WW LX - Mortal Men, doomed to die

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, now that everyone's posted and there's been no counter-claim, I guess Lhuna is officially a known innocent.

Has Eönwë posted Today, after Lhuna's revealment?

EDIT: Checked it out. Eönwë has not posted toDay. So let's wait for him before declaring the situation. But for now I would still recomend concentrating the search into the four others...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Has Eönwë posted Today, after Lhuna's revealment?

Ah, now that you mention it, no he hasn't. I thought he had.

[Nogrod]

Sorry Shasta, but I will start with you once more.

There is a lot in your posting that shouts you're an innocent who is just a bit messed up with things (which would be understandable taken your limited participation so far).

Like Brinn said, there are many posts that would be either be too daring or too genuine / frustrating -looking which might point to your innocence.

But there are bad ones as well. Like Nerwen said it's improbable you didn't get the argument quite a many of us tried to bring forwards - namely that if an innocent and bluffing Sally wouldn't have acted in a way of presenting us a "baddie" to lynch when she couldn't have known Lhuna's role (why sacrifice a possible innocent if your sole task is to bluff to save the actual seer?). Just remember that at the same time you said you believed in my seerness. So your thoughts don't make sense while ours do.

No you could argue for a point that I am a false-seer who fools all of you and sarifices his mates. That would be a fair reason to defend Sally's "knowledge". But you never did say that out aloud. On the contrary you said you trusted me and just looked for different explanations. That is a bit weird. Why didn't you take that "obvious step" if you actualy believed Sally?

Also I'm a bit uncomfortable with this one with which you started the whole Day:

Originally Posted by Shasta

I hope Nogrod dreamt me. Otherwise I was probably better off not being active and getting modkilled.

Now if you were an innocent that would be just venting off some frustration - which is totally believable or at least within limits of it. But why start the Day like that as it would be known pretty soon anyway whom I dreamt of?

But if you were a wraith that might be a decent try. Had I not dreamt of you, you might do better looking such frustrated and disappointed to yourself.

Also there is this possibly a minor "slip" (if it is one) that one should never overlook - even if one should not base one's voting solely on these kinds of things. (bolding mine)

Originally Posted by Shasta

you'll still have one day to find the other two ringwraiths

Now I'm not a native-speaker and you should correct me if I'm wrong, but using the word "other" there really looks like a slip! Even if the number (two) is right the term "other" really bothers me there. Even classy hero-wolves (Roa hates me for life for nailing her that way ) have been known to make that kind of slips.

But to refrain a little, I must beg either Nerwen or Shasta to answer to following:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Is that in fact why Sally did it, Wraithta Althreduin?

How do wraiths detect rangers and be such cool with it that they pull out a campaign like Sally did to lynch them?

My problem with lynching you Shasta is that the wolves might be sneakier and better to hide. Both Rune and Nienna have been quite careful - which can be seen from the fact that one can't make points against them as easily as with you (and Eönwë I think stands somewhere between).

If you're an innocent you shouldn't leave us Shasta even if your frustrated. Come forwards and speak your mind, especially about the other unknowns.

[Nogrod]

Blah, have to go now even if I only had time for Shasta. Look at the admin. thread.

If anyone has time, please continue looking at Nienna, Rune and Eönwë as well.

And hunter, please do consider.

Hoping to be back sooner than later...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also there is this possibly a minor "slip" (if it is one) that one should never overlook - even if one should not base one's voting solely on these kinds of things. (bolding mine) Now I'm not a native-speaker and you should correct me if I'm wrong, but using the word "other" there really looks like a slip! Even if the number (two) is right the term "other" really bothers me there.

I wouldn't read too much into that, Nogrod. It probably just means "the remaining wolves".

Originally Posted by Nogrod

to refrain a little, I must beg either Nerwen or Shasta to answer to following: How do wraiths detect rangers and be such cool with it that they pull out a campaign like Sally did to lynch them?

No idea, actually– I quoted that precisely because it's such a weird suggestion and seems to come out of nowhere. It made me wonder whether it could have reflected a last minute PM from Sally: "Fine, kill Nilp then... but I've just got this hunch Lhuna's the Ranger... what if I try to get her lynched toMorrow...?" Or something along those lines.

So... I'm still waiting for Shasta's answer.

EDIT:X'd with Nogrod.

[Nienna]

Ok I have weighed the options and I believe that revealing as the Hunter will be only productive for the village.


I am the Hunter.


We now only have three unknowns and two of those are wolves.

I'll continue to look at Rune and Shasta who I have not yet analyzed but I'm not sure how much time I will have because they seem to take me forever.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ok I am at the internet place now. . .I payed for 1 hour so far, but I will stay for longer if that is needed (although it is expensive).

