TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Rikae]

autume, yes, Sally broke the tie - but she didn't know that's what she was doing at the time, as her vote post clearly shows! She can't use that as an excuse now.
Furthermore, it's irrelevant how alona's retraction reflects on Sally's and Lommy's, since they all crossed with each other.

Sally, making an "announcement" at this time, if I understand you properly, would be needless and, therefore, exceedingly suspicious.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

autume, yes, Sally broke the tie - but she didn't know that's what she was doing at the time, as her vote post clearly shows! She can't use that as an excuse now.
Furthermore, it's irrelevant how alona's retraction reflects on Sally's and Lommy's, since they all crossed with each other.

Sally, making an "announcement" at this time, if I understand you properly, would be needless and, therefore, exceedingly suspicious.

*rolls eyes*

That wasn't even close to what I meant, but thanks for that.


Finishing my Brinn analysis now, if I may.


EDIT: x'd with Alona and Durie. And I'll admit to editing my post for the re-tie. I'll explain in a minute.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*rolls eyes*

That wasn't even close to what I meant, but thanks for that.

Well, that's good. If it's true.

Originally Posted by Sally

EDIT: x'd with Alona and Durie. And I'll admit to editing my post for the re-tie. I'll explain in a minute.

In that case, I'm tempted to vote for you just for that. As a matter of fact, that added to all your assorted wolvishnesses =

++Sally

[Durelin]

Nienna and Mira - both 'analyze' (=summarize, but that's what nearly everyone does) and come to very forced conclusions.

Nessa - No substances whatsoever. Nor anything amusing. If you're the cobbler you should be louder and less worried about lynching a wolf.

Sally - Bad reactions, weird vote (seems to mean one of two things right now), post #544 when talking about Pitchwife's vote for her...

alona and autume - Jumpy, defensive, while agreeable, and highlighting new-ness. Let's see some backbone! They're probably lowest on my list if only maybe because I have no background with them.

Lommy - Feels calm but sneaky, and I haven't agreed with anything she's said as I recall, which is odd to me. Hmm have I ever seen a Lommy-cobbler?

Nerwen - Not sure. Feels innocent, but...

Form - Feels innocent.

Rikae and Morm - I've been agreeing with them quite a bit, and am starting to feel uneasy about it.

Mac and Shasta - Who?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Sally

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

This just seems too desparate, whether or not it's the truth. No offense.

Not what I was pointing out, as no one could know that's what you did/meant to do.

[Durelin]

Sally's talking about my post #864.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Durelin

This just seems too desparate, whether or not it's the truth. No offense.

Not what I was pointing out, as no one could know that's what you did/meant to do.

Fair enough. See the end of my last post.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Alona

Here we go again. Sorry if it makes me seem over eager or eager to please. I really think it's just turning out to be my style of play...but if it bothers you that much (like Nerwen's backwards writing or something), then I'll lay off the smlieys.

No, it doesn't bother me like Nerwen's backwards writing because it's not annoying, it's just suspicious. There's a huge difference. So either you just misunderstood me, or are really jumpy/eager to please. Just keep using smileys as you will, I have no intention of becoming any kind of smiley-dictator, that would be rather hypocritical of someone who very often has to remove smileys from her posts in order to have the acceptable amount there...

Originally Posted by Rikae

I think the trio of Sally/autume/Alona just has to contain at least one wolf - I have a feeling knowing one of their roles would help sort out the others.

That seems plausible enough since they all seem curiously jumpy, especially the a-ladies. This is an interesting comment from Rikae though - if even one of the trio turns out to be guilty, I'll be more positive of Rikae's innocence. If they all turn out innocent, I'm ready to lynch Rikae.

I'm looking forward to seeing Sally's explanation and Durelin's reasons for her impressively long lynch-list.

edit: xed with Alona and everything after her

[Thinlómien]

The recent discussion seems WEIRD. I think Sally is honest about what she did and what she didn't, but she's probably a wolf. In that case, Rikae is probably not a wolf, unless she's a backstabbing meanie.

As for Sally's speculation - I can honestly see morm as a bear and doing that. But I'm still more inclined to consider Form a bear.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The recent discussion seems WEIRD. I think Sally is honest about what she did and what she didn't, but she's probably a wolf. In that case, Rikae is probably not a wolf, unless she's a backstabbing meanie.

As for Sally's speculation - I can honestly see morm as a bear and doing that. But I'm still more inclined to consider Form a bear.

Really?! (To Form, not the rest.) Form's completely flown under for me. Still, I think Morm's possibly some kind of baddie. Telling you now, I plan to vote for him unless something better comes along.

