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Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:03 PM

Just think about it.
Five people left. Probably one cobbler and one wolf left.

People have been saying (even writing me off as one,)I am a Cobbler for Days. With probability of being a wolf.

So why would I continue denying?
If I were a Cobbler, I would either admit it - or actually try to get lynched.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:05 PM

Oh, I think the joke is on all of us.

Beside the point, was there any inclination that Gwath was coming back?

X'd with Nerwen.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:10 PM

I'm not a Cobbler, or a Wolf. Nor am I gifted.

Now, what does that leave?

Cannon Fodder of the Ordo kind. xD

Gwath.
I think Nerwen is suspicious because of her behavior.
People seemed to believe Greenie's claim of seership. By believing that, they believe Nerwen is an innocentordo, or a Cobbler.

Yet no one seemed to really factor in that she could be a Cobbler, until later Days.

As I said before. I've seen her where she was a known innocent, and she behaved drastically different then, as opposed to now. Yes, you could say that is metagaming, styles change... yadda yadda.

However, she wasn't even trying to act like a "known" innocent, which most seemed to write her off as. She wasn't giving reasons with her votes, or suspicions - if at all. She followed others a lot.

If you are in that position of being a "known" innocent, then it can be all too easy for others to follow you. Yet she wasn't watching herself. So her flimsy reasons on voting for people and suspicions, became even more flimsy when/if someone followed her with them.

X'd with Gwath.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:13 PM

Cannon Fodder Ordo's don't have to make sense.
I just am.

X'd with Nerwen.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:14 PM

Nope, not trying to get lynched.

Nerwen · 06-28-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Cannon Fodder Ordo's don't have to make sense.

Yes, they do.

Gwathagor · 06-28-2009, 10:15 PM

Huh. This is looking more and more like one of those innocent vs. innocent brawls where the village always loses. Nogrod and I have had several of those. That would leave Eonwe and Shasta - but Eonwe's trying to get Shasta killed, so if either one of them is a mutineer, it's probably Eonwe.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:17 PM

Would it not be funny if Gwath is a Mutineer?

Gwathagor · 06-28-2009, 10:19 PM

I don't know about "funny," per se.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:19 PM

Shasta is also trying to get Eonwe killed....

X'd with Gwath.

Gwathagor · 06-28-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Shasta is also trying to get Eonwe killed....

Has he voted for him and I just didn't notice?

Nerwen · 06-28-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

People seemed to believe Greenie's claim of seership. By believing that, they believe Nerwen is an innocentordo, or a Cobbler.

No, Izzy, you can't just say that. You have to come up with a theory that plausibly accounts for the lack of counter-reveals. I've asked you for it already.

What is it?

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

However, she wasn't even trying to act like a "known" innocent, which most seemed to write her off as. She wasn't giving reasons with her votes, or suspicions - if at all. She followed others a lot.

My schedule most Days has forced me to leave early and then return an hour before DL. Therefore I've often had to make snap decisions. That's all.

Besides, what happened to your repeated claim that I was trying to look innocent?

You see? You can't even get your own story straight.

EDIT: X'd since my last post.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:25 PM

No they don't. Nothing has to make sense, people just have become accustomed to things that make sense, and so prefer it. Nothing has to have order either.
So when things that "don't make sense" to you appear, you immediately make a judgement call and try to fit it into preconceived notions and ideals.

Hehehe.
You wish my I had issues with my "story".
There are no issues and you know it.

X'd with Gwath.

Isabellkya · 06-28-2009, 10:27 PM

I believe the vote tally stands at...

Eonwe -> Shasta
Nerwen -> Eonwe
Shasta -> Eonwe 2
Izzy -> Shasta 2

Nerwen · 06-28-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

No they don't. Nothing has to make sense, people just have become accustomed to things that make sense, and so prefer it. Nothing has to have order either.
So when things that "don't make sense" to you appear, you immediately make a judgement call and try to fit it into preconceived notions and ideals.

Hehehe.
You wish my I had issues with my "story".
There are no issues and you know it.

What?

Nerwen · 06-28-2009, 10:33 PM

Gwath, what I think is happening is that Cobbler-Izzy believes Eonwe is a wolf and is trying to get me so rattled that I switch my vote to her.

She appears to have given up on actually making a case against me– in fact, she's now, it seems, admitted she doesn't have one.

Gwathagor · 06-28-2009, 10:47 PM

Just about bed-time for Gwathy, but here's what's going on in my head.

I thought for a while that Izzy might be a cobbler trying to attract votes away from Shasta and Eonwe, but I see now that she voted for Shasta, so that doesn't make sense. I suppose she could conceivably be a mutineer, but she's been going after Nerwen pretty aggressively - so if Izzy's a mutineer, than I'd bet that she's got another mutineer working with her (at the very least she would have to be cooperating with a cobbler), since a lone mutineer would likely play conservatively. Or a lone mutineer Izzy would anyway, I'd guess.

I really think Nerwen is probably innocent, which is what makes me wonder about Izzy.

Shasta and Eonwe are enigmas for me. I can't remember them doing anything noteworthy - which I guess does concern me a bit, as there's always at least one wolf who plays it quiet. Shasta has done that on at least one occasion. I honestly can't remember what Eonwe's like as a wolf.

