WW LLXVIII: Yar Har Har and a Bottle o' Rum

[Boromir88]

Yar, har har, I be alive. I be thinkin' there was a bit more than jus' rum in thar drink, sumone must 'ave slipped somethin' sinister t' catch me off my wits! Which one of ye dogs did it! (And mind ye do it again for me?)

[Rikae]

EW, that smilied bit was actually kind of an inside joke from RL WW at our recent moot - Boro and Wilwa were there, they'll know what I mean.

I won't be around much for a while - I will be watching sports (that's right - I realize this is suspiciously out of character ) but when I return, I'd like to give the votes yesterDay a close look. Right now Inzil's defensiveness is making me uneasy, but at the same time. I'm not sure why so many people ended up voting for Morsul, since my vote was pretty clearly a throwaway - and indeed, one of those people was a cobbler. Shasta's "my only other option is Morsul" seems kind of out of place - I don't see why it should have been. Well, I'll be back in a few hours...

[Rikae]

I got distracted - the above should read "is making me uneasy, but at the same time, I'm aware that Inzil always makes me a bit uneasy."

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Wilwa

If Morsul is guilty, then Glirdan likely is too, since he was the one who saved him there. So basically everyone who voted after me voted for someone who had votes already, Inzil doesn't look bad for it, Nerwen kind of. Mac kind of does though (in my opinion more then 3 votes for the same person in a row is a bad sign). Shasta looks really good, he split up the votes, which is nice, and if Morsul is guilty Shasta probably isn't. BeiGei's vote is interesting, since it made the tie, she's likely innocent if Morsul is guilty. Elf-Warrior's vote is kind of bad too.

And just because you're the first one who voted Eonwe makes you look completely innocent?? I would beg to differ. If anything, all of us who voted for him should be under some suspicion today and I will not deny that those of us who voted later probably look more suspicious.

As for my vote, I had voted between the two people I thought the more likely to be guilty. As I've said, I've seen Morsul do this in more then one game and it usually turns out that he's innocent. However, I am still suspicious of him due to his vote for Nerwen. It just seemed completely out of place and the so called "random" vote with an explanation? Hmm....

But for me, who is really jumping out at me is Elf-Warrior. When I had voted yetserDay, I was under the impression that only Boro and I were the only two who had not voted at that point, thus making me think I had two options: 1) Break the tie or 2) Throw away my vote. I wasn't going to throw away my vote seeing I actually had some suspicions yesterDay. Then, eight minutes after I had voted and two minutes before deadline, EW pops up, votes Eonwe and completely sealed his fate. This smells very fishy to me..

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

And just because you're the first one who voted Eonwe makes you look completely innocent?? I would beg to differ. If anything, all of us who voted for him should be under some suspicion today and I will not deny that those of us who voted later probably look more suspicious.

Uhm, I actually didn't say anything about my vote looking bad or not. I don't really make a habit of anylysing my own votes. So I don't know what you're saying, cause I never said my vote made me look innocent. (though, it doesn't really make me look bad, in comparison to later voters)

[Rikae]

Day one voting:

Eonwe -> Glirdan

Originally Posted by Eonwe

So far, e's jus' been latchin' on t' what's been said, an' twistin' it in 'is own way.

Known innocent, fair enough.

Wilwa -> Eonwe

Originally Posted by Wilwa

He seems really defensive over fairly small comments. For example:

Reasonable sounding and I agreed with her at the time - could just as easily be fishy or ordinary, doesn't tell much.

Morsul -> Nerwen

Originally Posted by Morsul

Based on She's posted the most and With her Piratey talk confused me...

I don't approve of this, as I mentioned before, but that's because I don't really consider it good form, not because it's necessarily suspicious. It's actually pretty Morsul-ish and, again, doesn't tell us much.

Rikae -> Morsul

Originally Posted by Rikae

Because if you're going to make a random vote, make a random vote, but explaining your vote in a way that seems to apply to another person (it seems as though he thinks he's voting for Blind Guardian)? Such laziness deserves a reprimand.

Basically a throwaway vote/making a point, due to misgivings about voting Eonwe or Glirdy.

Inzil->Eonwe

Originally Posted by Inzil

Eönwë's edginess gives him the worst cast. I also recall the way he kept saying things to the effect of "How do we get the Fishmen?" "Let's talk about how to get the Fishmen." I tend to see that as a sign of evil intent.

Again looks like a fairly solid argument based on the little we had to go on. The placement is maybe somewhat worrying, since it's the second vote for Eonwe; certainly more worrying if Glirdan, Nerwen or Morsul is evil. If not, then it would tend to make Inzil look more innocentish in my eyes, since I doubt Fishzil would want to be responsible for getting the Eonwe-wagon rolling.

Shasta -> Morsul

Originally Posted by Shasta

I think Eonwe's getting a little too much suspicion at the moment. Could be wolf-on-wolf done too well, or there could be wolvery behind it. I don't think I'll be voting him. Nerwen and Glirdan seem okay to me, so really, my only other option is -

++Morsul

On second thought, this doesn't look terribly bad, although in Shasta's position here I wouldn't necessarily limit my options to those who already had votes. I am interested in knowing why he finds Glirdan and Nerwen innocentish, though.

Autume -> Morsul

Originally Posted by Autume

I really don't feel like putting in another vote for Eonwe and making that a bandwagon. Unless you call two votes a bandwagon in which case I don't feel comfortable jumping on that bandwagon.

I'm really not comfortable with what Morsul did, and I have no problem voting for him. Since I need to put my vote in:

Known cobbler - seems to have thought Eonwe was evil.

Blind Guardian -> Morsul

Originally Posted by BG

I have a bad feeling about this but...
++Morsul

For the above stated reasons. Tired...

