A "Complete Silmarillion" in Spanish

[gondowe]

In the matter of the Narn e-Dant Gondolin I made a division in chapters after the publication of The Children of Húrin, translated more or less:

The birth of Tuor
Tuor slave and outlaw
The call of Ulmo
The arriving at Vinyamar
The speech of Tuor and Ulmo
Voronwë
The quest of Gondolin
The hidden pass
The arriving at Gondolin
Of Tuor in Gondolin and the birth of the New Star
The Treason of Maeglin
The Battle of Gondolin
The Flight of the exiles

In the first part, the “later Tuor”, I don’t remember to have made any change, apart for the chapters.

In the second part, that I remember have made are:

In the matter of the names, I considered the names on this web of the city The seven names Ondolindë, Gondobar, Gondolindrinbar, Gwarestrin, Garthoren, Loth, Gondolin.
The names of the Chieftains of the houses remains the same except Talagand (again I accepted from this web), I think is the only ones we have and can not invent others.
In the polemic mention of Legolas, I changed this one for Galdor that was among the exiles too. I assume this one and Glorfindel are the same as in TLOTR
I changed the word Balrogs for Balrog, omitted the metal in the serpents, goblins for orcs, etc, updating the rest to the well known.

I introduced many sentences and matters from other sources, like mention to Argon Elenwë and Idril in the ice, Gond dolen, the speech of Thorondor and Turgon from TWOH, (speech I resumed in the chapter of “Translations), the history of Enherdil and the Elessar, Anguirel as the sword of Maeglin, Glamdring as the sword of Turgon, the same fate of Maeglin and his father...

Of course there were the changes in geography as the house of Tuor in the north, Cirith Thoronath also in the north, Orfalch Echor, etc.

For the construction of the text, I think I made a good work, but it’s my proud opinion. It can be made in many different forms. But the few texts I’ve read from this web are very similar, not the same, but very similar.

Greetings.

[Findegil]

As might be suspected, I have a view questions:
- Since I never saw any sign of your chapterheadings, I assume you invented them. For what reason did you do that?

- Legolas: Did I understand you right, that you removed Legolas as the guid during the night by Galdor the Lord of the people of the Tree?

- Balrogs: Did you realy change every meention of Balrogs to a singular Balrog? Would that mean that Tuor, Ecthelion, and Rog each killed a Balrog? Even so before hand you did not mention more than one Balrog?

- May be I am just a bit slow this morning but Gond dolen did not ring any bell with me. Could you give a bit more information.

- The same is true for the speech of Thorondor and Turgon from WH. Can you give a more specific source information.

- How did you handel the escape from the battle, when you placed Tuor's house in the north of the city? Or did you change the direction of the attack to come from the south?

- How did you handel the fugetives that seperated from Tuor to take the old way of escape?

Respectfuly
Findegil

[gondowe]

Originally Posted by Findegil

As might be suspected, I have a view questions:
- Since I never saw any sign of your chapterheadings, I assume you invented them. For what reason did you do that?

Yes I invented them. After the publication of The Children of Hurin I wanted that his cousin had a similar story, and that invention (I think) is not against the story and don’t changes anything wrote by Tolkien. It’s only a heading.

Originally Posted by Findegil

- Legolas: Did I understand you right, that you removed Legolas as the guid during the night by Galdor the Lord of the people of the Tree?

Yes, if we assume as truth (in this case I think it can be possible) the matter of names and elves, there can not be there anyone called Legolas here unless he was the same as in the LOTR, and we know is not the case. I think Galdor is a good solution, he also was there (and of the same house), and is not told to have died anywhere.
And

Originally Posted by Findegil

- How did you handel the fugetives that seperated from Tuor to take the old way of escape?

To omit is not to lie, simply there were no separation because they knew that the Orfalch Echor (The way of escape) had been closed many years ago. (And it’s told in my version).

Originally Posted by Findegil

- Balrogs: Did you realy change every meention of Balrogs to a singular Balrog? Would that mean that Tuor, Ecthelion, and Rog each killed a Balrog? Even so before hand you did not mention more than one Balrog?

