TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

Not what I specifically say but what all of us decide. Really once the bear was found out he or she would either be lynched soon after or killed by the wolves.

Yes, xe would ... so why do you think we could have the bear kill someone we choose? Please enlighten me.

If we find the bear, we lynch xem.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 09:26 AM

And I think all this bear talk is a sidetrack with the whiff of wolvery or cobblery about it.

Good bear strategy changes with the circumstances. Talking about it on Day one is nothing but a massive waste of time.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 09:29 AM

Phantom hopes, but I highly doubt it'll work. However, giving advice to a hidden bear who thinks xe has a chance to win, and attempting to give orders to a known bear who has nothing to lose are two completely different things. The first is a long shot, the second is completely ridiculous.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 09:26 AM

Because we can use the bear to kill a possible wolf or cobbler. Morm I am hoping you retract that vote. I am very arrogant it is just starting to show since I have started speaking to the Phantom.

Crossed with Rikae's 177.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

Because we can use the bear to kill a possible wolf or cobbler. Morm I am hoping you retract that vote. I am very arrogant it is just starting to show since I have started speaking to the Phantom.

Crossed with Rikae's 177.

Um, yes... I'll speak very slowly here so I can be sure you understand...

To the pain means... Oh, wait, that's not it.

Why exactly do you think we can control the bear if we know xyr role?

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 09:32 AM

I swear, if this persists, I'll vote Hakon out of sheer irritation.

Macalaure · 08-13-2009, 09:38 AM

I'm sure the wolves are very amused by this bear-discussion.

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Originally Posted by Hakon

So if we figure it out then during the night phase...

If we figure it out, then the bear should have no more night phases.

That's a big if, btw. Most likely, if the bear will be lynched, it will be out of general suspiciousness rather than a concrete one.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Um, yes... I'll speak very slowly here so I can be sure you understand...

To the pain means... Oh, wait, that's not it.

Why exactly do you think we can control the bear if we know xyr role?

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

Crossed with Rikae's 181.

Nerwen · 08-13-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

...your point being...?

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

...your point being...?

Since the bear will be dead either way we might as well try and ask the bear to kill someone for us. It is a long shot but I think it is worth a try and the key thing to remember here is that it only works if we figure who the bear is and since that is not a priority right now this plan will probably never happen.

Nerwen · 08-13-2009, 09:37 AM

Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you?

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you?

Yes I know that. I am pointing out that the bear can be used to our(the villagers) advantage.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

Yes, the bear can kill a cobbler or wolf - or an innocent. The bear is as good as dead in that case anyway, and will kill whomever xe wants. Letting xem have another night kill would be absurd.

Please don't make me explain this again. This is not why I play werewolf.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Yes, the bear can kill a cobbler or wolf - or an innocent. The bear is as good as dead in that case anyway, and will kill whomever xe wants. Letting xem have another night kill would be absurd.

Please don't make me explain this again. This is not why I play werewolf.

I don't need you to explain that again. I understand what you are saying. I am just pointing stuff out. Since this seems to be causing an unnecessary argument and the bear is not a priority let us move on to talk about the priority which is the wolves. Mac, I agree with you about the wolves being very amused.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

I don't need you to explain that again. I understand what you are saying. I am just pointing stuff out. Since this seems to be causing an unnecessary argument and the bear is not a priority let us move on to talk about the priority which is the wolves. Mac, I agree with you about the wolves being very amused.

Oh lovely. So now you're going to try and turn it around and claim someone else was sidetracking the conversation? I also note you didn't admit you were wrong.

I'm not going to waste a vote on you unless I don't see anyone more suspicious, but I'm going to have to stop responding to you, for the sake of my blood pressure.

mormegil · 08-13-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

Morm I am hoping you retract that vote.

Okay fine

--Hakon

++Hakon

the phantom · 08-13-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

I'll tell you what we told him: werebears are out for themselves and have no reason to help the village. If we find the werebear, he can't win. Village and werebear cannot win together.

Yes they can. They can at least band together against the common enemy. Not to mention that I'd rather the Bear win than the villains, for the Dark Monarch is supposed to be the big baddie here. Plus the Cobbler is on the villain's side too. They are the primary threat. If the Bear wins, I'll be somewhat happy because at least I managed to eliminate four baddies along the way.

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Originally Posted by Hakon

Since the bear will be dead either way we might as well try and ask the bear to kill someone for us. It is a long shot but I think it is worth a try and the key thing to remember here is that it only works if we figure who the bear is and since that is not a priority right now this plan will probably never happen.

I agree that we might as well try. Since the Bear is out for himself, if he sees his doom approaching, it is completely within his rights and power to help us out with his last kill. After all, Dark Monarch screwed him up with her attempted gift giving, so perhaps his grudge against her is greater than his dislike for us.

The odds of such a situation arising are very tiny, but just in case, why not reach out to him? It's not like it hurts anything.

As far as Hakon's talk about discussing our surveys, I don't see anything wrong with it. Frankly, I believe Boro intended us to discuss it, and possibly gain suspicions from it (and of course lie about our results). I agree that it would be in poor taste to actually quote any PM sent to or received from the Mods, but I see nothing wrong with stating "I said I couldn't read so-and-so", because really we have no idea how the information was used. If I recall, it seems to me that Boro almost dared us to guess how he was using the info.

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Originally Posted by Boro

P.S. if I had a choice between licking a cactus or hugging the Dark Monarch, I would chose the cactus every time.

Not I. Evil doesn't equal ugly.

Nerwen · 08-13-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

I agree that we might as well try. Since the Bear is out for himself, if he sees his doom approaching, it is completely within his rights and power to help us out with his last kill. After all, Dark Monarch screwed him up with her attempted gift giving, so perhaps his grudge against her is greater than his dislike for us.

The odds of such a situation arising are very tiny, but just in case, why not reach out to him? It's not like it hurts anything.

Indeed– but we've been discussing this entirely hypothetical situation for... oh... quite a long time. I think quite enough has been said, don't you?

EDIT:X'd with the phantom.

wilwarin538 · 08-13-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Not I. Evil doesn't equal ugly.

08-13-2009, 09:26 AM	#4
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	Because we can use the bear to kill a possible wolf or cobbler. Morm I am hoping you retract that vote. I am very arrogant it is just starting to show since I have started speaking to the Phantom. Crossed with Rikae's 177. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-13-2009, 09:37 AM	#11
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-13-2009, 09:26 AM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	And I think all this bear talk is a sidetrack with the whiff of wolvery or cobblery about it. Good bear strategy changes with the circumstances. Talking about it on Day one is nothing but a massive waste of time.

08-13-2009, 09:29 AM	#3
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Phantom hopes, but I highly doubt it'll work. However, giving advice to a hidden bear who thinks xe has a chance to win, and attempting to give orders to a known bear who has nothing to lose are two completely different things. The first is a long shot, the second is completely ridiculous.

08-13-2009, 09:32 AM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I swear, if this persists, I'll vote Hakon out of sheer irritation.