I will go read through the posts now.

[Lhunardawen]

Whew. Thanks, Nienna.

So we're down to three...

I haven't got much time for anything, so I'll do a quick re-read and then vote.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hmm I am in kind of a weird situation. . . I am obviously one of the main suspects today, yet I am not faced with serious accusations.

Tell me, is it even possible for us to loose now? How many unknown do we have 3? With 2 wraiths. . .surely we can kill all 3 before the wraiths can kill the rest of the village. Is there any loopholes that I have not spottet?

Since Nienna is the hunter, it leaves me with Eonwe. When I see the way he plays i just keep on thinking "wraith wraith wraith", but as I stated earlier (one of the earlier days) he seems to play in this way all the time.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Has Eönwë posted Today, after Lhuna's revealment?

No, I haven't. But since everyone else no-one has tried to counter-claim, then I suppose it means that Lhuna is the ranger, unless we have a really quiet ranger who doesn't yet want to be revealed. I would guess that the real ranger would have come out by now if Lhuna had been faking. So yes. Now it is everyone.

[Nogrod]

We seem to be agreeing all of us once more... That doesn't exactly help us as theremaining wolf / wolves can easily follow that. If we had competition they would have to choose sides - one of thembeing under pressure.

That would be better.

(Back in and about - now some more re-reading or discussing if anyone's around)

[Nogrod]

If I got it right the votes thus far are (known innocents bolded):

Brinn -> Eönwë
Lhuna -> Rune
Nerwen -> Eönwë 2
Rune -> Eönwë 3

Now Rune's vote is more than understandable given the situation but as it has been mainly known innocents voting I'd appreciate you others would come up with other cases as well as to see how the remaining wolf/wolves would react in a more competitive situation.

Also let's see if Nienna will face some competition...

Anyway, Eönwë has been argued for, Shasta has been for and against; then how about Rune?

[Nienna]

On Shasta:

Day One:

• Votes Nog I think because of picking fights – first vote for Nog (42)

Day Two: Didn't vote or post

Day Three: Didn't vote or post

Day Four:

• Thinks Sally’s probably a bored ordo and that Lhuna is definitely a wolf (311)
• Analyzes Lhuna, wonders why Nog’s going to vote Sally who is only a possible wolf when Lhuna is a probable wolf (320)
• Gives 3 scenarios all detailing why Lhuna is probably a wolf: Sally’s the seer, Sally ’s an ordo lying to protect Nog so probably has good reason for throwing Lhuna under the bus, and Sally as a wraith who is trying to protect Lhuna (321)
• Defends his three scenarios and says that Lhuna is the more probable wolf (322)
• Doesn’t understand why Nog suspects him as he hasn’t posted much, only presents an alternate story to Nog about Sally (327)
• Doesn’t think that Nog makes any sense in not suspecting Lhuna (329)
• Still thinks Sally could be an ordo trying to protect the seer (331)
• Gives one more scenario which is that a Sally–Wraith is trying to get a Lhuna–Ranger killed (335)
• Says not desperate to save Sally but to put alternate theories on the table (337)
• Doesn’t like how people were just assuming that Sally was guilty, irritated that Sally isn’t defending herself after he’s stuck his neck out for her (342)
• Because of Sally’s lack of defense he is starting to go with the majority (345)
• Didn’t vote

Day Five:

• Thinks he might have been better off being mod-killed (391)
• Thinks he deserves to be lynched (394)
• Thinks the last wraiths are Nienna and Rune (409)

This isn't looking very good for Shasta having only voted once and that for our Seer. He was also very vocal all Day Four and yet failed to vote. He actively tries to get Lhuna killed for a good portion of yesterDay. He is being really defensive and there is also the chance that he is just an unfortunate innocent who is just trying to help the village win. He said he was willing to be lynched because then we will at least know the other wolves.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eonwe

What if the real gifteds want to remain silent. What if one of Nogrod's "chosen ones" or me or Rune is a gifted and just doesn't want to reveal at such a risky time?

This "risky time" was the whole point of Lhuna and Nienna revealing. We've narrowed the lynch list down to three, and since I know (even if no one else does) that I am innocent, that leaves Rune and Eonwe. Now it's just a matter of which one goes first. Eonwe has more votes, so...

++Eonwe

[wilwarin538]

Yes, well I will vote now, I need to get some work done:

++Eonwe

Even if he isn't then we know who the other two are. Quite wonderful really. We had 4 wolves to start , and it took us a few days to get a wraith, but we're still doing quite well.

x'posted with Nog