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Hi, I'm back.
Brinn, about my earlier defense - let me just say I was dismayed at my error (not the first in this game) and felt I owed the village some open words. True, there were no accusations at the time, but I could see them coming, and as I knew I would be away for quite a while (for RL reasons) I thought I'd say what I had to say while I had the time. But I won't belabour the point any more. Hakon - well, I don't know. Wouldn't a wolf-cub have been briefed a little better by his packmates? My impression is more like he's on his own and out in deep water and desperately flailing around. But I'm not sure whether to trust that judgement at the moment. McCaber, while you're around, I have some questions about this statement of yours from yesterDay: Quote:
2. Don't you think it probable that if Kit had revealed on Day 1, she would have escaped lynching? If not, why? True, we couldn't have tested her veracity on the spot, but don't you think enough of us would have given her the benefit of doubt to ensure her survival that Day. 3. Between the NG and the Ranger, don't you think we could have kept her alive for, let's say, 2-3 Nights at least? If not, why? And even if she'd been killed eventually before she could dream a wolf, would we be any worse off than we are now? I'm more interested in your reasoning than in the matter itself, which, as I said, has long been void. But that statement just confused me. Nogrod - the main thing I found somewhat suspicious about you earlier was that during most of the game up to now, I got the impression you had been replaced with some HongKong imitation - looking almost like the original, but cheaper to produce and just not quite as good as the genuine article. Obviously you've realized that yourself, and as you seem to be coming back to true shape lately, I'm much more inclined to trust you (be afraid of me as much as you like - I don't expect otherwise, and I can take it). There's still the matter of the one kill the Night you were Guarded, of course. I'm not inclined to make a judgement based on that alone, after the Legate desaster, but I still think wilwa's #441 yesterDay had a good point. (x-ed with Sally #518 ff.)
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Since I was mostly done when Sally posted hers... here is just a different perspective and now I shall go read hers.
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Wight of the Old Forest
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Nog, direct answer to your direct question:
1. The Plan When I first heard our Mayor set forth the special rules about the NG, I more or less had the same idea Mnemo suggested. As we didn't know our roles at that time, I considered how I, in case I was made a wolf, would like to deal with something like The Plan, if it came up. I thought it would be quite plain to see that such a plan, if followed through, would be in the best interest of the village, and arguing against it would be a) difficult and b) likely to cause suspicion. So what should the wolves, according to my reasoning, do? Hardly bring the suggestion up themselves, but support it when it came up, and then find a way to circumvene it. So, assuming the actual wolves were thinking remotely like I was thinking as a hypothetical wolf, it would make sense to look for them among the supporters of The Plan, wouldn't it? (Not Mnemo herself, of course, but at least some of those who argued for her. And remember, I was among those, so I was actually inviting people to have a close look at me.) 2. The Legwagon / Zil voters I was about to say the reasoning is all in the post you quoted from, but looking back now I realize there's actually an appalling fault in my reasoning there. Quoting myself: Quote:
But the short answer to your question is: yes, in both cases I said what I said because I really thought so myself at the time. EDIT: x-ed with Nog's last.
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Pitchie, I do agree with your questions to McCaber, not the least as I still think some of us haven't made those deductions as yet...
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Pitchie, could you just tell us why did you think guarding Shasta would be a good idea yesterDay? I mean more than "just for a change"?
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To get this done early enough even in a provisional form (subject to changes as I have time to read on), so just a feeling of it right now...