All we know that in later mythology there can not be hundreds of Balrogs, but I don’t think really that Tolkien considered in an hypothetically revision to exit from the beginning only seven Balrogs, (Balrogs dead when the other battles, the battle of Gondolin, and the last battle, apart for that one of Moria).
With this, yes, each one killed a balrog, (we are in the First age, everyone are more powerful, elves and Tuor!!!). I don’t remember how many balrogs are mentioned in my version but I think don’t matters, for they are few, and coherent and I think credible.

Originally Posted by Findegil

- May be I am just a bit slow this morning but Gond dolen did not ring any bell with me. Could you give a bit more information.

As for Gond Dolen“Hidden Rock” for the origin of the word Gondolin ( I introduced when they are telling Tuor things about the city and its history, as the history of the Ice), I remember is mentioned in the Appendix of elements of Quenya and sindarin at the end of The Silmarillion published. As the most part of the text was made many years ago I don’t remember if it’s mentioned in other book.

Originally Posted by Findegil

- The same is true for the speech of Thorondor and Turgon from WH. Can you give a more specific source information.

In WH when Húrin is searching the way to Gondolin, the eagles watched him, and Thorondor went to Turgon, these words I introduced in FoG, and in the chapter “Of the wanderings of Húrin”, I introduced in the other book, (as I will tell later), I resumed the speech for no repetition.

Originally Posted by Findegil

- How did you handel the escape from the battle, when you placed Tuor's house in the north of the city? Or did you change the direction of the attack to come from the south?

Since the Cirith Thoronath is now in the North, I think the house of Tuor there must be in the north. I think we can put it wherever we want, because there’s no more information about it. The characteristics of the stone of Amon Gwared, as it’s said by Tuor, makes very difficult the excavation, (even for the Noldor) and I think that as Tolkien put house south/Cristhorn south in the old version, we can put the other now, making the tunnel as short as we can.
The attack of course is from the north, but in the time of the flight (as I think is said) there were enemies around all Amon Gwared, North, West, South and East, and the escape from the north could have been the less expected by Morgoth.

Greetings

[Findegil]

Thanks for the farther explaination, I got a better picture now in most cases. But a few questions remian:

- The speech of Thorondor: Where did you include what? The report of Húrin searching entrance into the city does of course fall into Tuors time there. But did you actually insert the report of Thorondor in direct spech?

- Again the battel: When Tuor withdraws to the King's Square the place is already beset with foes from North West and East. Fittingly Tuor withdraws to the south. In the original version his house and the entrace of the secret tunnel was in that direction. Does that mean in your version Tuor made an implicit turn and to the north?

Respectfuly
Findegil

[gondowe]

Originally Posted by Findegil

- The speech of Thorondor: Where did you include what? The report of Húrin searching entrance into the city does of course fall into Tuors time there. But did you actually insert the report of Thorondor in direct spech?

According with the annals and Tale of years, I think the best or one of the best places is just before the paragraph that starts:
“Now came days when Tuor had dwelt among the Gondolindrim many years. ….” .

Originally Posted by Findegil

- Again the battel: When Tuor withdraws to the King's Square the place is already beset with foes from North West and East. Fittingly Tuor withdraws to the south. In the original version his house and the entrace of the secret tunnel was in that direction. Does that mean in your version Tuor made an implicit turn and to the north?

As for the question of the battle I was revising the section you say and I can be in a mistake but I think it can be changed simply south for north without lose sense. For example, there’s a passage telling that the enemy attacked from left and rear, -east and north- , and I changed that it was from west and south. And things like these. I was reading it and it seems me coherent.
The names of the streets can be the same because there’s no description previously.
By the way, I omitted Gar Ainion, simply Place of the Ainur, Fountains of South there are Fountains of North, etc.

Greetings

[Findegil]

Ah, that means Morgoth army comes over the hills in the north, but the first gate to fall is the south gate of the city? Yes, that is a reasonable possibility to change thinks.

Respectfully
Findegil

[gondowe]

Yes it can be possible, but not necessarily. At the time of Tuor withdraws to King's place and subsequently to the tunnel, Morgoth armies had razed Gondolin (even from the north that means the north had few enemies), and could come from wherever you want.
But the development of the battle (although very brilliant) is not so deep told, and I think we must not complicate more about this question.

Greetings