TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by me

EDIT: x'd with Alona and Durie. And I'll admit to editing my post for the re-tie. I'll explain in a minute.

K, finished (more or less) with my Brinn analysis, and it should be up shortly.

As promised....

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

Brinn analysis up shortly. Then....I think I'll give our resident psychic (Shasta) a lookthrough before I make my announcement/thing.


EDIT: x'd with Alona twice. Oh, and I guess Rikae's voted for me. Heh, didn't catch that. Go me.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

K, finished (more or less) with my Brinn analysis, and it should be up shortly.

As promised....

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

Brinn analysis up shortly. Then....I think I'll give our resident psychic (Shasta) a lookthrough before I make my announcement/thing.


EDIT: x'd with Alona twice. Oh, and I guess Rikae's voted for me. Heh, didn't catch that. Go me.

In that case:

1) where is the post in which Durie pointed it out to you? I only see her talking about her own un-bolded vote.

2) why did you use doing what you said you were going to do, ie, tiebreaking, as a vote explaination toDay without explaining all this?

3) ...gotta check something...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

In that case:

1) where is the post in which Durie pointed it out to you? I only see her talking about her own un-bolded vote.

2) why did you use doing what you said you were going to do, ie, tiebreaking, as a vote explaination toDay without explaining all this?

3) ...gotta check something...

1: Erm, maybe it wasn't Durie. *checks* Yup, it was. Post number....*checks again* 864, I believe.

2: Because I didn't realize I'd done it until....erm, post 864.

3: Okie dokie. Enjoy.


And really, if I did something that dumb I rather deserve to be lynched. (Not looking for sympathy, I really do feel stupid.) The problem is that if you lynch me you're lynching another ordo, so just take that into consideration.

Oh, I've not posted my analysis. Crap! *hangs head in shame* Thought I had.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

1: Erm, maybe it wasn't Durie. *checks* Yup, it was. Post number....*checks again* 864, I believe.

But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.

Originally Posted by Sally

2: Because I didn't realize I'd done it until....erm, post 864.

You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.


You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.

No, I didn't realize I'd edited my post incorrectly. Big diffference.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and add to your argument that Durie's vote wasn't even highlighted at the time (gasp, I went back and read the thread!) so it wouldn't have counted.


EDIT: The bit in the parentheses is to designate that I went back and checked to make sure my recollection (well, slight lack thereof, but still) was correct, not a rude attempt to imply that Rikae didn't. Just saying.

[Rikae]

yes, I was right.

3) Sally, if you only crossed with Alona, and not with Durie, you were re-tying the votes as far as you knew at the time you posted. Durie put Alona at 4, while Inzil and Morm were at 3. You then (as far as you knew) tied Inzil with Alona.
Usually detailed explanations of errors and misunderstandings look innocentish (and you know that, Sally), but this just looks like a tangled web of lies that keeps getting worse and worse.

EDIT: far as you knew, not know. Also X'd with Sally, Sally, Durie, Durie.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

yes, I was right.

3) Sally, if you only crossed with Alona, and not with Durie, you were re-tying the votes as far as you knew at the time you posted. Durie put Alona at 4, while Inzil and Morm were at 3. You then (as far as you knew) tied Inzil with Alona.
Usually detailed explanations of errors and misunderstandings look innocentish (and you know that, Sally), but this just looks like a tangled web of lies that keeps getting worse and worse.

EDIT: far as you knew, not know. Also X'd with Sally, Sally, Durie, Durie.

*does the maths on this, because is confusing to me presently*

Nope. Well, yep. Well....wait, I'm confused. What?

*rereads, still giving you the play-by-play*

I didn't cross with Durie (that I'm aware of anyway) but I didn't realize Alona had that many votes. (Again, you can't take my word for it but there's no reason to lie about it.) And as far as I knew I was un-tying Morm and Dun.


By the way, while we're discussing me the real baddies are cackling and getting away with (literally) murder. If you want to vote me, vote me, but then discuss someone else so you actually catch the baddies.

EDIT: And, erm, yeah. Announcement has been cancelled. Rikae, for the record, I was going to say that I was quite ill and was going to sit out the rest of the Day, but considering A: what happened the last couple Days when someone had to leave and B: me disappearing would probably make me even more suspicious for some reason, I'll stay around. Expect typos and a bit of crank, but I'll be here.

[satansaloser2005]

So Shasta's not said a lot either, which is why I decided to do him next. There's not a lot to go on but some people suspect him and I want to see why (because they may be right for all I know, and I've just not noticed). Here goes.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

*has been here, in the shadows, the whole time, no really*

Also, lay off Nerwen. She said it was only a day one thing in the admin thread, stop complaining, thank you.

Also, it wouldn't be a werewolf game if I didn't jump on Phantom for something. Phantom, say something extremely arrogant and pigheaded so I can vote for you, 'kay?