Greenie - I'm just scared... She's too careful and good in this. Boro - As I've said earlier, I'm a bit in doubt about his kind of soft suspicions which look like probing around but if they are time-issues I could understand them. Brinn - The enigmatic ever innocent even when a wolf. I suspected her on the first Days and now am torn - the option of Kit being killed because she voted for her "out of the blue" kind of bothers me though... We'd need to cross-index a few things I think... Also I don't believe Brinn honestly believes in Shasta's "psychic powers" so her vote to guard him looks dubious indeed as the wolves would love to guard a non-participator. Hakon - looks the foulest but I'm not sure if he feels like it. His last apology looked genuine... McCaber - I could vote him but I'm afraid that an evil McCaber would have been more active... Nerwen - Looks very good so far even if I suspected her as well on the first Days (and especially the fact that everyone trusted her) - so have I fallen victim to her charms or am I right? Nessa - Facing modfire so let's skip her. Nienna - Feels better than foul. Nilp - Torn with him, really. Makes good points and is very active... well normally (being innocent) he is quite flegmatic, so? Pitchwife - Very sensible but just because of that suspicious. So on top of things that it hurts sometimes ![]() Sally - Has gotten better lately but has also been suspected more lately as well - so that's natural. Her end of the Day actions look really suspicious (just sitting back and relaxing on one Day posting tallies, voting for Shasta-guard at the last moment to tie the guards for the dice-roll yesterDay etc.). Shasta - Probably innocent as it looks he couldn't care less... Well bad if one joins a game with that attitude but anyway he's in this game and we need to work with that fact. wilwa - A tough call. Really good - and thence frightening.
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Direct answer to Nog about my Shasta Guard vote:
In addition to what I said earlier toDay: OK, maybe he wasn't a very likely wolf target - but then again, you never know; anyway, I felt it was time to use the NG as it was meant to - i.e. to keep alive somebody we feel is innocent, not to test and safeguard people we have second thoughts about (as I had about Nerwen at the time). And unlike you, I like to keep those who haven't said that much around and give them a chance to improve. ![]() I like your assessment of me in your last post very much, by the way; now could you please make up your mind?
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Some might say that's a difference of opinion but if you think about it it's a question of good for the village and bad. Quote:
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It feels stupid to argue this stuff again but I'll try to make it short. Clearly Mnemo's plan was good for the village. Even you admit it in a way in your post there. And the reality has kind of underlined that. And there was no real danger. The village would have NG'd Kit the first Night and the ranger would have taken the next one - no need to give up names of innocents during the way or the ranger declaring s/he's doing her/his job. And on the next Night vice versa... A rival claim would have been dealt with double protections until toDay (or yesterDay) and then we would have called for a list from both seer-candidates... Much better than what we have now - and even if looking at it from the perpective of Day1 above the probabilities otherwise I'd say.
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And the point of my post was?
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Nog, I never said The Plan was bad. Remember I supported it? Remember I said the same things you're now saying to me to McCaber a few posts ago?
What I'm saying is, The Plan was so good I thought everybody could see it was good, so everybody arguing against it would make themselves suspicious. Hence the wolves - at least some of them - might have found themselves driven to support it, although The Plan itself was bad for them, to make themselves look good. Whether I was right assuming so is another question, but that is what I meant. EDIT: typos and tense corrected.
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But that answer prolly should wait for toMorrow as we have a lynch and a guarding to discuss in half an hour's time... But why I discussed this was that I thought your evaluation of it being more probable to find a wolf on the opposing-side to the plan I think is dead-wrong.
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Alright it is about twenty minutes to deadline and I have to go now. I will put in both my votes. This is hard for me since it seems everyone is leaning towards lynching me. Although the truth is only some of you are. Sally, you are great at twisting words. Reminds me of my mother. Very bad talent to have. The people who I am most suspicious of are Nerwen, Pitch and Boro. Nerwen because she starts these bandwagons and something is just off about her. I know none of you are going to vote her but she might be a wolf. Pitch, this entire game you have come off as innocent. I have only seen you play the role of a gifted before and you do not come off as innocent. This leads to believe that you are a possibly a wolf. Since it is just too innocent. For Boro I just think that Eonwe would pick him to be a wolf. That is it. ++Nilp He has had some good ideas. Worth keeping around. Voting for any of the three people I find suspicious won't get anywhere. So how about I use my vote on Wilwa. She is suspicious just not as much as the above three. And it would not be a waste of a vote. ++Wilwa
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Funny you think another wagon-starter / early-voter, namely Nilp, you think innocent enough to guard the coming Night...
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Suspects...
