T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[A Little Green]

I think enough people have complained about yesterDay's voting, I won't do that - but I will have to wonder where that "Save Fea" -thingy came from. From what I gather, Nog asked whether anyone would be in for lynching Fea and that was enough to provoke such strong reactions.

I'm getting worried about Lari. Her change of opinion on Dury is weird. In her list post she says:

Originally Posted by Lari

Durelin: Besides not really liking the first post(though it was good) other than the feeling that the character that's like a ranger would not be a ranger but made a wolf(if I were picking) don't have anything on her.

Then:

Originally Posted by Lari

So where did this "lynch Fea" thing come into play? Not that I'm defending her, it just seems to be, well, really spontanious and not right. And I can't spell.

Then she votes Dury with this:

Originally Posted by Lari

Ok, so even after a lot of thinking and really not going off of what Rune said, my vote is:

++Durelin

I know its IC voting, but part of me thinks that putting her as a wolf would have been genius.

I find it weird that she should make voting Durelin look like something she made up all by herself and regardless of what was happening, when it looks to me like an effort to save Fea (who was in no grave danger as far as I can see).

What else? I'll be making a list later toDay and all that, but for now Lommy expressed a wish to post so I'll probably let her.

[Lariren Shadow]

So what I was thinking was this: I have nothing much else to go on. Then I refreshed the page a lot. Right before Fea had poster her vote I had pretty much made up my mind to vote for Durelin. I had no other good suspects. Durelin was the best option at the time for me, I don't know why, maybe my mind at almost 1 AM is not the best thing. Ergo I decided to vote for her. Rune then jumped in while I was refreshing the mad posting so it looked like I was listening to him.

Think I’m suspicious all you want, but I also voted Durelin on Day 1 for the same reasons. I don’t know if that makes me stupid or what.

Why would my vote be saving Fea? She had no votes by that point. Only Nog said to lynch Fea.

If anyone’s “save Fea” thing is suspicious it’s Rune's. I just wanted to know where Nog’s comment was from. Rune was the one who stated he wanted her to stay.

If everyone thinks I'm worth a look, go ahead and look.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I think enough people have complained about yesterDay's voting, I won't do that - but I will have to wonder where that "Save Fea" -thingy came from. From what I gather, Nog asked whether anyone would be in for lynching Fea and that was enough to provoke such strong reactions.

I'm getting worried about Lari. Her change of opinion on Dury is weird. In her list post she says:
Then:
Then she votes Dury with this:

I find it weird that she should make voting Durelin look like something she made up all by herself and regardless of what was happening, when it looks to me like an effort to save Fea (who was in no grave danger as far as I can see).

What else? I'll be making a list later toDay and all that, but for now Lommy expressed a wish to post so I'll probably let her.

I can setainly see why you raise your brows, but these things are difficult to analyse. Sometimes when you do not have much to go on you change your view quite easily, it does not take much more than a few comments from the right people.

As Mac point out there is a lot of possibilities to why Nogrod was killed, I am a bit sad that he does not conclude anything though. I always get a bit suspicous when people use a lot of energy on a post, but do not conclude anything. It seems wraith-ish.

Anyways I find his thoughts about Fea interesting. . . If she was set up, then who was it that did it?
It is tricky as it Fea normaly gets lynched anyway, it might be a wolves that have not played with Fea before or maybe she did it her self. OK that might be a bit twisted, but she is sertainly capable of doing stuff like that.

Allthough I would love it if it is a set-up, which would give us more stuff to analyze, I am more inclined to think that this was mostly a no-trace kill. Seeing that many people rate Nogrod highly, it is likely that the wraith saw a chance of getting rid of him and to make a no trace kill at the same time.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mac

Maybe he was uncomfortable to the wraiths. The candidates for this would be Aganzir and me.

Originally Posted by Mac

Maybe he was killed to give us something to talk about and confuse us. At least that's what I enjoy doing when I'm a wolf.

Dunno, Mac, but looks almost like you're suggesting that you are a wraith yourself...

A list, then, as I think I promised...

