Gandalf Vs. The Witch King

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Why do either? It was unnecessary. It was a deliberate manipulation by the director, like many throughout the films, that was inelegant and presupposed that the audience was too stupid to actually comprehend a more sophisticated and subtle plot.

Just to give you an idea on this one, a person I know recently (I mean within the last few months) found out there were books.... More importantly she was sooo excited she screamed "They made a novelization of the movies, awesome!" until she started reading them... after which she said to me "JRR Tolkien butchered Peter Jackson's masterpiece" *FacePalm*

So I'll agree people can in fact be really stupid... especially in these modern times, where learning isn't important anymore... but That is a different discussion

[Mugwump]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

a person I know recently found out there were books.... she was sooo excited she screamed "They made a novelization of the movies, awesome!" until she started reading them... after which she said to me "JRR Tolkien butchered Peter Jackson's masterpiece" *FacePalm*

That story sounds apocryphal, but I like it.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

So I'll agree people can in fact be really stupid... especially in these modern times, where learning isn't important anymore...

We have to keep them that way, or they might not vote correctly. But That is a different discussion

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Mugwump

That story sounds apocryphal, but I like it.


We have to keep them that way, or they might not vote correctly. But That is a different discussion

Ok after grabbing a dictionary my assumption of the meaning of apocryphal is correct...
I know it sounds doubtful but if you knew this person you'd expect ANY idiocy... I'm talking Jessica Simpson "Chicken of the Sea" stupid... ok annnywho. as for voting depends which side you support... sh... chat skewerels.. do you hear them?

[JoltFlame]

He'd to do either because, eventually, Gandalf had to come across The Black Captain, in one way or another and as described in the novel, before Gandalf, the Lord of the Nazgûl lifted high his sword and fire sprang down the blade.

Peter Jackson simply prolonged their meeting as opposed to their confrontation in the novel.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by JoltFlame

He'd to do either because, eventually, Gandalf had to come across The Black Captain, in one way or another and as described in the novel, before Gandalf, the Lord of the Nazgûl lifted high his sword and fire sprang down the blade.

So...because the WiKi had a firey blade, that means...what? It sounds like WiKi is desperately trying to impress one of his betters. Gandalf was renowned for fireworks, he obviously didn't find showing off necessary. Why would he? In all the bar fights I've had (and there were quite a few back in my band days), it's the ones with the biggest mouths and overt displays of brawn that fall quickest, because they are not thinking of the next move. It's the quiet ones you've got to worry about.

As I stated earlier, WiKi's fancy blade was of little use in battle. And he tried to use the same bravado on the maiden Eowyn, and a fat lot of good it did him. As both a leader and a warrior he was a miserable failure in the War of the Ring.

Originally Posted by JoltFlame

Peter Jackson simply prolonged their meeting as opposed to their confrontation in the novel.

That was just PJ in his fan-fic mode. There is no evidence anywhere in the book that Gandalf was going to fall to the WiKi; as a matter of fact, Gandalf had already faced a greater foe in the Balrog, a Maia like himself.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

That was just PJ in his fan-fic mode. There is no evidence anywhere in the book that Gandalf was going to fall to the WiKi; as a matter of fact, Gandalf had already faced a greater foe in the Balrog, a Maia like himself.

And the Balrog had a flame-sword himself, and Gandalf wielding Glamdring made short work of it. The WK had his power of Terror going for him, and poisoned darts and such, but against a foe such as Glorfindel or Gandalf, who were unaffected by his aura of fear, he was relatively impotent.

[Mugwump]

Yes, his power was to inspire fear. He had no magic or staff-destroying magic tricks.