TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

That too, Nerwen, but I'm running a bit low on brains today (shut it!) so if anyone's putting them out there I've admittedly missed them. And really, I don't think I specified. If I was really mean I'd speak in them entirely, but I'm too lazy.

...swollag eht ot deggard flesruoy dnif uoy dluohs ecnerefer ot elba eb ll'uoy senecs htaed emosewa eht fo kniht tsuj :gnitouq eht fo tsom od uoy fi retteb ylbaborp s'ti tcaf nI .rettam t'nseod ti ,lleW

."eht" a tuo tfel :TIDE

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...swollag ot deggard flesruoy dnif uoy dluohs ecnerefer ot elba eb ll'uoy senecs htaed emosewa eht fo kniht tsuj :gnitouq eht fo tsom od uoy fi retteb ylbaborp s'ti tcaf nI .rettam t'nseod ti ,lleW

Trufax. Oooo look! Four pages!

Tis a far, far better....oh wait, sorry, movie quotes. My bad.

Anyway now that we've got four pages (or at least the start of a fourth page) I think I'll leave the babbling in the rest of your capable paws.


(Okay, now I'm mad. Envision, if you will, the scene from Robin Hood Men in Tights where he says goodbye in like six languages, because for some reason I can't find it on youtube. Sorry about that, lovelies. Oh, and g'night!)

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Also, it wouldn't be a werewolf game if I didn't jump on Phantom for something. Phantom, say something extremely arrogant and pigheaded so I can vote for you, 'kay?

Do you really need him to say something in order to find an excuse to vote him? I've been told that tp has never been lynched and if that's true, than surely it's a good enough reason alone to be voting him.

On a more serious note, I will have to vote early toDay as I plan to see a Broadway show tonight (haven't decided which) and most likely won't be back by deadline. There's a chance I'll be around early evening, but just in case, I will probably vote late morning/early afternoon (EST).

Anyway, it's super late so I must go. It's up to everyone else now to post, and perhaps we'll make it to five pages by morning, though I'm not sure since it's emptied out in here and will probably be dead for the next few hours...

[Pitchwife]

Hi everybody, just got up and finished reading through the early morning pages. Doesn't look like I've missed anything of substance, except for discussion of the phantom's little strategy paper, which I need some time to think about. Unfortunately, I'm a bit in a hurry right now and must be off to work, but I'll be back with you shortly after the middle of the Day.
About phantom's proposal to the Bear to join forces against the wolves with us - might work for a time, but if Tame-Eye wants to win, he'll have to turn on us sooner or later, and vice-versa. The same applies to him joining the wolves against us, of course. Reminds me of the old saying: Do not attempt to treat with bears, for you are juicy and good with honey!

[mormegil]

Wow, I'm astounded by the lack of any real substance based on the volume of posts. Personally I feel that phantom speaks wisely. It doesn't mean he is an innocent but for the innocents it's a good thing for the seer and other such gifted to leave coded clues so that if they are killed we have some solid info to go on. I have a few that I suspect at this point but I will hold off until I hear from more.

As far as you idea to vote 30 minutes prior to the deadline I'm not sure I like that. I think most having stated their intention is sufficient but imposing an artificial deadline may not make sense and artificially hurt us.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Oh wow! I wake up in the morning and we're on PAGE FOUR?

All I can say is that I would've helped, but little girls like me are supposed to be asleep in the early a.m's.

Even worse, in all FOUR (three?) pages, no one has said anything for me to blame them. And to think I was hoping for such a miracle. ToT

But tp's plan seems sound enough to me. The only problem is that it unnervingly reminds me of a similar scenario in TiG III involving Fordim Hedgthistle. Except there, it was used as a basis for Day one votes. (Yeah, I like to read through the older games-helps a doof like me figure things out )

I won't be surprised if someone uses peoples reactions to that plan to decide on their vote. It seems to happen a lot.

edit: crossed with morm

[Inziladun]

After going through three full pages of this, I now entirely sympathize with a certain Nog, who apparently has a deep understanding of brain hurting.

As for Candor Man's minor controvery about the Gifted clues, all I can say is he does 'walk the walk' in that regard. One needs to be very deliberate and subtle when trying to leave clues like that, however.
Well, now that I've had a refreshing sleep, I'll be around off and on the rest of the day.

[Macalaure]

*logs on*
*sees 4 pages posted during the night*
*turns dark green*

!snoroM

[autume98]

That was some interesting reading. Not a lot of substance, but very entertaining.

I like what tp said about leaving clues. I just hope that someone else picks up on what others say. It seems as though I have a hard time picking these things up. Totally did not see the Seer comments Boro left behind last game to throw people off his trail.

But tp's plan seems sound enough to me. The only problem is that it unnervingly reminds me of a similar scenario in TiG III involving Fordim Hedgthistle. Except there, it was used as a basis for Day one votes. (Yeah, I like to read through the older games-helps a doof like me figure things out )

This sounds like a good idea Nessa. I must find these archives. Maybe I'll be able to figure things out this way too.

