TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by autume98

Well after sealing the Seer's fate I didn't want to make another newbie mistake like that again. So I decided to see where an experienced player stood on the issue.

I also thought Inzil's vote suspicious. So I decided to do what I thought was best.

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you . This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.

Oh, but I better not suspect you too much otherwise Sally-wolf may find it 'suspicious' that somebody else has strong suspicions and the two of you would suspect me further for the simple reason of suspecting you.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you . This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.

I was just telling you why I did what I did. Not really sure what I did to make me your prime suspect.

Edit Xed with alona

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by autume98

I was just telling you why I did what I did. Not really sure what I did to make me your prime suspect.

First, I never said you were my prime suspect and second just because you 'explained' why you did what you did does not make you innocent.

I saw this but didn't comment last night

Originally Posted by Sally

Yeah, sorry about that. I get antsy when I'm not well and I was already a bit ticked about the accusation so I went a bit nuts. And I'm sure your pack is chuckling at me as we speak. Do tell them hello for me toNight, will you?

I found it interesting last night after I gave the line about Sally's pack mates wanting her to calm down she seemed to have done so. After this post she went on only to light conversation about the nicknames and then signed off. It strikes me as very strange that she would do this, almost as if she took the advice I proffered.

Rikae, your Nerwen remark is interesting. I think there is merit in it. I would like investigate this further though I fear there are some time constraints as this is my first day back to work after a week off.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by mormegil

First, I never said you were my prime suspect

I misunderstood what you were saying then.

[Rikae]

Alona, earlier you seem to have said that Lommy and/or Sally was not trying to save you, since their votes crossed with yours? That doesn't make sense - if their votes *hadn't* crossed with yours, the fact that yours saved yourself would speak in their favor, but since they crossed, it doesn't make any difference.
Lommy's explanation for the "grateful" comment sounds believable enough, although there is still something that makes me uneasy about her.
I think the trio of Sally/autume/Alona just has to contain at least one wolf - I have a feeling knowing one of their roles would help sort out the others.

EDIT: X'd with Morm. EDIT again: "her" not "he" for Lommy.

[Rikae]

What Nerwen remark, Morm?

[Rikae]

One other thing - I don't like Nessa's commentary, although I'm not sure if it's just because I disagree with her/don't like the style, or whether it's really suspicious. She seems detached, just here to make comments of questionable value. Day 1 she looked like she was encouraging people to vote randomly, and now she's saying she doesn't like how "divided" the village has become - it just seems fishy, as though she's saying "concentrate on a couple innocents, so I and my buddies don't have to worry" or something. Nothing wolves like better than a swiftly rolling bandwagon for an innocent (and they are free to stand aside and say "I told you so").
Considering that... why has there not been more analysis of yesterDay's voting, anyway? The Zilwagon needs a closer look.

[Rikae]

Wait just a minute here. Sally's running around toDay saying she said beforehand that she would break a tie, therefore her vote isn't questionable... but this was in her vote post:

Originally Posted by Sally

I don't find Alona that suspicious right now. Sorry for the re-tie.

....eh? That's right. She thought she was re-tying alona and Inzil. So why the talk of tie-breaking toDay?

[Rikae]

And Autume really gives me the impression of protecting Sally now. Something's not kosher.

And with that, I achieve the elusive quintuple post!

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Wait just a minute here. Sally's running around toDay saying she said beforehand that she would break a tie, therefore her vote isn't questionable... but this was in her vote post:



....eh? That's right. She thought she was re-tying alona and Inzil. So why the talk of tie-breaking toDay?

Interesting note Rikae. I agree that at least one of those 3 (Sally/autume/Alona) are wolves, if not 2 or 3 of them. They do seem to be of similar mind and pattern. They seem to want to help each other out. I am focusing more on them. It is noteworthy that you have slipped in the suspicion list this day.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

What Nerwen remark, Morm?

My mistake, I remember the remark but I thought it was you. It was Mac, my mistake.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Alona, earlier you seem to have said that Lommy and/or Sally was not trying to save you, since their votes crossed with yours? That doesn't make sense - if their votes *hadn't* crossed with yours, the fact that yours saved yourself would speak in their favor, but since they crossed, it doesn't make any difference.