I shall now analyze Shasta, if only to keep me awake.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

This is an interesting comment from Rikae though - if even one of the trio turns out to be guilty, I'll be more positive of Rikae's innocence. If they all turn out innocent, I'm ready to lynch Rikae.

Now, I don't think there was anything that unusual about my alona/autume/Sally statement, but this from Lommy looks downright eerie. Like a wolf who is setting up a future vote, or something. If they all turn out innocent, everybody look at Lommy!

And Sally, the thing about Durelin's vote not being bolded - that only would matter if you thought of it at the time, and if so, you wouldn't have to go back searching for something, would you? You'd remember thinking "Durelin's vote doesn't count, there's still a tie" or some such thing. Unless you didn't see Durelin's vote at all, but somehow the way you're arguing just doesn't seem like it... I mean, if it was a simple oversight and you were innocent, why all the convoluted explanations, each new twist only being revealed upon further questioning? I think an innocent would be more likely to say "I thought the vote was tied" and then explain the editing flub, in an open and honest manner, than to do things the way you have. I'm considering retracting my vote, but I'm far from convinced.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Now, I don't think there was anything that unusual about my alona/autume/Sally statement, but this from Lommy looks downright eerie. Like a wolf who is setting up a future vote, or something. If they all turn out innocent, everybody look at Lommy!

And Sally, the thing about Durelin's vote not being bolded - that only would matter if you thought of it at the time, and if so, you wouldn't have to go back searching for something, would you? You'd remember thinking "Durelin's vote doesn't count, there's still a tie" or some such thing. Unless you didn't see Durelin's vote at all, but somehow the way you're arguing just doesn't seem like it... I mean, if it was a simple oversight and you were innocent, why all the convoluted explanations, each new twist only being revealed upon further questioning? I think an innocent would be more likely to say "I thought the vote was tied" and then explain the editing flub, in an open and honest manner, than to do things the way you have. I'm considering retracting my vote, but I'm far from convinced.

*whimpers, headdesks repeatedly*

Okay. Not to be rude, but how simple can I make this? YesterDay when I voted, I thought Morm and Dun were tied. I voted to break it, then noticed Alona's retraction. I'd seen Durie's vote, but not done the math (and then realized when someone pointed it out that it wasn't highlighted. If I remember correctly she highlighted after DL because when I checked the vote count -after I'd already voted at DL- it wasn't highlighted, but I didn't realize until after I voted that she wasn't highlighted, so yes I thought it counted at the time but I didn't do the math and once I'd voted I could have pretended otherwise but didn't so why accuse me of dishonesty?) so to me I was breaking the tie, not retying. After I realized my mistake I tried to correct it in an honest matter and have since been accused of lying about it.

I'm analyzing Shasta. Do with me whatever you like; I couldn't care less. I did everything in the right order, just made a simple error, and I've since tried to correct that error in the best way possible.

*whimpers again*

Back soon. If I disappear it's because I fell asleep, so potential apologies in advance.

[Boromir88]

Whatever game I'm in next...I want the occupation of Smiley-dictator...that'd be sweet.

[autume98]

I really feel like alona and sally are innocent. alona's retraction makes sense. She thought she had to save herself. I think sally made a mistake. I can see why you might suspect her, but she's not acting like wolf-sally.

I haven't had time to analyze morm yet. However with what sally said earlier I suspect him even more.

Even with rikae throwing out theories about people I think innocent, she still seems innocent to me.

Edit: x-ed with boro to this post

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*whimpers, headdesks repeatedly*

Okay. Not to be rude, but how simple can I make this?

Saying "not to be rude" and then calling me an idiot doesn't make it any less rude. Besides, I didn't complain that it wasn't simple because I was too stupid to understand, but because I thought the way you described it looked guilty, as if you were reluctant to tell us anything. At this point, it is way too late to undo that - the mistake is made.

Originally Posted by Sally

YesterDay when I voted, I thought Morm and Dun were tied. I voted to break it, then noticed Alona's retraction. I'd seen Durie's vote, but not done the math (and then realized when someone pointed it out that it wasn't highlighted. If I remember correctly she highlighted after DL because when I checked the vote count -after I'd already voted at DL- it wasn't highlighted, but I didn't realize until after I voted that she wasn't highlighted, so yes I thought it counted at the time but I didn't do the math and once I'd voted I could have pretended otherwise but didn't so why accuse me of dishonesty?) so to me I was breaking the tie, not retying. After I realized my mistake I tried to correct it in an honest matter and have since been accused of lying about it.

