TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nessa Telrunya · 08-13-2009, 07:41 AM

Well, at least now the conversation is boiling down to the problem at hand, rather than other oddities that only serve to up the page count.

I think the most likely strategy, that everyone will most likely fall into anyways, is to blindly vote Day one as they always have, and then look back at who voted who, and who was Night killed for motives.

But the problem lies in this: when all we can do toDay is vote blindly, how will our votes mean anything? There's no point in giving a well-thought reason when there's nothing to go on for us villagers(and gifteds). If we just tell the truth about why we're voting instead of trying to sound smart(guilty here) then it will be easier to distinguish who is who. Only the wolves are sure of who they need to kill: everyone. And that means that they will be glad with whatever lynch they can get on the first day, provided none of them die.

Nienna · 08-13-2009, 07:48 AM

*is slightly overwhelmed*

Wow... lots of pages without a lot of substance...eh... it's day one. I have read up to the best of my ability. I'm in class posting (oops) so I won't be around for real until later.

I agree with Mac that the gifteds should do what they are comfortable with and now thanks to TP I'm sure the ones that weren't contemplating leaving clues are thinking about it now.

Survey answers were confidential I believe.

I'll try to keep reading as I can but no guarantees until later.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I think the most likely strategy, that everyone will most likely fall into anyways, is to blindly vote Day one as they always have, and then look back at who voted who, and who was Night killed for motives.

But the problem lies in this: when all we can do toDay is vote blindly, how will our votes mean anything? There's no point in giving a well-thought reason when there's nothing to go on for us villagers(and gifteds). If we just tell the truth about why we're voting instead of trying to sound smart(guilty here) then it will be easier to distinguish who is who. Only the wolves are sure of who they need to kill: everyone. And that means that they will be glad with whatever lynch they can get on the first day, provided none of them die.

What exactly are you suggesting by "tell the truth instead of trying to sound smart" - that those with reasoning behind their votes should be suspected, while those who say "oh, it's just a random vote, Day 1 sucks, tralala" should be given a free pass? If we do that, we'll have hardly anything to go on Day 2, either.
I, for one, rarely vote blindly. Wolves have been caught on Day 1 by analyzing their posts - the biggest obstacle to this are the people who sidetrack everything into an argument about how useless Day 1 is and refuse too get to work wolf-hunting. To avoid contributing to such sidetracking, this is the last thing I intend to say on the topic of the usefulness or pointlessness of Day one. Just be aware that complaining about this supposed pointlessness is:
a) one of my philosophy-of-werewolfing pet peeves, and more importantly:
b) highly suspicious in my eyes.

'nuff said.

EDIT: X'd with Nessa

Nessa Telrunya · 08-13-2009, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae

What exactly are you suggesting by "tell the truth instead of trying to sound smart" - that those with reasoning behind their votes should be suspected, while those who say "oh, it's just a random vote, Day 1 sucks, tralala" should be given a free pass? If we do that, we'll have hardly anything to go on Day 2, either.
I, for one, rarely vote blindly. Wolves have been caught on Day 1 by analyzing their posts - the biggest obstacle to this are the people who sidetrack everything into an argument about how useless Day 1 is and refuse too get to work wolf-hunting. To avoid contributing to such sidetracking, this is the last thing I intend to say on the topic of the usefulness or pointlessness of Day one. Just be aware that complaining about this supposed pointlessness is:
a) one of my philosophy-of-werewolfing pet peeves, and more importantly:
b) highly suspicious in my eyes.

'nuff said.

EDIT: X'd with Nessa

No, I think it's excellent when someone has a sensible reason, only it's easy for one to vote based on banter rather than substance. That's what I'm trying to say. But I'd rather hear an obvious statement out of the speaker's desire to help the village than a genius plot from a wolf and their respective trickery.

edit: crossed since Inzil

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 08:10 AM

Sometimes innocents and gifteds play tricks, too.

Nessa Telrunya · 08-13-2009, 08:12 AM

The thing about innocents, is that their only concern should be to figure out who the baddies are. The wolves and gifteds are the ones who need to play tricks, and for either self preservation or some other motive.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 08:15 AM

On the contrary, if the innocents can manage to trick the wolves it can be very helpful. I've seen some amazing feats of deception from ordos. I'll let you figure out how yourself, though.