I said that I had no idea they were going to save me. I didn't see that they retracted until after I'd posted.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by alonariel

I said that I had no idea they were going to save me. I didn't see that they retracted until after I'd posted.

What's your point, though? Actually, they didn't retract until after you'd posted, but that has nothing to do with anything. The important thing is, they thought they were saving you.

EDIT: X'd with Durie, Sally and Durie again.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

What's your point, though? Actually, they didn't retract until after you'd posted, but that has nothing to do with anything. The important thing is, they thought they were saving you.

EDIT: X'd with Durie, Sally and Durie again.

So why all the scrutiny on me for the last-minute retractions? It wouldn't have made a difference whether or not it was me or Dun (is that the nickname we decided on?) who was lynched, the village would still be down an ordo toDay.

[alonariel]

Just wanted to add - Art class let out early, which is why I'm on now. I should be shopping for supplies for Wednesday's class, but well, you know how addicting this game can be...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Alona

So why all the scrutiny on me for the last-minute retractions? It wouldn't have made a difference whether or not it was me or Dun (is that the nickname we decided on?) who was lynched, the village would still be down an ordo toDay.

On the contrary - it seems to have made a big difference to Sally and Lommy.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you . This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.

Near top does not mean prime.

Yet you seem jumpy so I am glad to know of it. My vote is going to Autume or Sally.

[Rikae]

Look what Rikae writes! It is young, it is tender, it is nice! Read it!

Suspicious

alonariel- For reasons given yesterDay (seems to be trying to win people over, inconsistent) plus people seem to be protecting her. Seems to be using newness as a bit of a shield.
autume- Not making a lot of sense (although could be newbieness to blame), going with the flow overmuch, odd interactions with Sally and Alona.
sally- Both unsubstantial and touchy, weak and misleading defense re: vote, seems to be protecting alona.

Hard to read:
Durelin- She's posted very few times, although they were longish posts. There doesn't seem to be anything our of the ordinary, but she is capable of doing that as a wolf, so no read.
Formendacil- He seems to be staying outside the hotter debates and not particularly commiting himself to anything. A bit cautious.
Lommy- Something about her makes me uneasy, although her vote-switching defense looks honest so I no longer suspect her as much for *that* reason, anyway.
Mira- Seems excited, very involved, although slippery. Could be first-time baddieism or simply an extra effort to play well.

Under radarish:

Nerwen- Nothing she said really stuck, somehow. Lots of joking.
Nessa- I feel like she's trying to stand outside of the discussion, while poking at people to stir up annoyance and debate. Doesn't seem to be really *playing* the game, somehow.
Nienna- Very low-key and noncontroversial, seems either overwhelmed by RL or hiding from the spotlight.
Shasta- Definitely cast in shadows, that's all I can say.

Leaning innocent:
Macalaure- I'm more confident of his innocence than anybody.
morm- Controversial, aggressive, but feels honest and mormlike.
Rikae- Well, actually I'm confident of my innocence, too.

Of course, even if all my "suspicious" people are evil, this means I'm unsure about or trusting at least two baddies. Better look more closely...
Also, way too many people are under the radar for this point in the game. That's one thing that I dont' like about Nessa's comment on division: if anything, there are too many people in this village who haven't come under any scrutiny. Everybody should feel some pressure at some point, just to see how they react. Even if we don't catch the wolves, the least we could do is make them earn the win, instead of coasting there in the shadows!

