WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[Kitanna]

I meant to post again, but when I sat down to do so I had nothing new to say. But I have to go to work and I'll be there until the DL. Which means it's voe time.

++Pitch

I feel, though he's said a lot trying to look helpful, but hasn't really helped anything at all. Of course he still has 10ish hours to come back, but I don't. So going on what I have to work with now Pitch looks the most suspicious to me.

I don't have time to elaborate or dissect anyone else. Sorry.

[Nessa Telrunya]

I'll only be back briefly before the deadline, because I've got school slammed right into the middle. So hopefully my absence won't be misinterpreted, and there will be enough to read for a good vote.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Agan

Hey what's suspicious about that?

You're the first one to mention cobblers and wolves sending messages. The first point in your first post. And if you look closer at the actual statement, it doesn't even really make sense. I have you down as cobbler until I find someone better.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Mac's big post of postiness was unnerving

Except that it wasn't even the longest one. Agan's just below it was a lot longer and several above were about the same length (with more text, though), so.. huh?

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I think if we're to look at Pitch, let's look at his posts prior to asking Rikae and Sally to explain. To me he seems to be speaking a lot without saying anything. Like "here I am, being helpful, but I'm really being sneaky by making noise."

This.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I think hints are far more likely coming from the Cobbler to the wolves. The Cobbler doesn't mind getting lynched, really, and as you say, hinting on the part of the wolves is rather risky this early.

Exactly. But evidence of the sort "A, who might be a cobbler, is sending suspicious messages to B, who A might think might be a wolf" is not solid. If A is dead and certified evil, then yes, but not now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so I am here like I promised... I won't have time to post anything anymore toDay, so here be a few quick comments and a vote after them.

From the louder people, or from the people who made some stronger impression on me:

I am not suspecting Agan - at least not because of what she said, as I believe what she said makes sense. And if she were a Wolf/Cobbler signaling to the Cobbler/Wolves, she would have actually given a more direct hint, I believe. But that is what she does not seem to do, in my opinion.

Her idea about the Seer revealing toDay if he/she has a known Wolf is actually a good one, as we would limit the kills to 1 and the Ranger could also protect the Seer at least for one more Day. However, it is rather late in the Day, so maybe it's a bit too late for that (and in any case, who knows if the Seer has dreamed about a Wolf anyway. It certainly does not make sense to reveal otherwise).

Nessa's math looks innocent, if you can say anything like that about math.

Mac looks sensible, if you can say anything like that about Mac.

Skip looks... interesting, but not really suspicious.

Inzil seems good to me, not as the last time when he was a Wolf. Oh, or the time before. Oh, or the time before. In fact, if he is the Wolf for something like the fourth time in a row (or almost in a row), I sincerely pity him (that's not to say that it's any less probable that he is one, but the point is, he just does not seem like one this time, or this far).

Not so much of Ozzy, but he is terribly funny. Not very much actually contributive, though. Still, nothing against him for the time being.

Pitchwife is posting, more like commenting, though it doesn't seem to be the 'I am also just Mr.Agreeable' attitude. I don't think at least, in contrary to some others who have said that, that he would do anything that smells of Wolf.

Speaking of him:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

True, although it's probably easier for them to blend in among a larger crowd. The question is, what conclusions should we draw from this once we manage to lynch our first wolf? Like, should we automatically rule out wolf-on-wolf votes? I don't think so - even if the wolves won't sacrifice one of them frivolously, they still may be forced to do so willy-nilly, e.g. if two of them are in danger at the same time.

Not that, I think, but the basic idea makes sense. Like, we should not rule w-on-w votes, quite the opposite, if there are millions of votes (in this huge village), one vote for a fellow Wolf will get lost, and not even threaten the fellow Wolf - basically what you said. But if we lynch a Wolf, then it would be sensible to assume that it was not the WW's doing to orchestrate the lynch on Day 1. At least, I never rule out any possibility, but at least such votes should be less suspicious than others.

Who seems the most curious to me right now is Lottie.

Because of her posts, namely those things:

Originally Posted by Loslote

Agan calls certain roles 'she' habitually - the one that comes to mind is the cobbler. I haven't noticed her calling the seer 'she' before, but it seems like an Aganish sort of thing to do.

Now if we are speaking of Cobbler hints, THIS might be one. And...

Originally Posted by Loslote

I don't really have suspicions at this point. Sally had that one post that caught my eye (in the painful, eye's-gone-now kind of way, not in the oh-that's-so-pretty kind of way), but other than that, not much. I can see where people are coming from about Pitchie, but I don't think I would have noticed it on my own, so I'm hesitant to point fingers at him. Mac's big post of postiness was unnerving, but the one game I played with him (at least, I think that's the only game) I thought the same think about innocent!Mac.

But I do have a lot of people who seem reasonably not-evil right now. Agan looks almost too good (I'm oh so used to suspecting her ). Kit looks really innocent so far - probably the most so - but I haven't played with her much, so I can't really be sure. Skip looks decent, in a not-ringing-any-alarms sort of way. Shasta seems rather innocent in a not-wolvish way.'