Nerwen · 06-28-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I thought for a while that Izzy might be a cobbler trying to attract votes away from Shasta and Eonwe, but I see now that she voted for Shasta, so that doesn't make sense. I suppose she could conceivably be a mutineer, but she's been going after Nerwen pretty aggressively - so if Izzy's a mutineer, than I'd bet that she's got another mutineer working with her (at the very least she would have to be cooperating with a cobbler), since a lone mutineer would likely play conservatively.

I said this before: if there's two mutineers, Izzy's probably one of them. Otherwise they'd know there was a cobbler (Izzy) around and they could come out in the open.

EDIT:X'd with Gwath.

Nerwen · 06-28-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Just think about it.
Five people left. Probably one cobbler and one wolf left.

People have been saying (even writing me off as one,)I am a Cobbler for Days. With probability of being a wolf.

So why would I continue denying?
If I were a Cobbler, I would either admit it - or actually try to get lynched.

So you're saying you're a wolf, then?

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

Gwathagor · 06-28-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

So you're saying you're a wolf, then?

I don't know what she's doing, but it doesn't make any sense.

Nerwen · 06-28-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I don't know what she's doing, but it doesn't make any sense.

It does if she's a cobbler and, in her own words, "actually trying to get lynched" now.

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

06-28-2009, 10:03 PM	#1
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Just think about it. Five people left. Probably one cobbler and one wolf left. People have been saying (even writing me off as one,)I am a Cobbler for Days. With probability of being a wolf. So why would I continue denying? If I were a Cobbler, I would either admit it - or actually try to get lynched. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:05 PM	#2
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Oh, I think the joke is on all of us. Beside the point, was there any inclination that Gwath was coming back? X'd with Nerwen. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:10 PM	#3
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	I'm not a Cobbler, or a Wolf. Nor am I gifted. Now, what does that leave? Cannon Fodder of the Ordo kind. xD Gwath. I think Nerwen is suspicious because of her behavior. People seemed to believe Greenie's claim of seership. By believing that, they believe Nerwen is an innocentordo, or a Cobbler. Yet no one seemed to really factor in that she could be a Cobbler, until later Days. As I said before. I've seen her where she was a known innocent, and she behaved drastically different then, as opposed to now. Yes, you could say that is metagaming, styles change... yadda yadda. However, she wasn't even trying to act like a "known" innocent, which most seemed to write her off as. She wasn't giving reasons with her votes, or suspicions - if at all. She followed others a lot. If you are in that position of being a "known" innocent, then it can be all too easy for others to follow you. Yet she wasn't watching herself. So her flimsy reasons on voting for people and suspicions, became even more flimsy when/if someone followed her with them. X'd with Gwath. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:13 PM	#4
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Cannon Fodder Ordo's don't have to make sense. I just am. X'd with Nerwen. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:14 PM	#5
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Nope, not trying to get lynched. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:15 PM	#7
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Huh. This is looking more and more like one of those innocent vs. innocent brawls where the village always loses. Nogrod and I have had several of those. That would leave Eonwe and Shasta - but Eonwe's trying to get Shasta killed, so if either one of them is a mutineer, it's probably Eonwe. __________________ Stories and songs.

06-28-2009, 10:17 PM	#8
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Would it not be funny if Gwath is a Mutineer? __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:19 PM	#9
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	I don't know about "funny," per se. __________________ Stories and songs.

06-28-2009, 10:25 PM	#13
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	No they don't. Nothing has to make sense, people just have become accustomed to things that make sense, and so prefer it. Nothing has to have order either. So when things that "don't make sense" to you appear, you immediately make a judgement call and try to fit it into preconceived notions and ideals. Hehehe. You wish my I had issues with my "story". There are no issues and you know it. X'd with Gwath. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:27 PM	#14
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	I believe the vote tally stands at... Eonwe -> Shasta Nerwen -> Eonwe Shasta -> Eonwe 2 Izzy -> Shasta 2 __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-28-2009, 10:33 PM	#16
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Gwath, what I think is happening is that Cobbler-Izzy believes Eonwe is a wolf and is trying to get me so rattled that I switch my vote to her. She appears to have given up on actually making a case against me– in fact, she's now, it seems, admitted she doesn't have one. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-28-2009, 10:47 PM	#17
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Just about bed-time for Gwathy, but here's what's going on in my head. I thought for a while that Izzy might be a cobbler trying to attract votes away from Shasta and Eonwe, but I see now that she voted for Shasta, so that doesn't make sense. I suppose she could conceivably be a mutineer, but she's been going after Nerwen pretty aggressively - so if Izzy's a mutineer, than I'd bet that she's got another mutineer working with her (at the very least she would have to be cooperating with a cobbler), since a lone mutineer would likely play conservatively. Or a lone mutineer Izzy would anyway, I'd guess. I really think Nerwen is probably innocent, which is what makes me wonder about Izzy. Shasta and Eonwe are enigmas for me. I can't remember them doing anything noteworthy - which I guess does concern me a bit, as there's always at least one wolf who plays it quiet. Shasta has done that on at least one occasion. I honestly can't remember what Eonwe's like as a wolf. __________________ Stories and songs.