...I really dislike it when people tell the Seer what to do or well hint at what to do...Most of us have played this game enough that if we were the seer we would know what to do and know when the appropriate time to reveal ourself is. Also the seer should know not to point too directly at anyone unless they did dream of a wolf annnnd if they are in fear of getting lynched. enough said on the seer point please!!

[Valier]

thanks wilwa you pretty much said what I was thinking and tried to say...You look ok in my books...so far.

[Nogrod]

As I see two people have of late entertained the idea of voting Manwë let me re-state what I said in the admin thread yesterday:

Originally Posted by the Mod

I realised Manwë said this already before Christmas:

So a modfire will not threathen him unless he is away from the game two Days in a row after January the 5th. Also, he will be mod-protected against any attempt to his life up to the 5th as he has notified us about his time-table problems early enough.

That I think is only fair as he notified us of his situation like three weeks ago.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As I see two people have of late entertained the idea of voting Manwë let me re-state what I said in the admin thread yesterday: That I think is only fair as he notified us of his situation like three weeks ago.

Duly noted Sire Nogmod and something I completely missed. I think I should also tell you before Day 1 started, when I got up in the morning I checked the time stamp and thought Day had already been going on for over 2 hours but there were no posts. I honestly started writing a post reeming everyone out as to how there could not be any posts yet. But thinking with how many people are here, I surely could not have been the first one to post with it already being 2+ hours into the Day. Then double-checked and saw the "Night 1," not "Day 1." and then felt really really silly.

With your Bororadar being brokey Lommy, I had to admit to being in a most unusual mood and manner of posting, last time. I wouldn't say your radar was broken, it was more me being brokey. Without having the time to play in the way I like to play, I saw your reaction to my Day 1 vote of you as a big time over-reaction and thought you felt threatened. I can't make anything clear out of Lommy's spurt of posting, but I do prefer this WWing Lommy much better than distracted Lommy.

Not sure about a vote here...Eomer and Greenie, I typically take notice of early on, but they've been very low key so far. They usually aren't the chatty posters, but still get involved and in the action early on. Same can be said about Inzil who I realized has as many posts as me, but the only thing I can recall about him is the dream and eating his pillow...

++Inzil

[Nogrod]

40 minutes before the deadline, the votes are...

Cailín -> Aganzir
Kitanna -> Pitchie
Legate -> Lottie
Rikae -> wilwa
Zil -> Nessa
Shasta -> Lottie2
Boro -> Zil


EDIT: Heh, what a nice coincidence...

[Pitchwife]

Oh well, I think I'll leave Mac be for now and give him a chance to focus on something else than Agan and cobblers.

++Nessa
For mathematical pseudo-helpfulness and attempted Seer-outing.

EDIT: x-ed with a double-Kath

[Loslote]

I know I said I would be around two hours before DL. ...sorry about that.

Anyway, I don't have much time to go over the posts (I'm watching a Chem lecture at the same time ) but from a quick once-over, Sally still worries me, and Valier, though I have not played with her before, strikes me as not very innocent. I'll probably vote for Sally - unless it looks like I'll die, in which case I might vote Nessa, because the points against her are about as good as you can get on Day 1.

EDIT: xed since Vanilwuffin

[Thinlómien]

Won't vote
Mac
Kit
Rikae
Boro
BG
Manwe
Valier
Cailín
Kath
Greenie
Zil

Mac, Kit, Rikae, Manwe, Valier, Cailín and Kath haven't played for a while, so I'd feel cruel to lynch them on Day1 with no good reasons. BG should not be lynched on Day1 if it always happened before. Boro, Green and Zil strike me as innocent for now.


Could vote
Eomer
Elra
Shasta
Lottie
Wilwa
Nessa
Pitch
Sally
Skip
Legate
Agan
Ozban

That's still quite a long list. Nessa, Sally and Shasta strike me as most fishy out of these, then Wilwa, Elra and Lottie. Skip, Agan, Legate, Eomer and Ozban are quite unclear to me. Pitch is an enigma leaning innocent.

edit: xed with W's #134 and onwards