WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Unfortunately there is no point my trying this. Very clever, Wolf.

I wonder if you're Gwath after all? When Eonwe's death didn't end the game, I thought it must be Shasta or Izzy. I mean, if I've been spared because of Izzy's fixation on me, that suggests it's not Izzy.

Not sure, because I don't understand how Izzy thinks, and if she's a wolf she's a lone wolf now...

EDIT:X'd since Izzy at 1227.

Right, cause the mutineers totally would have killed a mutineer. Geez. I PMed my strategy to Brinn earlier today and everything, cause I was so happy to have thought of it, and now I'm dead and disappointed. Excuuuse me.

[Isabellkya]

I'm doubting that there were two Mutineers hanging around yesterDay.

Otherwise.. if Gwath is the Mutie - well he just added his vote on Eonwe, so it didn't really matter. Since Eonwe was already sentenced to death by Shark Bait. I doubt Shark Bait would've unvoted and voted for himself, and I don't think you wouldn't done so either Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Right, cause the mutineers totally would have killed a mutineer. Geez.

Huh? I'm not addressing you as "Wolf"!

Is that what you thought?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Huh? I'm not addressing you as "Wolf"!

Is that what you thought?

...Yes.

*blush*

[Nogrod]

Okay, I just don't get it.

Any reasonable lone-mutineer would try to have as "lynchable" fellows around her/him on the last Day. But what did s/he do? Killed Shasta!

Now we have the two only people in this game a kind of case could be made they are not mutineers eg. Nerwen (via dream) and Gwath (via mutineers attacking hunter-Rikae suspecting ang voting for him).

If you Izzy actually are the last mutineer... *shakes head and rolls eyes*


So what other possibilities there are?

Greenie was a co-conspie and made the swindle of the year choosing Nerwen - and getting it right from what, four out of twenty possibilities eg. 1/5! Thus Nerwen is the mutineer. That would explain why she continues to live - but as I said already yesterDay: the dynamics of this game sure are different and there probably isn't the same urge here to get rid of "known innocents".

The mutineers went for Rikae who was a self-confessed hunter. And even if she suspected Gwath heavily & even voted for him, still with mutineer-Gwath in the pack they decided to go for her? Okay. This I find even less believable than Greenie's possible hoax. It's suicidal for the mutineers to attack a hunter suspecting heavily one of their own. I just don't buy it. Although it's interesting why they attacked Rikae in the first place? One would think the mutineers would let the hunter stay as there are risks in killing her.

Blah... It must be Izzy. But why did she play her cards this way were she a mutineer? Beats me...


Interesting scheme Shasta! I would have loved to see it unfold!

Buit it would have been pretty complicated indeed and have different result-options depending on fex. whether there are two inncents or one innocent and one co-conspie alongside the last mutineer.

Heh, just thinking about one option (with one cobbler still in the game):

Player X: "HAhaa, I'm the mutineer, now you co-op, vote with me for Player Y!"
Player Y: "Wait a minute! I'm the mutineer. Let's vote that lousy trickster-goodie X off!"
Player Z (Cobbler): Hmph...

[Isabellkya]

Nice try Nog.

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?


Nerwen, why were you wanting to wait yesterDay for Gwath to vote?

Did you think his vote would make a difference and matter, or just didn't want him to be modkilled?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nice try Nog.

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?

Well– I'd hope Brinniel wouldn't allow a Gwathwolf to win that way.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nerwen, why were you wanting to wait yesterDay for Gwath to vote?

Did you think his vote would make a difference and matter, or just didn't want him to be modkilled?

Both– the former because I got confused about the voting rules, and thought Shasta was doomed without another vote on Eonwe.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nice try Nog.

Now this is an interesting reaction to someone making plain pure sense and weighing the different possible scenarios... An innocent - even if one that would end up suspected by that kind of analysis - wouldn't react that way, I'd suppose. "Nice try"?

Originally Posted by Izzy

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?

I don't know. I hope he had good enough reasons so that Brinn let him stay with the game because of them. For here I would go even farther than Nerwen who said she'd hope Brinn didn't let Gwath continue because he's a mutineer; I'd say it would be a bit lousy victory indeed were it because special rules were applied because of one's role.