[Nienna]

Day One

47 - banter… will need to vote early because she may not be around

51, 59, 65, 68, 76, 79, 82, 85, 87, 89, 91, 93, 96, 108, 111, 114, 122 - banter

72 - thinks Hakon looks fishy… too eager

98 - explains to Phantom that baddies can leave clues as well

102 - agrees with Phantom but says that she thinks that if gifteds were going to leave clues they would do it anyway and if they weren’t then his advice probably falls on deaf ears

104 - feels that if the wolves want to fake reveal then there is nothing really that the gifteds can do about it, but they can try

106 - still talking about codes - thinks that if you leave a code and you die your code dies too but if you leave obscure enough hints someone might catch on

109 - A hunter’s logical picks can help the village if they know them

218 - Hints should be obscure, early deadline isn’t going to work, surveys were confidential, Hakon seems ‘undevious’, bear discussion: if given the option we should lynch the bear first, explains things to Hakon, we can’t control the bear, doesn’t like Day One, is most suspicious of Hakon, says that if she is a bear she would want to kill the wolves but says that since she is ordo that is of no consequence, Hakon should drop the bear thing before she votes for him, enjoys Morm’s vote and retraction and vote again for Hakon

219 - wants to talk about something un-bear related

223 - threatens to vote for anyone else to discuss the bear

253 - Phantom’s a nutjob

259 - thinks Phantom’s suggestion that people vote for Fea is weird

274 - refuses to discuss surveys, offers herself up for lynching if it will save a gifted, votes Hakon

281 - really doesn’t want to talk about surveys

300 - thinks Hakon is by far the most suspicious so retracts and locks in her vote for Hakon

458 - trusts Phantom in RL so that may bleed into game but she is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, has no feelings about the newbies, Rikae scares her, thinks Pitchwife’s vote for her screams wolf

464 - Pitchwife is bothering her but she can’t change her vote so she is just letting everyone else know

469 - thinks Pitchwife is more concerned with the way votes make him look than the actual vote count


Day Two

544 - thinks that Pitchwife’s vote for her Day One might have been a hint because she was offering herself up if it was to save a gifted

547 - clarifies for Zil that she locked in her vote for Hakon because she was pretty sure he was the most suspicious at the time

551 - wonders why the bear picked Hakon and wishes people to discuss it while she is sleeping

628 - explains that she locked in her vote because she didn’t think she was going to be back for deadline and didn’t want people wondering if she was going to retract, list with Morm being the only one suspicious, votes Morm because he was saying that it was stupid to vote for Hakon and yet he voted for Hakon as well.

651 - agrees with Mac and is willing to look at Zil again

668 - offers herself up on the lynching pile

673 - won’t die just to satisfy Phantoms bloodlust but will if it saves a gifted

699 - rather not have a tie

703 - Phantom song: It seems she is suspicious of Rikae, Autume, and Shasta?... though I’m not sure… and now that I look ahead this might just have been for the song to make sense

711 - thinks Morm and Zil are suspicious and that Zil is just screaming at to be voted

716 - asks Phantom what he thinks of Morm and Zil

721 - wants Phantom to be innocent

724 - thinks she is going to have to take a look at Shasta at some point but won’t be voting for him

764 - retracts for Morm and changes to Zil who she thinks is more suspicious than Alona


Day Three

775 - is going to pull up Brinns posts

785 - explains that she wanted to break the tie that is why she changed to Zil

791 - wonders if Rikae seems a bit eager to suspect her

794 - still suspects Morm

797 - allows Rikae to suspect her as long as it is done for good reason

802 - suspects Morm because he is grasping at straws and for looking for guilt where there is none

806 - defends herself, is going to analyze Alona as well because she is looking suspicious

809 - calls Morm a wolf

837 - Nerwen looks shiny to her (which I assume means innocent)


It is really nice being able to see all a person posted and go through it step by step. To me Sally is not looking particularly wolfish. Her constant offering herself up for lynching is sort of weird but that might just be her being a nice ordo… it could also be her trying to seem like a nice ordo. Her changing her vote to get rid of the tie seems fine to me. She did state many times before she changed that both Morm and Zil looked suspicious so breaking a tie in favor of someone she finds suspicious seems fine.

What does worry me just a little is how she begins suspect people just based on others suspicions not necessarily anything that said person did to deserve these suspicions. If that doesn’t make sense I can clarify. For me Sally is probably about ¾ of the way up on my suspicion list. I’d like to hear what others think of her as well.

[Rikae]

Nienna, although Sally said she'd vote to break a tie, she actually was creating a tie with her final vote (or rather, thought she was, and says so in the vote post). Now she uses tie-breaking as an excuse anyway.