Boromir88 · 08-13-2009, 08:24 AM

Truthfully I've been up since 9, and knew you had not reached 5 pages. But I haven't been able to check in since getting up, and now that I have and re-check and we are at 5...you all live!

P.S. if I had a choice between licking a cactus or hugging the Dark Monarch, I would chose the cactus every time.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 08:22 AM

Rikae, what game did some innocents trick the wolves so well? I kind of unintentionally tricked Boro into making a slip last game when I posted my ranger suspicions involving Mac. Also you all seem to be forgetting something. The bear. If we can figure out who he or she is we can maybe ask him or her to kill off someone that might be a wolf during the night phase.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

Rikae, what game did some innocents trick the wolves so well? I kind of unintentionally tricked Boro into making a slip last game when I posted my ranger suspicions involving Mac. Also you all seem to be forgetting something. The bear. If we can figure out who he or she is we can maybe ask him or her to kill off someone that might be a wolf during the night phase.

Not only do I not remember which game, but I think going into detail about how and why would probably be counterproductive at this time.
If you really want to see examples, you're welcome to read through the 20+ games I've played over the last three years.

You know, it's funny - Hansy thought that villagers could control werebears, too. You really have a lot in common. I'll tell you what we told him: werebears are out for themselves and have no reason to help the village. If we find the werebear, he can't win. Village and werebear cannot win together.

wilwarin538 · 08-13-2009, 08:39 AM

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08-13-2009, 07:41 AM	#1
Nessa Telrunya Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In a paper bag Posts: 396	Well, at least now the conversation is boiling down to the problem at hand, rather than other oddities that only serve to up the page count. I think the most likely strategy, that everyone will most likely fall into anyways, is to blindly vote Day one as they always have, and then look back at who voted who, and who was Night killed for motives. But the problem lies in this: when all we can do toDay is vote blindly, how will our votes mean anything? There's no point in giving a well-thought reason when there's nothing to go on for us villagers(and gifteds). If we just tell the truth about why we're voting instead of trying to sound smart(guilty here) then it will be easier to distinguish who is who. Only the wolves are sure of who they need to kill: everyone. And that means that they will be glad with whatever lynch they can get on the first day, provided none of them die. __________________ Joined together wrote our names upon the page Seven times alliance our loyalties we gave

08-13-2009, 07:48 AM	#2
Nienna Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: School Posts: 642	is slightly overwhelmed Wow... lots of pages without a lot of substance...eh... it's day one. I have read up to the best of my ability. I'm in class posting (oops) so I won't be around for real until later. I agree with Mac that the gifteds should do what they are comfortable with and now thanks to TP I'm sure the ones that weren't contemplating leaving clues are thinking about it now. Survey answers were confidential I believe. I'll try to keep reading as I can but no guarantees until later. __________________ Puddle! Puddle!

08-13-2009, 08:12 AM	#6
Nessa Telrunya Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In a paper bag Posts: 396	The thing about innocents, is that their only concern should be to figure out who the baddies are. The wolves and gifteds are the ones who need to play tricks, and for either self preservation or some other motive. __________________ Joined together wrote our names upon the page Seven times alliance our loyalties we gave

08-13-2009, 08:24 AM	#8
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Truthfully I've been up since 9, and knew you had not reached 5 pages. But I haven't been able to check in since getting up, and now that I have and re-check and we are at 5...you all live! P.S. if I had a choice between licking a cactus or hugging the Dark Monarch, I would chose the cactus every time. __________________ Fenris Penguin

08-13-2009, 08:22 AM	#9
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	Rikae, what game did some innocents trick the wolves so well? I kind of unintentionally tricked Boro into making a slip last game when I posted my ranger suspicions involving Mac. Also you all seem to be forgetting something. The bear. If we can figure out who he or she is we can maybe ask him or her to kill off someone that might be a wolf during the night phase. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-13-2009, 08:10 AM	#5
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Sometimes innocents and gifteds play tricks, too.

08-13-2009, 08:15 AM	#7
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	On the contrary, if the innocents can manage to trick the wolves it can be very helpful. I've seen some amazing feats of deception from ordos. I'll let you figure out how yourself, though.

08-13-2009, 08:39 AM	#11
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	˙dǝǝɥs pɐǝp ɐ ʎq pǝƃɐʌɐs ƃuıǝq ǝʞıl sı ǝʎǝ-plıʍ ʎq pǝʞɔɐʇʇɐ ƃuıǝq __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin