WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Rikae]

Oh Mac, this time you can't gloat freely - I can haunt you.

Originally Posted by th' snifflin' one

I'm sure this comment will make you even more sure, but for what it's worth: Rikae tested me and concluded that someone else was still more suspicious than me.

Yeah, someone more suspicious - meaning Gwath - but you were still in my top, oh, four...

As for Nogrod, I figured if the aggressors chose to kill me, it probably was because the suspicions I voiced were wrong, do I killed someone who would have little reason to fear me - still, that's far from certain, especially if (as I fear is the case) all four wolves are alive - they might have thought the los of one was a risk worth taking.

It's possible you're 11 with 6 evil, which would mean you've already lost, if the baddies can but coordinate their efforts (not to be a morbid voice from beyond the grave... in the Barrow Downs, no less... but I just thought I should point that out). Even without the cobblers - if all the wolves are alive, you have one more day. DOOM!!!! REPENT!!!

Oh, and I wanted to say "give my regards to Davy Jones" sometime, and now it doesn't make sense. Curses.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

still, that's far from certain, especially if (as I fear is the case) all four wolves are alive - they might have thought the loss of one was a risk worth taking.

That's what I'm afraid of, and it's why I don't think we can simply rule out Gwath or Mac just because you suspected them.

Or Izzy, for that matter. However, her posting toDay looks both evil (continuing with her plan to throw suspicion around) and non-wolvish (was apparently taken aback to find you lynched). But she could be faking that, or the surprise could have been at finding Nogrod dead instead of someone more likely.

EDIT: Or Lommy– forgot about her.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

especially if (as I fear is the case) all four wolves are alive - they might have thought the los of one was a risk worth taking.

It's possible you're 11 with 6 evil, which would mean you've already lost, if the baddies can but coordinate their efforts

Sadly I do share your pessimism Rikae...

I don't believe Mac and Boro are both innocents. And I doubt they both are mutineers.

Lommy is giving me the creeps right now. She's, well how should one say it, careless or jubilant - and confident? (if all the mutineers are alive she has reason to be jubilant and confident)

And this caught my eye as well looking at the posting of late:

Originally Posted by Inzil

The signs appear to point to a Mutineer Mac and a Conspirator Gwath.

That came right after Lommy had made her cases basically just telling us that Mac is a mutineer and he should be lynched. And Inzil was also quick to name Gwath a co-conspie rather than innocent, which is an interesting decision - although I admit I haven't yet read all that happened in the past two Days and maybe there is reason for that deduction... But somehow her post jumped like being one where happy mutineers just try to make it safe and bring the victory home quite soon.

Okay, getting ghosted kind of lessens one's motivation and inspiration to play full-time as there is no thrills of fighting for one's life and solving the mysteries together with others. And why make a loads of work just to be disregarded by enough many convincing mutineers?

On another, though relating issue, I'm not sure if lynching a ghost is reasonable politics - unless it's a double-lynch. But the double-lynches are generally quite risky as it would require co-ordination of all - well at least those present at the end of the Day. There we might run the risk of just lynching the ghost and missing a possible mutineer (a fellow mutineer might just hang around in the end and vote "wrongly" just by "accident"... and all that - with no knowledge we just can't deduce anything from it etc.).

I'm quite ready to be double-killed but you should also consider at least Greenie. If she bluffs a many things will be different (I tend towards trusting her revelation though as there have been no competing claims and it would be about time for the "real spy" to step forwards if there is one).

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm quite ready to be double-killed but you should also consider at least Greenie. If she bluffs a many things will be different (I tend towards trusting her revelation though as there have been no competing claims and it would be about time for the "real spy" to step forwards if there is one).

In other words, it's a waste unless we get a rival claim.

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[Nerwen]

Well, I have to vote now, so–

++Gwath.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and for what it's worth I'll get stuck into that vote tally now. I was a bit tired last night and had things to do, but I'll get to it asap.



ETA: Heh, I just noticed that I'm at the top of Lommie's 'lynch a ghost' list. I hadn't seen that post when I made my comment about not killing me, because I....well, it was long and I just wanted to put a thought or two in so I skipped it. Anyway, my comment was unrelated. Back to work now.

[Inziladun]

Another thought about Gwath- didn't he miss the vote yesterDay? In fact, I don't remember seeing him at all, and there was apparently no explanation for his absence. Would a wolf do that at this late stage?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Another thought about Gwath- didn't he miss the vote yesterDay? In fact, I don't remember seeing him at all, and there was apparently no explanation for his absence. Would a wolf do that at this late stage?

Maybe, maybe not...I've seen it from others, it just depends on the mate.