Hakon is either a misguided innocent or a newbie wolf. As to which, it's still a toss-up for me. For that reason I'm not all too eager to be joining this bandwagon against him. McCaber has been gathering some attention of late, and as I recall from Day 2, he did look a bit furry. When it came to sharing opinions on the whole Legate matter, he seemed very careful and retrained in his words like he didn't want to give too strong of an opinion one way or another. Sally's behaviour creeped me out a bit on Day 1 and Day 2. But that creepiness has sort of faded, and lately I have been feeling a bit better about her. I find Pitchwife's posts from the end of the Day a bit suspicious, but I'm still not sure about him. I still think wilwa's behaviour on Day 2 was quite suspicious and I find it strange that a lot of attention and suspicion on her has been dropped recently. That alone makes me nervous as I remember that is how the wolves won last game. Boromir keeps slipping under my radar and I can't figure out why that is.
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And yeah, there had to be at least one among them, considering only two of the living players didn't vote him. This is, again, logicless logic. Agree with his point about Nog though, although most of us were. Quote:
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Hakon is evil in my book. That be all.
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Deadline. Stop posting.
Shasta will be modfired in the Night.
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Day 4
Even though another villager had been lost in the night, the people of Upper Downsbury were still happy after killing their first wolf, as this meant that they would only have to suffer one kill per night.
The villagers tried to recall if Inziladun had done anything to implicate anyone else, but there was very little to go on. He had been a very careful wolf. Today it was decided that there would be a stoning. Many names were thrown about, but it soon became clear that Hakon would be the next to die at the hands of the village. Someone thought it would be a clever idea to drown Hakon in his own beer. "There will be plenty of time for such deeds. There are many more days ahead of us." said Eönwë. At this, Hakon looked horrified. "The village wanted a stoning, and they shall one." As Hakon was grabbed by Sally and Nienna and dragged towards the outskirts of the village, he shouted, "Kill Wilwarin instead! She's the evil one." "How do we know that?" said Nogrod. "Why should we trust you?" And so everyone ignored his protests. Nerwen cast the first stone. It missed Hakon, but acted as an invitation, and soon the rest of the village started picking up stones and throwing them at him. They started with smaller stones at first, but soon they got larger and heavier, and started doing more damage. Eventually, a lifeless Hakon fell to the floor, bruised all over. The villagers watched expectantly at his body, willing it to change, but nothing happened. They had once again killed a fellow innocent villager. Their spirits lowered, and a new wave of desperation appeared among the members of the village. And so, for the fifth night, the Night Guard took up their places, this time outside Nienna's house, for the night. Eönwë had really hoped that they would start catching more wolves, but seemed to him that though the wolves would only kill one of them each night, it would still be a struggle for mastership of the village. Living: A Little Green- the village butcher Boromir88- the village pig farmer Brinniel- the village witch McCaber- chief (only) miner, head of miners' guild Nerwen- a wandering minstrel Nessa Telrunya- the village seamstress Nienna- the village potter Nilpaurion Felagund- the village fool Nogrod- the retired bourgeois Pitchwife- the village mason satansaloser2005- The village librarian (Mistress of the books) Shastanis Althreduin- the village apothecary wilwarin538- the village barmaid The Dead Kitanna- the village hermit - Seer Mnemosyne- the village coquette - Innocent Legate of Amon Lanc- the village broker - Innocent Thinlómien- the village chief gardener - Innocent Inziladun- the village brewer - Wolf alonariel- the village blacksmith - Innocent (modfired) Hakon- the village innkeeper - Innocent
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Night 5
They had killed another on their side that day, and as the villagers walked home in silence, they were all afraid that they would be next.