So just silly stuff, mostly. Defends Nerwen's silliness and then says he needs to vote Phantom because it's tradition.

Originally Posted by Shasta, re: Phantom's ideas about gifteds leaving clues

*coughBorocoughcougheveryonewhobelievedhimcoughcoughwheezeco ugh*



Appropriately ironic for a theatre major, no?

Just bringing up stuff from a past game and then making jokes. Nothing to trace there either.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Also,

"Um, I'm like, the Ranger. No, I haven't left clues. Just believe me. Believe me because I'm Boromir88, dangit!"

Fixed that for you, Candor Man.

Edit: Fixed italics.

Directly follows his last post. Still talking about the previous game so I don't know. (Although if he's the ranger and this is his idea of a hint I'll slap him lol.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Alright, I'm here. I have six pages to read, but I want to get my vote in right now because I have no idea when the deadline is.

++Pitchwife

Reason - his first post.



Translation - "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx."

Votes Pitchie because of his first post, which seems to have started the entire case against Pitch. I didn't find it that suspicious (I suspected Pitch later, myself) but I also know Shasta seems busy so maybe he just didn't have time to either come up with a better vote or to explain it more.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Oh, um, er... you were following last game, were you?

Phantom, did you completely miss the part where I said "I have six pages to read"?

Anyway, I think I'm all caught up now, though I probably did skim a bit due to wanting to get caught up.

Again, not a lot. Erm, be he leaving a trail at all?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Ah, see, I did skim a bit, missed this -

My heroine!

He just quoted Durelin talking about *checks* oh rubbish, I don't know exactly what she was talking about. *looks up* Ah. Okay, Durie had said she didn't like the idea of lynching Fea (although I'm not sure if Shasta liked her principle or the fact that she was rather dissing Phanom. Either way). But still, that doesn't give us loads to go on.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

He has a point about getting rid of people just because they can't participate, but other than that....now I really see what people mean. (I say people because I can't remember who said it. Unless it was just the voices in my head) It seems he did start the main suspicion against Pitch, and while he had no way of knowing Pitch was the seer (unless he saw something I didn't) I still think it's a bit off. However, his point about Pitch's switch to me is valid, and I've already spoken on it so I shan't repeat it here.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Rikae - Rikae (Rikae1)
Form - Mira (Rikae1, Mira1)
Morm - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon1)
Alona - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon2)
Sally - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3)
Brinn - Morm (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3, Morm1)
Autume - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Rikae - --Rikae (Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Form - --Mira (Hakon4, Morm1)
Shasta - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1)
Mac - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1)
Durelin - Nessa (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1)
Pitchwife - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1)
Zil - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1, Rikae1)
Pitchwife - --Alona, ++Sally (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Rikae - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Nessa - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae2, Sally1)

To vote: Fea, Form, Hakon, Lari, Lommy, Mac, Mira, Nerwen, Nienna, Phantom.

Noteworthy: Pitchwife seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?

Edit: X'ed with Alona and Nessa, and added Nessa's vote.

Edit2: Removed Nessa from "To vote:" list.

Interesting point, again, about the vote switch. Maybe....maybe he dreamed Hakon for whatever reason and knew he wasn't evil?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Form, you've never liked me in any games you've played with me, I get that, but I've never seen you blatantly lie about me before. I haven't suspected Rikae at all, and I'd like to know just where you got that particular assumption.

Bit harsh. But he's right; he didn't say a thing about Rikae. Has this been cleared up? Because if not, I'm going to take another look at Form.

Originally Posted by Shasta, re: Morm saying Pitch dreamt Phantom

Definitely not wanted. What does an innocent morm gain from saying this? Hint - it's "nothing".

Again, he's got a point. (See below post commentary, by the way) Now I'm not saying that he's innocent, but I like some of the points he's making. (Okay, so the like two points he's made I'm okay with. I'm not saying he's prolific either. Just that the few things he's said of consequence aren't complete rubbish.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

You're right, it was Mira. Sorry morm.

Also, one too many e's, newreN.

Above commentary applies. Doesn't matter who it was, it's still a bit suspicious.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Nogrod isn't playing.

More to come later, but I'm putting in a vote right now, because I'm, um, training my shadow-powers all day (read: reasons in admin thread) and won't be here most of the day!

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

Heh. Glad he's not; the thread's been busy enough.

I don't think Mira would make the same sort of mistake, but anything's possible.


So really, there's not a lot here either. He suspects (or at least did yesterDay) Mira and thinks Form's shifty as well. He also hasn't left any sort of trace regarding other people; it's almost like he's trying to avoid commenting on the big issues that have been discussed in the game. It might be because he's busy, so I don't really want to lynch him toDay, but I'll be keeping an eye on him.