Although I think now is a good time to double-kill and get some information. It may at least give us an idea of what we are up against, and see just how pessimistic we really should be.

Sally looks like she's having fun and being silly...not sure that's a good sign.

But I think you know where I stand. If not Mac could tell you

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Another thought about Gwath- didn't he miss the vote yesterDay? In fact, I don't remember seeing him at all, and there was apparently no explanation for his absence. Would a wolf do that at this late stage?

The woves missed a kill - this may have been a ploy though not one all mods would allow (observation not criticism nb). If it weren't a ploy this suggests a certain level of disorganisation/ absenteeism among the pack. I hope that we may have disposed of one at least but we can't bank on it.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Zil

The signs appear to point to a Mutineer Mac and a Conspirator Gwath.
With Rikae's vote for Gwath, it was a reasonable assumption for the mutineers that he would indeed be her pick for the Night as well. She'd been voicing some serious questions about Mac at the end of Day 4, and what better time to take her out than while her attention was focused on a (relative) innocent?

How does this make sense? First you say Mac is a mutineer, then you refer to him when saying Rikae's attention was focused on a relative innocent. And none of it explains why Gwath is a conspirator.

Originally Posted by Mac

And why do you say that you know it?

Because I can read your thoughts. No, not really, I don't know why, but I'm just dead certain you're evil. I have a gut-feeling and I have reasons, and of course when I'm firmly in the belief that you're a mutineer I can explain everything from that persepctive (so criticism towards me is always welcome). But really, I'm just sure of it. I will apologise greatly after the game if I was wrong here, but really, you're just so evil it hurts.

Originally Posted by Mac

Can you give me a non-vague reason why you are so certain of me?

Yes, sir. I was thinking of making a post that explains why I think you're evil all in one post, and I will make it as soon as possible, but before that I won't repeat my arguments.

Originally Posted by Boro

For someone who says she doesn't scheme, you sound capable at being able to sniff possible one's out. I wonder how?

My refrainment (sp?) from scheming does not mean that I'd be unacquainted with or uncapable of such art.

Originally Posted by Rikae

It's possible you're 11 with 6 evil, which would mean you've already lost, if the baddies can but coordinate their efforts (not to be a morbid voice from beyond the grave... in the Barrow Downs, no less... but I just thought I should point that out). Even without the cobblers - if all the wolves are alive, you have one more day. DOOM!!!! REPENT!!!

I'm optimistic enough to think we have taken down one of them already (Sally probably) but in case you're right this is not the time for lynching a ghost.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy is giving me the creeps right now. She's, well how should one say it, careless or jubilant - and confident? (if all the mutineers are alive she has reason to be jubilant and confident)

I'm far from careless, not jubilant until this game is over (and not even then if we're going to lose like it looks like) but I'm confident. I'm confident that Mac is a mutineer. And you, on the other hand, were probably a cobbler and are now trying to cause chaos by pretending to be sensible. (Suggesting a Greenie lynch and ignoring all the counter-arguments is about the most cobblerish thing you can do.)

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Jog my memory, please (it's late here in the Antipodes): what has Kath done? You suspect her, Rikae suspects her... and I can't remember a single thing she's said this game.

Nothing. A few lists. I think she voted Annu at some point. That's it. But I'm scared of her because she's always so sneaky and I have no way to catch her now that the roles are hidden! And I have come to think of quite many people in this crew as innocents, so I don't have much possible mutineers on my list except Kath and that's why I'm wary of her and looking forward to seeing what she'll say or do. And like I said, some of my suspicion is rather irrational "it must be her" stuff.

Originally Posted by Sally

She's often a Night kill, so why's she still around? Heh, I was going to point this out yesterDay but was busy until it was too late to do anything toward a Kath lynch anyway.

What kind of logic is this?? I tell y'all, Sally sure wasn't totally innocent.


edit: xed with the last four

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And this caught my eye as well looking at the posting of late: That came right after Lommy had made her cases basically just telling us that Mac is a mutineer and he should be lynched. And Inzil was also quick to name Gwath a co-conspie rather than innocent, which is an interesting decision - although I admit I haven't yet read all that happened in the past two Days and maybe there is reason for that deduction... But somehow her post jumped like being one where happy mutineers just try to make it safe and bring the victory home quite soon.

My reasoning for Gwath being a conspirator rather than a mutineer was mainly based on the fact that Rikae had voted for him yesterDay, and if he was a real baddy it would seem to be a bold move, going after Rikae when there appeared to be a good chance she was targeting him as well. Of course, the mutineers wouldn't have known who she targeted, but the fact that Gwath was so suspected by her would seem to make that too much of a risk for a Mutineer Gwath to have taken.