This was just a very well possibly Wolfy post. I mean, the sort of quiet raising of suspicion, putting in a few names and then saying you don't actually suspect them, but if any people follow your opinion, then you join the bandwaggon and point at that 'I have been saying that I suspect them all along'.

Therefore, since I have to vote

++Loslote

But okay, that's it from me, people - hope to meet you all toMorrow, then I should have far more time than toDay I had.

Edit: xed with Ozzy, whose timezone I will share in several hours...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Her idea about the Seer revealing toDay if he/she has a known Wolf is actually a good one, as we would limit the kills to 1 and the Ranger could also protect the Seer at least for one more Day.

I didn't say that! I never said anything about today. And I didn't say the seer should reveal but that she should keep in mind how many people die a night, and consider an early reveal if she deems it necessary.

INNOCENT
Inzil. Now, I know he's a very twisted person who has a tendency to feel bad when he's good and good when he's bad, but I like him at the moment.
Kit. Looks reasonable and I want to keep her around for longer.
Rikae. I want to keep her around for longer even if she's being enigmatic.
Cailín. I want to keep her around for longer.
Ozban. I've never played with him before plus he looks good enough so I don't think I'll vote for him.
Shasta. Seems okay.

GUILTY
Mac. Twisting my words and arguing against obvious stuff, plus his categorisation of people seems entirely arbitrary and he never bothered to explain it. I'm aware Mac and I don't always see eye to eye in werewolf, but I'd have nothing against lynching him today.
skip. Wants to vote for a quiet player (good), but if people like the idea the wolves may escape by posting more. Isn't that the point of it, so why does he put it negatively? A loud wolf is often easier to catch than a quiet, and nobody wants to lose to a one-liner/day wolf.
sally. Quiet.
Pitch. Wants to draw conclusions from the fact that the wolves probably want to keep their number intact as long as possible. Okay I'm not seriously suspecting him though.
Kath. Remembered day 1, ie. she's up to something.
Legate. Silly in the Legate way.
Boro. Doesn't strike me as particularly innocent (even if he doesn't feel exactly guilty either) and I will keep an eye on him just to be on the safe side.

I might vote for someone on the Guilty list, or then a quiet player. However now I need to go do the dishes, otherwise Lommy won't feed me tonight.

[wilwarin538]

Alrighty, I'm here. I meant to come on yesterday but a co-worker had a family emergency (everything is fine now, thank goodness) so I had to fill in her shift short notice. But I should be around quite consistently for the next few hours.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Oh yeah, and: quite a lot of talk about how various roles are likely to behave for such a basic game, isn't there?

I have to agree, when I was reading through I was really surprised, I mean I know there isn't much more to talk about on Day 1, but still. We've all played before, we know how everything works, it's not like there's some new dynamic we have to worry about (maybe the double kills, but that discussion ends at "let's get a wolfie asap", which is nothing new really). The Seer can reveal when they feel like it, most of us have working brains, so I'm sure they don't need our advice. And the Cobbler very well may leave hints, but we're not trying to get rid of the Cobbler right now, we're trying to get rid of wolves, so lets focus on that for the moment, shall we? Any speculation right now about the Cobbler could leave us on a false trail super easily, and talking about the Seer too much can draw attention to the Seer.

So moving on...

I refuse to jump on the Pitch wagon. Just the fact that so many people find him guilty makes me think him innocent, because it's Day 1 and bandwaggons rarely ever end well on Day 1. So I'm not even remotely considering voting him (toDay) unless something obvious happens.

Now how do I feel about others (this is mostly a vibe thing, I'm starving so I'll come back after lunch to look more closely). Well Cupcake and Pop seem too....normal? Those lovely girls are usually a bit, stranger, and more...exuberant. But I guess that's not really a good reason to suspect them. Rikae and Mac seem like themselves, I know Rikae is usually louder, but the quiet and mysterious thing isn't unlike her either. Boro isn't trying to do some weird psychological experiment on us, and hasn't stirred up any controversy, which is weird. I was just recently wolves with Legate and Inzil, and neither of them are acting the way they did in that game, so that's a good sign for them. Skip and Shasta seem logical. Agan, uhm, I don't know, it's too obvious for her to be the Cobbler, but then again that could be her whole plan, so I don't know. I'm forgetting people....

I really need to eat something, and then I'll come back to look more closely at everyone.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Except that it wasn't even the longest one. Agan's just below it was a lot longer and several above were about the same length (with more text, though), so.. huh?

Compared to the rest of your posts, it was the big one. I was specifying which post of yours unnerved me.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

When does Lottie "not really have suspicions"? Lottie always suspects someone. It bothers me that she apparently doesn't right now.

Not always. Usually, yes, but it's happened before that I simply haven't suspected anyone enough to warrant a vote. Believe me, I'm just as bothered by it as you are.

I probably won't be on again until a couple of hours before DL, but I do intend to come back and vote.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I refuse to jump on the Pitch wagon. Just the fact that so many people find him guilty makes me think him innocent, because it's Day 1 and bandwaggons rarely ever end well on Day 1. So I'm not even remotely considering voting him (toDay) unless something obvious happens.

This strikes me as trying too hard. What 'Pitch-wagon'?