Sally - I have no read on her. People keep voicing casual little suspicion on her pretty much all the time, but somehow she still escapes general attention.
Fea - YesterDay's voting certainly didn't put her into a particularly good light. I don't trust her.
Lari - I'm still a bit unsettled by her yesterDay's vote, but her response to me seemed pretty genuine and made me feel better about her. Not sure, still.
Mira - Securely under my reindeer. I'm uneasy about her yesterDay's Dury vote, but that's pretty much all I remember about her. I'll look at her if I have time.
Lommie - Nothing alarming this far.
Legate - Seems okay.
Rikae - I get an overall innocentish feel about her, but I just realised I never quite considered the possibility of her being a wraith. And what on earth was that "I'm Frodo" -business yesterDay?
Agan - Strikes me as innocentish.
Gondie - No idea.
Nerwen - Feels okay.
Rune - I generally get an innocent feel out of his posts, though his vote yesterDay was certainly strange and made me more wary about him. Not convinced either way.
Mac - He's another one that puzzles me. Half the time he seems innocentish, half the time he behaves just oddly and makes strange statements such as his reaction to Rikae's joke reveal. He drives me crazy some day.
Menel - He's been slipping under everybody's radar quite efficiently, I think. Someone to be looked at, to be sure.
Brinniel - I don't get why she is suspected, to me she feels quite okay.


EDIT: x-ed with Leggings

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Brinniel - I don't get why she is suspected, to me she feels quite okay.

That's precisely why I, at least, suspect her: she always feels okay. And then just while she's feeling most okay, she kills you quietly in the Night. My experience is that the people who have played with Brinn a few times have learned that they can't trust their judgment about her at all.

*is awake, eating, reading*

Amuse me, my people!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Fea

That's precisely why I, at least, suspect her: she always feels okay. And then just while she's feeling most okay, she kills you quietly in the Night. My experience is that the people who have played with Brinn a few times have learned that they can't trust their judgment about her at all.

Tell me about that - I have never in my ww career suspected Brinn, and yet last time we played together she was the wolf genius who cheated us all. So I know what you mean - but I don't think just the fact she feels okay is enough grounds for suspicion. It's certainly enough grounds for keeping an eye on her, but not for direct suspicion - and I can't believe the fact that she can be a very sneaky wolf is the only reason why she is suspected.


EDIT: Have to add, Fea - our avvies look fabulous after each other, don't you think?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lari

Well, I do still think that you are not entirly innocent because of your trying to save yourself.

Why should an innocent person not want to save himself? Please, explain that to me.

Originally Posted by Lari

However, I pretty much voted for the same person two days in a row.

And both times with shady reasoning.

Originally Posted by Lari

As for the rest: are we sure that Nog's death wasn't in some way a way to implicate Fea? Can we really rule out a possible innocent Fea and really good wolves/wraiths? It would be kind of smart of them too. They wouldn't get blamed for killing off a very dangerous innocent, the village would just lynch her and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Lari

Now if we were to try to lynch Fea toDay, I'd be more for it than anyone else

How do those two statements go together? Making a point that Fea could have been set up, and then stating that you'd like to lynch her more than anybody else?

(unless maybe Mac or Rikae because, well, Mac has been sort of saved twice now and some of Rikae's posts are making me wonder).

Again, why does the fact that I escaped narrowly twice make me more suspicious?

Originally Posted by Lari

If anyone’s “save Fea” thing is suspicious it’s Rune's.

At least he admitted it.

Originally Posted by Rune

As Mac point out there is a lot of possibilities to why Nogrod was killed, I am a bit sad that he does not conclude anything though. I always get a bit suspicous when people use a lot of energy on a post, but do not conclude anything. It seems wraith-ish.

Well, my conclusions are my points about Agan and Fea. It's not really possible to say which possibility is the real one yet, but once we have one wraith, we might be able to say more. Guess I should have added that.

Originally Posted by Lily

Dunno, Mac, but looks almost like you're suggesting that you are a wraith yourself...

I never understood it and still don't: why is it suspicious to make statements of the kind "if I was a wolf"?

Also, I might slip once as a wolf, but not three or four times. Seriously. And if I did, I'd be acting much more nervous by now.

[Thinlómien]

I think Rune's and Fea's "explanations" look rather innocent.

