Gandalf Vs. The Witch King - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

cfwmac007 · 11-20-2010, 05:22 AM

this is taken directectly from david day's bestiary

" the most terrible o th the maiar spirits who became servants of melkor, the dark enemy, were those who were transformed into demons. in the high elven tongue they were named the valaraukar, but in middle-earth were called balrogs."

gandalf does not have an easy fight for they fight from the deepest parts of moria to the peak of Zirakzigil.

Taken from appendix b at the back of the return of the king,
"23 gandalf pursues the balrog to the peak of zirakzigil.
25 he cast down the balrog, and passes away. his body lies on the peak.

february
14 the mirror of galadriel. gandalf returns to life and lies in a trance."

also in appendix b

"the istari... were messengers sent to contest the power of sauron, and to unite all those who had the will to resit him: but they were forbidden to match his power with power, or to seek to dominate elves or men by force and fear."

even after being sent back he is still heavily restricted. they don't want to replace one tyrant with another, remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Morthoron · 11-20-2010, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cfwmac007

this is taken directectly from david day's bestiary

Sorry Mac, but David Day is about as reliable as a drunken, one-eyed night watchman...in the fog.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 11-20-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

Sorry Mac, but David Day is about as reliable as a drunken, one-eyed night watchman...in the fog.

But only when said watchman has an eye-infection?

First time I've heard this guy mentioned, actually. Who is he?

Pitchwife · 11-20-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But only when said watchman has an eye-infection?

First time I've heard this guy mentioned, actually. Who is he?

In the unlikely, but not entirely impossible case that you're not kidding, see here.

To be fair, the quote cfwmac007* gave is not that terribly off the mark, but in general, I think Morth has described Day's reliability very well. I guess the success of his books is largely due to Day's undeniable talent for recruiting good illustrators.
I still own a copy of his Bestiary - in German translation to boot, which was obviously made by someone who hadn't read Tolkien's original books - , and while the pictures are mostly gorgeous, the text suffers from a curious mix of simplification and personal speculation passed off as fact.

*Welcome to the Downs, by the way! With a name like that, I first took you for one of the spambots who have been haunting this place in ever-increasing flocks recently. Glad to see I was mistaken; enjoy being dead!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 11-21-2010, 05:54 AM

Thanks Pitch. Can't imagine how I enjoyed Tolkien without this guy to help me.

cfwmac007 · 11-21-2010, 09:23 AM

lol i get that often. so of the quites i used come directly out of the appendex of the lord of the rings at end of the return of the king. i cant find my simerilian for additional quotes. the ones that sent the istari wanted to avoid making another sauron and is why they were restricted in abilites. had gandalf had full use of his power he could mop the floor with WK and he would not even have to blink, but gandalf is basically fighting with two arms and a leg tied behind his back with a bad toe fungus on the remaining foot. its a shame the oh j r r is not here himself... or even chris

narfforc · 11-22-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

But only when said watchman has an eye-infection?

First time I've heard this guy mentioned, actually. Who is he?

I actually met him at Oxomoot many years ago, mad as a march hare. He was asked to leave after annoying everybody with his latest attempts at latching on to the works of Tolkien. He was adamant that some kind of Bible Code could done with numbers in Tolkiens books...ie:- one ....nine.....seven.....three are the rings....what year did Tolkien die?....1973...there was lots more, I've never seen any news of his book since.

Pitchwife · 11-22-2010, 04:17 PM

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He was adamant that some kind of Bible Code could done with numbers in Tolkiens books...ie:- one ....nine.....seven.....three are the rings....what year did Tolkien die?....1973

*jawdrop*
Gosh, he's right! I never noticed that!

Moreover, the numbers of the rings add up to 20, and most of LoTR was written at 20 Northmoor Road. It all makes sense now...

elronds_daughter · 11-22-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

It all makes sense now...

If things keep going this direction, this might need to be moved to Mirth...

Galadriel · 01-11-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by narfforc

I actually met him at Oxomoot many years ago, mad as a march hare. He was asked to leave after annoying everybody with his latest attempts at latching on to the works of Tolkien. He was adamant that some kind of Bible Code could done with numbers in Tolkiens books...ie:- one ....nine.....seven.....three are the rings....what year did Tolkien die?....1973...there was lots more, I've never seen any news of his book since.

Oh wow O.O I never noticed that!

11-21-2010, 05:54 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Thanks Pitch. Can't imagine how I enjoyed Tolkien without this guy to help me. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

11-20-2010, 05:22 AM	#1
cfwmac007 Newly Deceased Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3	this is taken directectly from david day's bestiary " the most terrible o th the maiar spirits who became servants of melkor, the dark enemy, were those who were transformed into demons. in the high elven tongue they were named the valaraukar, but in middle-earth were called balrogs." gandalf does not have an easy fight for they fight from the deepest parts of moria to the peak of Zirakzigil. Taken from appendix b at the back of the return of the king, "23 gandalf pursues the balrog to the peak of zirakzigil. 25 he cast down the balrog, and passes away. his body lies on the peak. february 14 the mirror of galadriel. gandalf returns to life and lies in a trance." also in appendix b "the istari... were messengers sent to contest the power of sauron, and to unite all those who had the will to resit him: but they were forbidden to match his power with power, or to seek to dominate elves or men by force and fear." even after being sent back he is still heavily restricted. they don't want to replace one tyrant with another, remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

11-21-2010, 09:23 AM	#6
cfwmac007 Newly Deceased Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3	lol i get that often. so of the quites i used come directly out of the appendex of the lord of the rings at end of the return of the king. i cant find my simerilian for additional quotes. the ones that sent the istari wanted to avoid making another sauron and is why they were restricted in abilites. had gandalf had full use of his power he could mop the floor with WK and he would not even have to blink, but gandalf is basically fighting with two arms and a leg tied behind his back with a bad toe fungus on the remaining foot. its a shame the oh j r r is not here himself... or even chris