Shasta had been part of the action of the first day, but after the pan that he had supported had not been approved by the village, he started getting anxious. And his fears were proven later that day, when their seer died. The next day he spoke a little, and eventually decided that he had had too much of their daily discussions and left. He also fell into despair, like Alona. He would not talk to anyone, and would only go out of his house at night. This night, he ran around the village wildly, shouting. "Run away! The wolves are coming! Run away!" By this time most of the village had assumed that he had gone mad, Shasta knew that he was right in fearing the Werewolves. But as he ran, his foot landed in the gap of a missing cobblestone, and he fell over, hitting he head. Everything went black. When Shasta woke up, he saw three dark figures leaning over him, their rank breath stinging his nostrils. He took out a small bottle from one of his inner pockets and downed the entire contents. "Haha." he chuckled. "Now you will not get the pleasure of killing me." He started laughing uncontrollably, then his face contorted into an expression of pain. He took a last, gasping breath, and was dead. -- The wolves walked on, with their bloodstained teeth glinting in the moonlight. "You know, they're really not doing their side a favour killing themselves like that," said one of the beasts. "Yeah, you're right, they're just doing our job for us." They reached the house of Nerwen. She was inside, asleep, but woke up as soon as they broke down the front door. She sat bolt upright in her bed, looking around. They entered her room. One wolf stepped forwards. "And now you shall taste death," said the wolf. "Stop!" said a second one. "I don't want to do this any more. It's getting boring." The other two wolves looked at the speaker, and Nerwen looked hopeful. "I mean, isn't there some other way? Each day we just kill and eat one of them, How about a new method?" Nerwen's sudden hope melted away as quickly as it had sprung up. "What would you suggest?" asked the third wolf. "I don't know," said the second wolf. "Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew? They're taking the hob-" The wolf paused as the other two looked at him or her (there was no way of telling, as they all resembled the Great Wolf) fiercely. "I'm sorry," the second wolf said. "I just got a little carried away there." "That's not actually a bad idea," said the first wolf. "Let's do it!" said the third wolf. -- It was morning, and the villagers gathered at the village square. But there was something there that had not been there yesterday. There was a large (extremely large, in fact) cauldron in the centre of the village square, with the words "NERWEN STEW" carved upon it. Most of villagers dared not look into it, but those that did jumped back with a yelp, and a sickened look in their eyes. When Eönwë came to address the village that morning, he saw the villagers crowding around something, talking loudly and some wailing, and went to see what all the fuss was about. He looked inside, and saw the remains of a few strips of wet cloth. That was all that remained of Nerwen. Even her bones had been feasted upon, it was assumed. The villagers looked all around the village for any other remains, but there were none, and so they concluded that their assumptions were correct. So the wolves have become more crafty, thought Eönwë. He addressed the villagers, the people of Upper Downsbury. "If we do not catch the wolves, this is what they will do to each and every one of us, and worse if they get the chance, until all but them are dead. We must look harder. We cannot afford to lose many more." And so the discussions began. Living: A Little Green- the village butcher Boromir88- the village pig farmer Brinniel- the village witch McCaber- chief (only) miner, head of miners' guild Nessa Telrunya- the village seamstress Nienna- the village potter Nilpaurion Felagund- the village fool Nogrod- the retired bourgeois Pitchwife- the village mason satansaloser2005- The village librarian (Mistress of the books) wilwarin538- the village barmaid The Dead Kitanna- the village hermit - Seer Mnemosyne- the village coquette - Innocent Legate of Amon Lanc- the village broker - Innocent Thinlómien- the village chief gardener - Innocent Inziladun- the village brewer - Wolf alonariel- the village blacksmith - Innocent (modfired) Hakon- the village innkeeper - Innocent Shastanis Althreduin- the village apothecary - Innocent (modfired) Nerwen- a wandering minstrel - Innocent Day 5 has begun. Post if ye dare.
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hmm, Hakon surprised me. I mean I know that he's still fairly new at this, but he was participating so much more then usual it seemed logical that he must of had people helping him out. Uh, that sucks. Nerwen too, I really trusted her (probably why she was chosen).
So school starts for me tomorrow and my first day is crazy because I work after school, so I'm definetely not going to be around anywhere near the DL. I'll be around for the next few hours on and off (even though there usually isn't alot of discussion then) and then maybe for like 20 minutes tomorrow morning, which is when I'll vote. So not much from me toDay. Just like if I'm still alive for Day 6 it will be similar. Day 7 will be awesome from me though, if you guys let me last that long.
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I wonder why Nerwen and not Nog or Nilp? Nerwen was trusted by some but recently it seemed as if more people trusted Nog and Nilp. Thoughts?
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