WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Isabellkya]

Nice try Nog.

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?


Nerwen, why were you wanting to wait yesterDay for Gwath to vote?

Did you think his vote would make a difference and matter, or just didn't want him to be modkilled?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nice try Nog.

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?

Well– I'd hope Brinniel wouldn't allow a Gwathwolf to win that way.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nerwen, why were you wanting to wait yesterDay for Gwath to vote?

Did you think his vote would make a difference and matter, or just didn't want him to be modkilled?

Both– the former because I got confused about the voting rules, and thought Shasta was doomed without another vote on Eonwe.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nice try Nog.

Now this is an interesting reaction to someone making plain pure sense and weighing the different possible scenarios... An innocent - even if one that would end up suspected by that kind of analysis - wouldn't react that way, I'd suppose. "Nice try"?

Originally Posted by Izzy

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?

I don't know. I hope he had good enough reasons so that Brinn let him stay with the game because of them. For here I would go even farther than Nerwen who said she'd hope Brinn didn't let Gwath continue because he's a mutineer; I'd say it would be a bit lousy victory indeed were it because special rules were applied because of one's role.

And anyway I don't see why the mutineers would have attacked Rikae in those circumstances (Gwath being one of them, that is)... And here I disagree with Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

maybe there were still four wolves then, and they thought it worth the risk.

First of all: why? Why take the risk? They could keep her around for the last Day if they wished - or wait for a better opportunity. Secondly: if there were four mutineers (or even three) after Day4 it would mean that Brinn would have no reason whatsoever to let a mutineer-Gwath live on special grounds. The only reason I could see Brinn take special steps with Gwath is that the mutineers were so badly beaten already at that point that the game would have ended really prematurely - not that I think it's fair politics, but it would be somewhat understandable. But were they low on numbers on Day4, they would not have risked killing Rikae in the first place...

So that explanation doesn't quite add up with other considerations I'm afraid.

[Boromir88]

For here I would go even farther than Nerwen who said she'd hope Brinn didn't let Gwath continue because he's a mutineer; I'd say it would be a bit lousy victory indeed were it because special rules were applied because of one's role.~Nogrod

If Gwath's a mutineer, whoever said he was given special considerations though?

El Capitain has already pointed out she doesn't like to have to mod-fire someone, but the rule was in place for a reason. Mira and Wilwa both had to leave for most likely not being able to participate not just for 1 or 2 days, but for the rest of the time. Maybe one of them's a wolf, maybe not...but to Brinn it didn't seem like their role mattered. They would have been mod-fired eventually had they not shown up.

Had Gwath not shown up, whether he's a mutineer or not, I think Brinn would have done the same. But Gwath did come back, and who knows whether he told Brinn why he didn't vote for 3 days, or not? It seems the mod-fire is there to make sure of course that there is no 'sour' victory, but that doesn't mean based on other circumstances the mod-fire rule can not be bent.

Basically I'm saying Gwath not being mod-fired should not 'prove' whether he is am mutineer or not, because from the sound of it Mira was going to get the same treatment from the Captain. She was going to get the chance to 'come back,' because of an internet situation, and Gwath was probably getting the same courtesy.

Doesn't mean he's a mutineer, doesn't mean that he isn't, and doesn't mean Brinn didn't want to mod-fire one of the mutineers. It looked to me (at least with both Mira and Gwath) she wouldn't want to, but if necessary would have mod-fired them.

Makes no difference now, because Gwath is back, and I agree with Mith...in this circumstance, an explanation for why the prolonged absense is due.

[Inziladun]

Depending on what Gwath has to say, I think I would be leaning torward Izzy being the best choice today.
Nerwen's innocence, almost from the beginning of the game, has been contingent upon whether Greenie's seer claim was legitimate. As no one, even after death has come forward to contest that claim, I can't imagine Nerwen as a Mutineer.
Gwath, as others have said, should give an account of his absence, but it's difficult for me to believe he's a Mutineer either. Missing so many votes would seem to have deprived the good side of an adequate chance to get a good read on him if he's evil.
Which leaves Izzy, who appears to have done all in her power to look consistently suspicious. Cobbler seemed more likely to me for a long time, but process of elimination leads to the conclusion she would be the vote for me today.

x'd with Nogrod