However, I couldn't find the "above stated reasons". BG's last post was:

Originally Posted by BG

1Am forum time?!?! That's 11 here! Woo...this is weird. I should start looking for someone to vote for -_-

-which has a really bad ring to it, but I'll try not to be biased by that, since I would generally expect a wolf to be careful not to say such bad-sounding things. I can only assume BG means the reasons stated above by other people... care to explain, Guardian?

Nerwen -Eonwe

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Morsul's vote be scuvy, 'tis for sure, but

++Eonwe

be actin' more like as he have summat to hide.

'Tis the best I can do, shipmates.

I orignially found the last remark cobblerish, but that's not possible. Certainly an evil Morsul would reflect very badly on Nerwen here - perhaps too badly, as I don't think an evil Nerwen would save a comrade so obviously. "Something to hide" could, of course, always be giftedness, so it's possible Nerwen chose what she thought was a gifted for lynching.

Mac -> Eonwe

Originally Posted by Mac

The reasons given for Morsul-votes deserve some examination toMorrow. There's something mighty fishy going on.

Apparently he votes Eonwe because he feels the Morsul-voters are a rescue party? Although this is a decent enough reason, it would also have been an excellent place for a wolf to hide, playing off what he may have recognized as cobblery somewhere in the Morsul-voting group. I'll be interested in reading his analysis.

Glirdan -> Eonwe

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Between him and Morsul, my gut is telling me to vote for him. He's been overly defensive about some of the smallest things and just seems the fishier out of the two. I've seen Morsul pull this one post and vote thing before and it usually turns out that he's innocent.

Nothing much to say -Eonwe is already in the lead at this point, and Glirdan's points, though reasonable, have already been said by others. A very safe vote, I'd say.

Elf-Warrior -> Eonwe

Originally Posted by EW

Well, I don't think Morsul is suspicious, but I think Eönwë is somewhat suspicious. The thing about fish bein' still awake after a night of killing seems to me to be an unjustified application of the game mechanics to real life.

Same as with Glirdan, although even more pointless. EW seems to be missing the point on the "rule of three" thing, at least as I understand it: I always thought the idea was that wolves were anxious to post and influence the day's analysis/show how helpful they are early in the Day. This talk of unfair meta-reasoning reads a bit fishy, too. I wouldn't necessarily expect an ordo to read Eonwe and Nerwen's talk of excited baddies in this way, somehow.

Seems as though we either have an evil Morsul, a misguided cobbler, and a couple of wolves among the Eonwe-voters (Mac? Glirdan? EW?) or an evil Shasta or BG (but I highly doubt both) and an innocent Morsul, in which case Mac's analysis will be especially interesting. Morsul's role would be enlightening, but then again, there's some very weakly reasoned voting in the later Eonwe-wagon that has me worried.

[Blind Guardian]

Lol the others above stated reasons not mine.

Edit: xed with boro

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Rikae

EW, that smilied bit was actually kind of an inside joke from RL WW at our recent moot - Boro and Wilwa were there, they'll know what I mean.

Hehehe, the search for the disappeared 3rd packmate and Agan getting trapped by saying "I'm as much of a wolf as you are?"

Alright, so what have I gleaned so far.

1. autume death. Funny how it's the wolf-fishies ally again. Totally not me this time, I don't even think anyone (even me) could get that unlucky, to whack of their own cobbler night 1, 3 straight times.

However, one post I do find rather interesting is #53 she rather strongly defends Glirdan.

In response to Rikae:

I'm just as confused by this. I didn't really see an explanation for why suspicion was cast onto Glirdan.

And slightly suspicious of wilwa for saying something against Glirdan:

Wilwa - mentions finds Glirdan slightly suspicious.

The other 'slightly suspicious' person autume has is Eonwe. Defends a single person, keeps suspicion list quite small, I could see evil fishes thinking tum was the seer.

However, being the cultist, her posts should be read trying to signal the fishes to her role. Then again why would fish-Glirdan want to kill someone who was defending him? In these games he usually needs all the help he can get...with how lustful the rest of us are to see him hang.

2. I don't like Zil. Period. His reasons against Eonwe were wishy hog-wash. Eonwe was edgy, so that makes him evil? Huh? I thought it was standard for wolves to have much sweeter tone in their voices?

3. I think Mac mentioned the accumulation of Morsul votes to prevent the Eonwe bandwagoning, should be checked. Agree 100%.

Last game I partook in, I learned quite a bit of valuable info. Day 1, packmate Lottie was getting some suspicions, I casted a quick 2nd vote and bluntly said I was band-wagoning to start a "save Lottie from the bandwagon!" movement. It worked, and we giggled.

Although in this scenario, there is a bandwagon of uneasiness about the Eonwe votes, so lets bandwagon against this guy! It can look quite good for a wolf to be such a stout defender of an unjust bandwagoning. And, there was quite a bit of echoing sentiments to not bandwagon against Eonwe.

With that being said, I also know how easy it is to manipulate emotions on Day 1. And thus how easy it is to lead innocents to be like..."AHH bad bandwagon against Eonwe! Umm let me vote this creepy vote!" Then all of a sudden there's a bandwagon against that person. Long story short, I see the votes you're talking about Mac. But I'm also watching you and Wilwa. Capiche?

Summary. Feel the most comfortable with Glirdan. Limbo of trust and wariness with Mac and Wilwa. Slightly more suspicious of the, don't bandwagon Eonwe, vote Morsul entourage. Don't like Zil.

Edit: crossed with Rikae. This post legit took a while as I was suddenly bombarded by an apartment of people who thought it was a travesty that I haven't seen Mulan yet.