So it all boils down to you "not doing the math correctly" after seeing Durelin's vote - after you complained repeatedly about the tie that Durie's vote broke? You admit that you didn't realize it wasn't highlighted until someone (I believe it was Mac) pointed it out, which happened after your vote. So yeah, I don't buy it. Nice try, but sorry, your story just doesn't add up, and every time you're caught you change it - it's all way too evil looking to just let it go.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by me

EDIT: x'd with Alona and Durie. And I'll admit to editing my post for the re-tie. I'll explain in a minute.

K, finished (more or less) with my Brinn analysis, and it should be up shortly.

As promised....

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

Brinn analysis up shortly. Then....I think I'll give our resident psychic (Shasta) a lookthrough before I make my announcement/thing.


EDIT: x'd with Alona twice. Oh, and I guess Rikae's voted for me. Heh, didn't catch that. Go me.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

K, finished (more or less) with my Brinn analysis, and it should be up shortly.

As promised....

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

Brinn analysis up shortly. Then....I think I'll give our resident psychic (Shasta) a lookthrough before I make my announcement/thing.


EDIT: x'd with Alona twice. Oh, and I guess Rikae's voted for me. Heh, didn't catch that. Go me.

In that case:

1) where is the post in which Durie pointed it out to you? I only see her talking about her own un-bolded vote.

2) why did you use doing what you said you were going to do, ie, tiebreaking, as a vote explaination toDay without explaining all this?

3) ...gotta check something...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

In that case:

1) where is the post in which Durie pointed it out to you? I only see her talking about her own un-bolded vote.

2) why did you use doing what you said you were going to do, ie, tiebreaking, as a vote explaination toDay without explaining all this?

3) ...gotta check something...

1: Erm, maybe it wasn't Durie. *checks* Yup, it was. Post number....*checks again* 864, I believe.

2: Because I didn't realize I'd done it until....erm, post 864.

3: Okie dokie. Enjoy.


And really, if I did something that dumb I rather deserve to be lynched. (Not looking for sympathy, I really do feel stupid.) The problem is that if you lynch me you're lynching another ordo, so just take that into consideration.

Oh, I've not posted my analysis. Crap! *hangs head in shame* Thought I had.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

1: Erm, maybe it wasn't Durie. *checks* Yup, it was. Post number....*checks again* 864, I believe.

But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.

Originally Posted by Sally

2: Because I didn't realize I'd done it until....erm, post 864.

You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.


You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.

No, I didn't realize I'd edited my post incorrectly. Big diffference.

[Rikae]

yes, I was right.

3) Sally, if you only crossed with Alona, and not with Durie, you were re-tying the votes as far as you knew at the time you posted. Durie put Alona at 4, while Inzil and Morm were at 3. You then (as far as you knew) tied Inzil with Alona.
Usually detailed explanations of errors and misunderstandings look innocentish (and you know that, Sally), but this just looks like a tangled web of lies that keeps getting worse and worse.

EDIT: far as you knew, not know. Also X'd with Sally, Sally, Durie, Durie.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

yes, I was right.

3) Sally, if you only crossed with Alona, and not with Durie, you were re-tying the votes as far as you knew at the time you posted. Durie put Alona at 4, while Inzil and Morm were at 3. You then (as far as you knew) tied Inzil with Alona.
Usually detailed explanations of errors and misunderstandings look innocentish (and you know that, Sally), but this just looks like a tangled web of lies that keeps getting worse and worse.

EDIT: far as you knew, not know. Also X'd with Sally, Sally, Durie, Durie.

*does the maths on this, because is confusing to me presently*

Nope. Well, yep. Well....wait, I'm confused. What?

*rereads, still giving you the play-by-play*

I didn't cross with Durie (that I'm aware of anyway) but I didn't realize Alona had that many votes. (Again, you can't take my word for it but there's no reason to lie about it.) And as far as I knew I was un-tying Morm and Dun.


By the way, while we're discussing me the real baddies are cackling and getting away with (literally) murder. If you want to vote me, vote me, but then discuss someone else so you actually catch the baddies.

EDIT: And, erm, yeah. Announcement has been cancelled. Rikae, for the record, I was going to say that I was quite ill and was going to sit out the rest of the Day, but considering A: what happened the last couple Days when someone had to leave and B: me disappearing would probably make me even more suspicious for some reason, I'll stay around. Expect typos and a bit of crank, but I'll be here.

[satansaloser2005]

So Shasta's not said a lot either, which is why I decided to do him next. There's not a lot to go on but some people suspect him and I want to see why (because they may be right for all I know, and I've just not noticed). Here goes.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

*has been here, in the shadows, the whole time, no really*

Also, lay off Nerwen. She said it was only a day one thing in the admin thread, stop complaining, thank you.

Also, it wouldn't be a werewolf game if I didn't jump on Phantom for something. Phantom, say something extremely arrogant and pigheaded so I can vote for you, 'kay?