I don't think Rune is very suspicious at any rate, if he and Fea were fellows, would he really defend her so openly? I doubt it. Ok, the possibility remains that he was trying to buddy up innocent Fea or prepared to take her down with him in case he's going to die, but why would he do something so eyebrow-raising to get such a small and unsure gain? It does not make sense and therefore the option that seems reasonable to me is that he's innocent and simply wants to keep Fea around. (Of course, he could be a wraith who just wants to keep Fea around... but I doubt a wraith would be so reckless.) Besides, like I've said before, his aggressiveness on Day1 looks rather innocent. I would not be worried about him.

As for Fea... a tougher nut to crack. But what Mac says about her makes sense. I would be willing to give her the benefit of doubt (for toDay at least). I think what Mac says as for her being a wraith solidifies my view of her as a non-wraith, but I'm not convinced of his reasoning why she's not Ferny. Who says the wraiths know Ferny's identity?

But Lari and Mira, they are not as easily exonerated. I would not be surprised at all if one of them voted Durelin yesterDay just to cast an easy vote, not fully comprehending the situation, or making a vote people could excuse for them by saying they were saving their RL friend. Lari seems more suspicious to me of these since like it has been pointed out, her explanations don't quite hold water...

Okay, now I will write a post commenting other stuff, hopefully discussing something else than the Dury-wagon...

[Rikae]

I had a long post ready to go and the browser froze.

Originally Posted by Lari

are we sure that Nog's death wasn't in some way a way to implicate Fea? Can we really rule out a possible innocent Fea and really good wolves/wraiths?

No.

Fea implicated herself. They would have had to be really, really good wraiths to force Fea to start a crazy bandwagon minutes before deadline. That has nothing to do with Nog's death.

Lari's pretty high on my list of suspects now.

As I thought, I don't buy Fea's explanations at all. I find it especially bizarre that she cites fear of being lynched as a reason. No one was talking about lynching her until after she made her strange attack on Dury, and even then, there was really no movement to lynch her. She's latching onto Rune's misguided impression here to try to explain herself, I guess. Won't work.
As for protecting Mac, since when was she so worried about him - worried enough to incriminate herself and those who followed her and lynch Dury with little (rather, no) reason? Besides, she claims she didn't expect anyone to follow her vote, so how was she saving herself or Mac anyway?

Now, I understand voting for a non-participant because you don't want to lynch the big names whose heads are on the block. I've done that myself. Fea, however, actively furthered the impression there was merit in Nog's accusations, and behaved as though starting a bandwagon was her goal. Her actions were blatently cobblerish (or suicidal-wolfish).

It's time I put my money where my mouth is. I'm rarely so sure of someone's guilt, and I don't want to take a chance on lynching another innocent toDay when a baddie has basically turned herself in.
If it were someone other than Fea, I'd say keep her around for now as a "known cobbler" and go after her partners in crime. However, I've seen how Fea can mislead a village, and I don't feel like standing around and witnessing another example of it.

++Fea

And now I'll focus on other people. Talking only about Fea, after all, would waste the Day.

[Lariren Shadow]

Mac: Two options I see: Fea is innocent and set up by the wolves/wraiths to be lynched by us. Possiblity. Second option she is guilty, decided that to throw suspicion away from other wolves/wraiths she should sacrifice herself and be lynched.

Which is more probable with Fea? I still have very little to go on with the posts, I still need to re-read things through, but is it always so bad to suspect Fea of anything?

Will my admitting that my vote was on shaky grounds help? Because it was soley silly suspicions that were nothing more than how I would have tried to cast roles/she kept posting IC while the rest of us had stopped. Does that help now?

Now here's a question I have, and not sure if anyone has the answer(or if Kitanna could answer it) but here it is:

Let's say this happened last night: the wolves decided to kill Fea to try to frame more innocents/they wanted to. The Ranger was protecting her that Night, so she couldn't be killed. Did the wolves/wraiths then get another kill? Could they have chosen Nog as a way to still get Fea? Especially if Nog would have been implicated in her death. Because he would certainly been the best canidate for lynching if the deaths were reversed.