WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Plus the fact that the game started... on Legate's birthday.

That was a good one. I mean really it might make sense...

Edit: X'ed with Nog. Remember where absolutes get you, Nog? (Hint: Roa wasn't a wolf.)

Where do you find "absolutes" in my last post?

[Nogrod]

Okay, I found at least this from Valier's WWJ Attack of the Werecats:The ppuuuurrfect village (06)

Originally Posted by rules

The Birthday Dreamer:The fifth night will be one Ordinary villagers birthday. They will receive a pm from me during the Day letting them know it's their birthday. That night they will dream about a villager of their choice. If they choose a Gifted, they will become that gifted as well, for the rest of the game. If they choose a Werecat they will become one themselves and join the pack. If they choose an Ordo the game will continue as normal.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Where do you find "absolutes" in my last post?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Thirdly it might very well be that when she had to come up with this "one Night seer" -role to hide her real role she wished to give it a name

See? You're not even considering it a theory, anymore - you're assuming that it's fact. Just trying to prevent you from getting egg on your face (again).

Edit: X'ed with she who puts the moon's quiet beauty to shame.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

You're not even considering it a theory, anymore - you're assuming that it's fact.

"It might (very well) be" = absolute judgement?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

"It might (very well) be" = absolute judgement?

No, Nog, the part where you say "to hide her real role". We're getting into a battle of semantics, though, so I'm going to drop it. *sigh*

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

No, Nog, the part where you say "to hide her real role". We're getting into a battle of semantics, though, so I'm going to drop it. *sigh*

If I start a sentence with "It might be that..." it does mark everything said thereafter in that sentence as a possible thing to my ear - and not absolute. Maybe English doesn't work like that? Finnish works like that.

I think it's wise to cut short with semantics though, not to say cut off with "battles" on this...

[Morsul the Dark]

++Sally Same reasons as yesterday... Not a fan of this two person game at the moment... Guess I'll see how it pans out...

Cleaning update if anyone cares Almost done 2-3 more hours oughta do it!

[Nogrod]

I seemingly have used quite a lot of time with this idea of a Birthday dreamer... but I think it is a thing we should actually think about, especially with what Boro says about Lottie acting differently after gaining her status... I'm going to check back on it to see if I get the same feeling from there. The thing that I noticed while searching for her wordings was, that on the Day she revealed Pitchie she immediately had a lengthy analysis on Lommy ready deeming her quilty, and I think she has sticked to it ever since.

On another thoughts I think Lommy's defence was fiery and personal enough to make her look better to me. Even if I think she overreacted and even if I know it's not once a wolf has wrestled herself out from lynching with getting personal... And sorry Lommy, I had totally forgotten your votes on Mnemo on the first two Days (as I said I was in a hurry just trying to see for something that would make sense to me what you were doing there in the end of the Day). Not that these things make me think you're pure as an angel they actually lessen my suspicions on you quite a lot. Not to speak of that band-waggon that just appeared from nowhere in minutes...

Also what Nerwen said about Bes being a possible panicky wolf-cub. I was actually confused as no one seemed to react to my suspicions on Bes yesterDay...

Originally Posted by me

I would still say that the way Bes tried to reason us lynching Lottie before she had time to have a possibility to dream and come up with something we could consider looks wolvish

If my theory of the Birthday dreamer is right that might be a wolf-cub trying to get a "seer" lynched - and then she might have changed into an ally the coming Night, which would be quite ironic but not too far-fetched anyway...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also what Nerwen said about Bes being a possible panicky wolf-cub. I was actually confused as no one seemed to react to my suspicions on Bes yesterDay...

I was mostly operating under the assumption that I agreed with Shasta, that I wondered since Pitch and Mnemo were after eachother, I doubted if Pitch would throw out another wolf like that..."Here Lottie. Look at Bes." But if Legate's kept the basic premise of the Birthday Dreamer, turning into whatever role of the person she picks, than that changes how I feel about Bes. Particularly with now the defense of how you bringing this up doesn't make sense, when Bes was quick and adamant about rejecting Lottie's claim being a limitted-seer before.

I'm sure my switch looks suspicious too, but I've been presented with a view about a different role I hadn't even thought about (nor heard, but it sounded similar to the mytho-maniac). It just looks really suspicious that now you (Nog) proposed something that supported Bes' not believing Lottie's claim, that he's had a sudden switch.

In my opinion, whether you are right or not, today is our best shot to find out. If you are right (meaning we have 3 wolves and not 2) we don't absolutely need a wolf today, but this gives us 1 less day than I thought we previously had, making our situation more desperate.

If you are wrong, we still have 2 wolves, and that Lottie was telling the full truth about her role. Since it's been thoroughly discussed this is something we need to find out.

We know Lottie is not the Ranger or the Hunter. She is either a wolf due to the Birthday Dreamer role, or an innocent. It's worth the risk to find out for sure today, than to mis-lynch (or drag out) one of our gifteds. Then to also be stuck in the same decision the next day, because with all this talk about it, if Lottie is innocent I doubt she will end up killed by the wolves now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If I start a sentence with "It might be that..." it does mark everything said thereafter in that sentence as a possible thing to my ear - and not absolute. Maybe English doesn't work like that? Finnish works like that.

The way you've phrased that sentence, "might be" seems to apply only to Lottie wishing to give the role a name.

Anyway, I have to go now. I'm definitely not ready to vote yet, so I'll have to risk not getting back before the DL.