So just silly stuff, mostly. Defends Nerwen's silliness and then says he needs to vote Phantom because it's tradition.

Originally Posted by Shasta, re: Phantom's ideas about gifteds leaving clues

*coughBorocoughcougheveryonewhobelievedhimcoughcoughwheezeco ugh*



Appropriately ironic for a theatre major, no?

Just bringing up stuff from a past game and then making jokes. Nothing to trace there either.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Also,

"Um, I'm like, the Ranger. No, I haven't left clues. Just believe me. Believe me because I'm Boromir88, dangit!"

Fixed that for you, Candor Man.

Edit: Fixed italics.

Directly follows his last post. Still talking about the previous game so I don't know. (Although if he's the ranger and this is his idea of a hint I'll slap him lol.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Alright, I'm here. I have six pages to read, but I want to get my vote in right now because I have no idea when the deadline is.

++Pitchwife

Reason - his first post.



Translation - "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx."

Votes Pitchie because of his first post, which seems to have started the entire case against Pitch. I didn't find it that suspicious (I suspected Pitch later, myself) but I also know Shasta seems busy so maybe he just didn't have time to either come up with a better vote or to explain it more.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Oh, um, er... you were following last game, were you?

Phantom, did you completely miss the part where I said "I have six pages to read"?

Anyway, I think I'm all caught up now, though I probably did skim a bit due to wanting to get caught up.

Again, not a lot. Erm, be he leaving a trail at all?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Ah, see, I did skim a bit, missed this -

My heroine!

He just quoted Durelin talking about *checks* oh rubbish, I don't know exactly what she was talking about. *looks up* Ah. Okay, Durie had said she didn't like the idea of lynching Fea (although I'm not sure if Shasta liked her principle or the fact that she was rather dissing Phanom. Either way). But still, that doesn't give us loads to go on.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

He has a point about getting rid of people just because they can't participate, but other than that....now I really see what people mean. (I say people because I can't remember who said it. Unless it was just the voices in my head) It seems he did start the main suspicion against Pitch, and while he had no way of knowing Pitch was the seer (unless he saw something I didn't) I still think it's a bit off. However, his point about Pitch's switch to me is valid, and I've already spoken on it so I shan't repeat it here.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Rikae - Rikae (Rikae1)
Form - Mira (Rikae1, Mira1)
Morm - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon1)
Alona - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon2)
Sally - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3)
Brinn - Morm (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3, Morm1)
Autume - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Rikae - --Rikae (Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Form - --Mira (Hakon4, Morm1)
Shasta - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1)
Mac - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1)
Durelin - Nessa (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1)
Pitchwife - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1)
Zil - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1, Rikae1)
Pitchwife - --Alona, ++Sally (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Rikae - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Nessa - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae2, Sally1)

To vote: Fea, Form, Hakon, Lari, Lommy, Mac, Mira, Nerwen, Nienna, Phantom.

Noteworthy: Pitchwife seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?

Edit: X'ed with Alona and Nessa, and added Nessa's vote.

Edit2: Removed Nessa from "To vote:" list.

Interesting point, again, about the vote switch. Maybe....maybe he dreamed Hakon for whatever reason and knew he wasn't evil?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Form, you've never liked me in any games you've played with me, I get that, but I've never seen you blatantly lie about me before. I haven't suspected Rikae at all, and I'd like to know just where you got that particular assumption.

Bit harsh. But he's right; he didn't say a thing about Rikae. Has this been cleared up? Because if not, I'm going to take another look at Form.

Originally Posted by Shasta, re: Morm saying Pitch dreamt Phantom

Definitely not wanted. What does an innocent morm gain from saying this? Hint - it's "nothing".

Again, he's got a point. (See below post commentary, by the way) Now I'm not saying that he's innocent, but I like some of the points he's making. (Okay, so the like two points he's made I'm okay with. I'm not saying he's prolific either. Just that the few things he's said of consequence aren't complete rubbish.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

You're right, it was Mira. Sorry morm.

Also, one too many e's, newreN.

Above commentary applies. Doesn't matter who it was, it's still a bit suspicious.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Nogrod isn't playing.

More to come later, but I'm putting in a vote right now, because I'm, um, training my shadow-powers all day (read: reasons in admin thread) and won't be here most of the day!

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

Heh. Glad he's not; the thread's been busy enough.

I don't think Mira would make the same sort of mistake, but anything's possible.


So really, there's not a lot here either. He suspects (or at least did yesterDay) Mira and thinks Form's shifty as well. He also hasn't left any sort of trace regarding other people; it's almost like he's trying to avoid commenting on the big issues that have been discussed in the game. It might be because he's busy, so I don't really want to lynch him toDay, but I'll be keeping an eye on him.