And anyway I don't see why the mutineers would have attacked Rikae in those circumstances (Gwath being one of them, that is)... And here I disagree with Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

maybe there were still four wolves then, and they thought it worth the risk.

First of all: why? Why take the risk? They could keep her around for the last Day if they wished - or wait for a better opportunity. Secondly: if there were four mutineers (or even three) after Day4 it would mean that Brinn would have no reason whatsoever to let a mutineer-Gwath live on special grounds. The only reason I could see Brinn take special steps with Gwath is that the mutineers were so badly beaten already at that point that the game would have ended really prematurely - not that I think it's fair politics, but it would be somewhat understandable. But were they low on numbers on Day4, they would not have risked killing Rikae in the first place...

So that explanation doesn't quite add up with other considerations I'm afraid.

[Boromir88]

For here I would go even farther than Nerwen who said she'd hope Brinn didn't let Gwath continue because he's a mutineer; I'd say it would be a bit lousy victory indeed were it because special rules were applied because of one's role.~Nogrod

If Gwath's a mutineer, whoever said he was given special considerations though?

El Capitain has already pointed out she doesn't like to have to mod-fire someone, but the rule was in place for a reason. Mira and Wilwa both had to leave for most likely not being able to participate not just for 1 or 2 days, but for the rest of the time. Maybe one of them's a wolf, maybe not...but to Brinn it didn't seem like their role mattered. They would have been mod-fired eventually had they not shown up.

Had Gwath not shown up, whether he's a mutineer or not, I think Brinn would have done the same. But Gwath did come back, and who knows whether he told Brinn why he didn't vote for 3 days, or not? It seems the mod-fire is there to make sure of course that there is no 'sour' victory, but that doesn't mean based on other circumstances the mod-fire rule can not be bent.

Basically I'm saying Gwath not being mod-fired should not 'prove' whether he is am mutineer or not, because from the sound of it Mira was going to get the same treatment from the Captain. She was going to get the chance to 'come back,' because of an internet situation, and Gwath was probably getting the same courtesy.

Doesn't mean he's a mutineer, doesn't mean that he isn't, and doesn't mean Brinn didn't want to mod-fire one of the mutineers. It looked to me (at least with both Mira and Gwath) she wouldn't want to, but if necessary would have mod-fired them.

Makes no difference now, because Gwath is back, and I agree with Mith...in this circumstance, an explanation for why the prolonged absense is due.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The mutineers went for Rikae who was a self-confessed hunter. And even if she suspected Gwath heavily & even voted for him, still with mutineer-Gwath in the pack they decided to go for her? Okay. This I find even less believable than Greenie's possible hoax. It's suicidal for the mutineers to attack a hunter suspecting heavily one of their own. I just don't buy it. Although it's interesting why they attacked Rikae in the first place? One would think the mutineers would let the hunter stay as there are risks in killing her.

I can only make the same suggestion I did then: maybe there were still four wolves then, and they thought it worth the risk.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Blah... It must be Izzy. But why did she play her cards this way were she a mutineer? Beats me...

*shrugs* Maybe so much of her fake-cobbler act was built around attacking me that she didn't know what to do without me. Or maybe she thinks she's made a far more convincing case against me than she actually has.

I agree it certainly ought to be Izzy... I'm just trying to work out whether that's too easy.

There is one thing in Izzy's favour, and that's her reaction to Rikae's death and yours. It looks evil, but it also looks like the response of someone who was not expecting to find Rikae dead, i.e. not a wolf. However, if she's a wolf she's been working very hard at cobbler-impersonation.

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

[Nerwen]

post deleted because I accidentally quoted my last post instead of editing it.

[Isabellkya]

If I'm lynched, game over and innocents lose.

Of course I'm hoping that there isn't a Mutineer, a Cobbler, and an Ordo - here. Because that would just be.... a bit evil.

If that is the case, trying to figure out who the real Mutie is, Cobbler?

I think it could be Gwath just a smidge more over Nerwen.



If Nerwen were the Mutineer, then why choose Shasta over Gwath?


hmm.
I'll probably make my vote in the next twenty minutes. Since I'll be blowing stuff up all day, since this is our last Day... and Miss Mod said to make the most of it.


X'd with Nerwen.