WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Nogrod]

Porgy and Bess... erm... Lottie and Bes... part 1

Lottie says on Bes...

D2

Originally Posted by list

Bes is new. I don't know his style yet, but he does seem a tad bit off. I'll look at him later, probably not toDay.

Really, I think only Nog, Lommy, and Bes look at all wolvish to me.

D3

Originally Posted by list

Bes still looks suspicious to me. He is a newbie, so I'm not looking very hard at him yet, but I do think he could easily be a wolf.
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Bes, Lommy, and Nog still look the worst to me.

Don't lynch me toDay, because I am the Secret Role. I am a limited seer. I have only one dream, on Night Four - aka, toNight.

For a new suspect: How about Bes? The more I look at him, the more uneasy I get, but I don't have time to analyze him right now. I've only got fifteen minutes or so before I've got to go...

Originally Posted by adding to a Besanalysis

He hasn't come on again, but when you look at him, he never really says anything...might just be newbieness, might be wolfishness. As he's my top suspect

Votes Bes.

D4

"Reveals" Pitchwolf, gives a Lommyanalysis... ending with

All in all, I do think Lommy's probably another wolf, and I'm still suspicious of Bes, but I"m not going to analyze him again.

But here comes the change (Like immediately after)! (bolding mine)

Originally Posted by Lottie

This kind of makes me not suspect Bes as much. It looks like Pitchwolf was trying to hint that I should dream about Bes, when my dreaming Bes wouldn't really have offered much to work with, other than his own role. Hmm...anyway,

Later she mentions Bes only:

Might be playing up the newbie card, but what with Pitchie's 'suggestion' I'm more willing to believe that Bes really is just a newbie, not a wolf. Still, he's one to keep an eye on.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Okay, that's pretty much exactly what I said.

There was a mini-conflict yesterDay about Bes's idea that my reveal was trying to get rid of the Ranger, and no one understood what he meant. His post explains what he was thinking, at least.

Originally Posted by Lottie

This post does look very strange.

Which it is...

But yesterDay or toDay... no mention of Bes at all...


So Lottie really is after Bes on D2 & 3, but after the crucial Night she backs away from him using Pitchie's odd suspicion (was it a suspicion after all?) as a ground for it. And now she has nothing to say of him?

So Bes being an original wolf and Lottie turning into one on N4 would fit perfectly.

[satansaloser2005]

Nog: Forgive the personal and completely stupid question (as I'm too lazy to check) but was your birthday at the same time as Lottie's dream Night? Or was it another date?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Nog: Forgive the personal and completely stupid question (as I'm too lazy to check) but was your birthday at the same time as Lottie's dream Night? Or was it another date?

I think it was the next day (December 5th - as mine was Dec 4th...). If you think that important to know.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think it was the next day (December 5th - as mine was Dec 4th...). If you think that important to know.

Not exactly, but given....erm, the point is that since there was a birthday dreamer I was trying to decide if the Night was specifically chosen and I couldn't remember if it was on your birthday or not. Being silly, really, but I thought it interesting.

[Nogrod]

Bes then... (part 2)

He looks so confused the first Days that no newbie should be... I'm not sure if it's theatre or real confusion.

Suggests what if no one voted on D1, says he waits for a PM from the mod to clear rules to him, explains his vote on Mac, makes an analysis on Mac, decides not to vote (D2) as could not form an opinion...

Then reacts to Lottie's revealment of her role...

If she's telling the truth, then she's put herself in a perfect position to get night killed, and (if I understand how it works properly) be prevented from ever revealing her dream. Waiting until tomorrow to reveal and telling everyone what she dreamed would have easily prevented that, and I don't think the suspicion against her is sufficient at the moment for lynching to be a big concern for her. Which makes me think that this is a false reveal by a nervous wolf, following up an easy vote on someone that's been stumbling over his own feet through the game so far.

Now this looks like genuinely confused...

I don't agree with the notion that Lottie's reveal makes sense, since as has been mentioned and re-mentioned, her being lynched today before she made that post was hardly likely. If she's a wolf, then this would be a good way to get the Ranger out of the way, so if a real seer pops up later they would have no defense against accidental lynching.
I need to make a vote today, so at the risk of looking suspicious my vote goes for Lottie. I'd ask if lynching her could prevent the Ranger from potentially being lost to a false seer, which is my hope, but by the time I will be able to read the answer the night will have begun.

Like this...

Votes Lottie anyway.

Then comes the crucial Day4 (after N4 when Lottie dreamt / changed?).

He starts with more confusion about the roles (is he playing us for a fool or is he seriously that far off the rules one could read from anywhere?)

but I didn't realize that the Ranger doesn't actually die when they protect someone who gets attacked in the night

Wait. So a seer chooses who to dream about? Like, even if they're a real seer?

Originally Posted by Bes after Lottie's reveal

I'm having trouble coming up with anything like a decent counter to the arguments that favor voting Pitch today. As has been stated by others, if Pitch isn't a wolf, then Lottie will get lynched tomorrow and that's still a wolf down (probably). If Pitch is a wolf, apologies and thanks are in order, if only on my part, to Lottie. We lose Pitch, of course, and that's sad if he's innocent, but apparently how the game is played. Sorry Pitch.

D5 & 6

He suddenly seems to get the hang of it... mainly to defend himself (from basically nonexistant suspicions...

Gets really odd again with the "Birthday dreamer" stuff...


I'm getting crazy with him!

Soo confused and out of everything... and here and there clearly seeing what's going on (already in the earlier Days, not only on the last ones).