TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Um, yes... I'll speak very slowly here so I can be sure you understand...

To the pain means... Oh, wait, that's not it.

Why exactly do you think we can control the bear if we know xyr role?

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

Crossed with Rikae's 181.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Hakon

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

...your point being...?

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...your point being...?

Since the bear will be dead either way we might as well try and ask the bear to kill someone for us. It is a long shot but I think it is worth a try and the key thing to remember here is that it only works if we figure who the bear is and since that is not a priority right now this plan will probably never happen.

[Nerwen]

Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you?

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you?

Yes I know that. I am pointing out that the bear can be used to our(the villagers) advantage.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Hakon

Yes I know that. I am pointing out that the bear can be used to our(the villagers) advantage.

The bear can kill wolves and cobblers, accidentally or or purpose, if xe has a strong suspicion and feels it's in xyr best interests. This does not mean the bear will kill the person we ask xem to.

Now, for God's sake, people, stop this foolishness! If I lack better suspects I'll vote Hakon on the grounds that even if he is innocent, he's only a liability to the village. That might seem harsh, but for crying out loud...

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Rikae

If I lack better suspects I'll vote Hakon on the grounds that even if he is innocent, he's only a liability to the village. That might seem harsh, but for crying out loud...

I understand. I mean if I do not have any suspects I am voting anyone who uses backwards text later in the day.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Hakon

I understand. I mean if I do not have any suspects I am voting anyone who uses backwards text later in the day.

!tol a sknahT

EDIT: X'd with Morm and Rikae.

[Nerwen]

Why aren't we asking the wolves to kill the bear, too? In fact, why don't we just make it a formal request?

Dear Bear and Wolves,

Please kill each other and not us.

Yours Sincerely,

The Villagers.

I'm sure they'll all listen.

EDIT: X'd with Hakon.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Why aren't we asking the wolves to kill the bear, too? In fact, why don't we just make it a formal request?

Dear Bear and Wolves,

Please kill each other and not us.

Yours Sincerely,

The Villagers.

I'm sure they'll all listen.

EDIT: X'd with Hakon.

That is the best thing ever.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Hakon

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

Yes, the bear can kill a cobbler or wolf - or an innocent. The bear is as good as dead in that case anyway, and will kill whomever xe wants. Letting xem have another night kill would be absurd.

Please don't make me explain this again. This is not why I play werewolf.

[Hakon]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Yes, the bear can kill a cobbler or wolf - or an innocent. The bear is as good as dead in that case anyway, and will kill whomever xe wants. Letting xem have another night kill would be absurd.

Please don't make me explain this again. This is not why I play werewolf.

I don't need you to explain that again. I understand what you are saying. I am just pointing stuff out. Since this seems to be causing an unnecessary argument and the bear is not a priority let us move on to talk about the priority which is the wolves. Mac, I agree with you about the wolves being very amused.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Hakon

I don't need you to explain that again. I understand what you are saying. I am just pointing stuff out. Since this seems to be causing an unnecessary argument and the bear is not a priority let us move on to talk about the priority which is the wolves. Mac, I agree with you about the wolves being very amused.

Oh lovely. So now you're going to try and turn it around and claim someone else was sidetracking the conversation? I also note you didn't admit you were wrong.

I'm not going to waste a vote on you unless I don't see anyone more suspicious, but I'm going to have to stop responding to you, for the sake of my blood pressure.

[Hakon]

Morm, thank you for retracting it.

EDIT: I removed all personal content from the post. Now it is just the one line.

[mormegil]

Personal conversations that could be considered offensive such as the one currently progressing are to be terminated immediately. Please delete all such content or I will delete it. Boromir is aware of this.

WW games should not result in personal attacks or insults!

[Nerwen]

Content deleted because it was a reply to something Hakon said at #198, which has been removed.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Why aren't we asking the wolves to kill the bear, too?

Because we know they won't. The Villains like the Bear alive, for he kills at night, and every death brings them closer to victory. There's not a chance they'd help us. It's completely against their affiliation and would not be sound strategy. The Bear on the other hand has some amount of freedom.

It seems to me that the only folks who would be irritated about this fact being pointed out would be the Cobbler and Villains. So I'd let the issue go if you don't want to attract attention of that sort.

[Brinniel]

I think what Hakon was saying is that if something happened like the seer revealed the werebear, then perhaps we could leave him alive to either have him kill a wolf or have the wolves waste their kill on him (as they may be worried that he will kill one of them) come Night. Then we can spend the Day hunting a wolf instead. I don't know if it's an idea I'd go for, but it's not stupid. We can't expect the bear to listen to us, even if exposed, so it'd be all about luck. If the bear killed a wolf, it be more likely he did without intentionally trying, and the wolves would probably only waste a kill on the bear if their numbers were down or they had a reason to think the bear would pick one of them as his kill.

I think you all are being rather harsh on Hakon. While he hasn't caught on as quickly as some newbies, I don't think he's intentionally trying to be confusing or irritating; he probably really just doesn't understand all the rules. And while that doesn't mean he's necessarily innocent, not understanding something is no reason to attack someone. I know for some old-timers this confusion can get irritating, but you should give everyone a chance to learn. Let's not drive our newbies away from this site, okay?

[Lariren Shadow]

Have been catching up and here are replies:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lari, weren't you hunter in my game as well?

Yes I was, but I left no hints.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

*logs on*
*sees 4 pages posted during the night*
*turns dark green*

!snoroM

*snickers* I was just trying to fulfill the request of pages.

Originally Posted by Hakon

This is my second game ever. What did I suggest last game that was so bad? Was it the idea of looking for clues in the narration posts?

Day one is the hardest. I think that looking at these surveys may help us on day one. We still have well over 12 hours left to the day. Let us take a look at these surveys.

The surveys could help, but as it has been said, in passing and not openingly saying who you put down. It could be done in code or in list post about what you think of each player. However, the other thing that does come to mind is that yes, probably the people we did trust the most are wolves, but it could also be the people we distrusted in order to throw off our reasoning.

Originally Posted by Hakon

Alright. I will drop the topic for now.

Nothing would stop someone for lying. I just think that the ordinaries would be honest since it would help catch the wolves. The cobbler, bear and wolves might lie but if the ordinaries tell the truth that helps a lot. I also think that the gifteds would tell the truth

Clearly you have never seen Fea as an ordo.

Originally Posted by Hakon

That is true. I still think the bear can kill at least one person we are suspicious of.

Rikae, it is great that you think I am like another member but this Hansy guy sounds like a person I should not want to be like. I would also like to point out Phantom gave me the idea of using the bear. His post where he mentions the codes also talks about the bear.

The bear(Fea) in Shasta's game did kill a wolf(am still annoyed about that). But she was still out for herself.

Originally Posted by Hakon

If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it.

Crossed with Rikae's 181.

...so are you saying that during the Night phase we should go over the posts and see if we can find a bear and then...what? I mean, sure one of use could find a bear but there are only a few players who could talk in PMs. Are you suggesting we leave it to the BFFs? Because they are the only ones on the side of good that can do that. No one else can communicate and its easy to say at the beginning of the Day "oh I found the bear last Night!" but its still just speculation.

Wow, I seemed to have replied a lot to Hakon. As far as all the bear stuff is concerned I'm of the opinion that the bear can be inadvertently helpful and kill a wolf or the cobbler but they can also be dangerous and kill the Ranger or Seer. I tend to treat a bear as a wolf.