[Rikae]

Hints of the type phantom described are certainly a good thing, but the type Sally suggests are riskier (which has me uneasy about Sally). Under certain circumstances phantom-hints can even amount to the next best thing to proof . Surely you can figure those circumstances out for yourselves, so I have no need to explain them.
By the way, all this backwards reading is starting to make the regular text look reversed to me. All of you ought to be ashamed for hurting Smeagol's poor eyeses, precious.
Now, as for the phantom deadline, to sum up what I said earlier: I don't think it'll go over big, since a lot of people consider last-minute voting the best part of the game. Don't expect me to abide by it.

[Mirandir]

#124
Says has to be off to work, but says phantom's proposal to the Bear to side with the village against the wolves might work for a while, but not forever.

#230
Back and reading.

#291
Doesn't suspect Hakon.
Thinks Mac is reasonable.
Feels morm overreacted with vote for Hakon.
Finds Nerwen amusing but difficult to read.
Says Rikae is talking sense, but prolonging discussion she herself claimed was useless.

#313
Thinks Hakon-waggon is suspicion, ponders one wolf being among voters.
Liked phantom's idea of lynching Fea to avoid killing a gifted. Wonders how Fea-vote would leave less of a trail than a no-vote.

#325
Answers own question - no-votes need to be explained the next day, Fea-voters can say they did it because phantom suggested it.
Responds to Rikae - doesn't think she is the bear, suggests might be a wolf that doesn't want the bear turning on the wolves or an innocent who disagrees with phantom. Probably the latter.

#333
List! In alphabetical order!
Brinn - most of what she said sounds good
Inzil - same as Brinn, has good point about body count
morm - still doesn't like his vote for Hakon, but other than that makes good points
Rikae - "better after end of bear discussion"
the phantom - "makes controversial suggestions and backs them up, I like that. I can understand why some people would find his ideas suspicious, but at least he's been starting discussions and given us something to chew - which, I suspect, was his purpose making those suggestions in the first place."

#339
List! Continued!
alona - nothing conclusive, hiding behind morm
autumne - little to go on
Form - nothing to add to Lari's points
Mira - absent since the morning
Nessa - nothing conclusive, but made effort early on
sally - looked good until locked in vote for Hakon
Shasta - needs to come back

Responds to Rikae's comment about people making sense being evil and offers to stop making sense.

#345
Response to Rikae's questions (feelings on phantom and newbies):
phantom - essentially go with it and hope for the best
Hakon - no strong feelings
alona and autumne - also no strong feelings
Nessa - nothing strong, but has most cunning of the four

Says doesn't fear Rikae.

#356
Responds to Hakon's question about Nessa's cunning

#393
Ponders Hakon-waggon voters but doesn't draw any conclusions

#404
Agrees with Form to keep morm, Rikae, and tp around a while longer. Suspects morm and sally somewhat but doesn't have enough to go on. Irked by Rikae's suspicion him. Left with alona and autumne but doesn't want to vote either.

#416
Votes alona, but autumne is a close second

#425
Retracts vote for alona and votes for sally

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The conclusion that I have drawn is that he probably dreamed of either the phantom or Hakon, in that order. I would think that his second dream would be of morm. His interactions with Rikae could stand to be looked at closer, since there was a good deal of them, but that could just be because Rikae found him suspicious and he was defending himself.

EDIT: Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

[Boromir88]

I've been asked to clean up part of the confusion with the Rules

Originally Posted by Mirandir

EDIT: Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

This is not correct. The only gifteds who can ever PM are the BFFs. If Pitch did find a gifted he would not have been able to PM them, he would have only been able to discover their gift.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

And now some clever person is bound to call the above a "crafty bid for sympathy" or something. Very well. I don't think I have a chance to survive toDay anymore anyway, but it would be nice if someone could sympathize me in the process of lynching me, anyway. I am actually a human being.

Nogrod isn't playing.

More to come later, but I'm putting in a vote right now, because I'm, um, training my shadow-powers all day (read: reasons in admin thread) and won't be here most of the day!

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mira and Inzil are looking suspicious to me because I get the feeling they're hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon du jour (me) with misleading reasons (Inzil, though he backed off it when pressed) or simply bizarre reasoning which screams "I gotta come up with some suspicion, but anything will do, since everyone dislikes and wants to lynch this person already anyway".

I was wasn't 'backing off'. I went to bed.
And far from 'hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon' for you, I was the driver of that thar wagon, thank you very much.
I have a question about your Day 1 'trap' for the wolves regarding the Fea-voting after it had been declared she would be modfired. Why did you not immediately press any who appeared to take it seriously, specifically Brinn?
Would she not have been at least as tempting a vote as Pitchwife?

Originally Posted by Mirandir

EDIT: Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

This does look bad. A serious slip, whether from a innocent or a baddie. Mac pointed it out to her quickly, but was that necessary just then? It was already there, and could not legitimately be edited out. Oddly enough she's also put in a vote for Rikae. Could mean nothing, though, as I think she even said she'd probably retract.