Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But what on Arda does Eomer mean by saying that he's "not killing an innocent"? Should that be counted as a slip of the angle he's looking the game from? Gah, I don't know. All the reasons would state that he's true (the possibility of the real hunter to pull his bluff, Brinn not changing a gifted to a wolf... ) but I just don't like that sentence. It's not something innocents say.

What's the problem, Nogrod? I speak of the rules of the game regarding the Hunter. If I am lynched I kill whoever I choose to hunt, wolf or innocent. If I am attacked by wolves in the night, I can kill only a wolf. With this rule, I absolutely refuse to be lynched (hence my reveal when there was a danger of this).

You seem to be doing a lot to cause confusion.

[Rikae]

I was just wondering: how did we end up with the field narrowed to Shasta and Mith?


Nogrod, in post #356, says he still thinks Mith may be a wolf for avoiding talking about Nerwen, and Durelin may have been dropping hints about Shasta being a wolf.


In the very next post, Kitanna says: “But what about Shasta and Mith as her voting candidates for yesterday's vote? Could she have voted for one of them and found one of them a wolf? If that's the case she might have dreamt of Mith. Or those were two she wanted to dream of and never got the chance. If that's the case maybe it put the hackers on edge that someone was on to them.”


#359, Nogrod says he's wishing to lynch Mith.


#360, Form says not to ignore Mith because of her near brush with death.


#361, Kitanna inclined to think Durelin dreamed of a Mith-wolf, or had plans to dream of her or a Shasta-wolf, making them nervous.


#362 – Eomer's theory that the wolves would have killed him if Shasta was not a wolf. (Unfortunately, most wolves would suspect a possible trap by a hunter, so I don't think we can glean much from this)


#366 Kitanna votes for Mith and thinks Shasta is a wolf, too.


#367 Agan thinks Shasta looks innocent, Mith looks suspicious.


#368 Boro thinks Kitanna may be corredt and Mith or Shasta a wolf.


#371 Eomer accuses Mith of trying to buy Shasta another day.


#374 Boro agrees with Eomer, thinks one of the two is the spammer & the other a hacker.


#375 Eomer: “Shasta and Mith both seem like excellent lynching targets toDay.” Votes for Shasta.


#377 Boro says “Boro's got lots of time on his off day and would like to keep this an active day, and not resign ourselves to "Well Shasta or Mith will get it today, here's my vote, bye."


Nice enough, but Boro has played a big role in narrowing it to Shasta and Mith, and he's rather reinforcing the idea by pronouncing it so like this, too.


At any rate, I can't shake the feeling that something is fishy here, and going over the day's events has me feeling uneasy about Kitanna – or possibly Nogrod, who might have been on the chopping block if these two hadn't been the front runners. Also, let's not discount the possibility Eomer is actually the spammer! The real hunter may be lying low because being lynched, even while taking spammer-Eomer along, wouldn't help the village nearly as much as being wolf-killed.


Just a few thoughts.

[Boromir88]

I wasn't saying that he wasn't a hunter for sure, I was just looking at things from a different angle. Anyway, you'll see that I soon rejected the theory in any case.~Eonwe

It's been noted, and just so everyone understands my last three posts have been to keep a discussion fueled for today, and consider some things for down the road. I still have the complete intention of voting for either Shasta or Mith today. (So, yes Mith I'm still pretty keen on seeing you dead.) I just don't know if you're a wolf, or a spammer trying to protect who you think is a wolf.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Originally Posted by Form
*irritated*
You're not dead yet, you know... Nilp's still the front-runner.
Of course, if you don't die, we won't know for sure if you are hunter or not... and the wolves might not kill you tonight.

Good call, Nogrod, I don't think it looks good either.
For some reason, I can't turn the italics off...

Anyway, as for my hunch, Boro, there was no logical reason behind it, hence the word "hunch". And no, Form, I'm not going to retract it as mistaken, since you not only are still giving me a bad feeling, you are now starting to look more definitely evil.

Now Mith, Shasta and I are all wolves together now, because I don't like to see our options and discussion narrowed down without analyzing exactly how this is happening?
A wolf who thinks you look "too innocent"? Why wouldn't I just kill you by night, then, instead of opening myself to criticism by mentioning a mere hunch about you?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Now Mith, Shasta and I are all wolves together now, because I don't like to see our options and discussion narrowed down without analyzing exactly how this is happening?

A wolf who thinks you look "too innocent"? Why wouldn't I just kill you by night, then, instead of opening myself to criticism by mentioning a mere hunch about you?

That's easy enough to answer... yesterday you thought I looked good and suspicious and getting me lynched (or pretending to want that) would make you look good and normal. Today, maybe, you think I look too innocent, and harping on about me will do the lupine cause no good.

Your reply here seems quite charged, and while that can certainly come from someone who's innocent, it certainly isn't encouraging me and I'm still inclined to think you lupine, though I'll grant that you, Mith, and Shasta seems a very unlikely combination.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

but he also got hyperactive the very same Day the new wolf had been appointed

I sold my car that Night, Nogrod, so I have nothing better to do now than post. I said that already.

Edit: X'd with Boro

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I sold my car that Night, Nogrod, so I have nothing better to do now than post.

Sorry, but I'm just unable to see the connection... Long live the cultural differences!

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

That's easy enough to answer... yesterday you thought I looked good and suspicious and getting me lynched (or pretending to want that) would make you look good and normal. Today, maybe, you think I look too innocent, and harping on about me will do the lupine cause no good.

Eh? No one else found you suspicious yesterDay - if I thought you were doing something obviously suspicious, I would have pointed it out, even in the limited time I had - but I merely had a bad feeling. It was pretty obvious you weren't going to be lynched.
And I still find you suspicious toDay. I was just waiting to see if my suspicions would be confirmed by your behavior, and... guess what?

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Your reply here seems quite charged, and while that can certainly come from someone who's innocent, it certainly isn't encouraging me and I'm still inclined to think you lupine, though I'll grant that you, Mith, and Shasta seems a very unlikely combination.

That would be because I think I'm onto a wolf too late in the day to do much about it, and expect that two ordos are being framed. *sigh*

EDIT: X'd with everything since the post I quoted.

[Aganzir]

Kit - Mith
Eomer - Shasta
Mith - Shasta
Eönwë - Mith

Originally Posted by Nog

she starts to look like Roa in good old times steering the votes at the crucial hours when her evilness so thought fit.

I'm really flattered to be compared to Roa. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Nog

First of all you know you don't need to act on that promise as Mith is a wolf. So interesting that toDay you think you'd not be so keen to lynch Mith...

Starting to sound a bit desperate, are you, Nog? Either you or Mith is a wolf, yesterday I thought Mith, today you.

Anyway, I am incredibly indecided right now. I have more candidates than there are wolves.

edit: xed since Form

[Rikae]

Oh well.

++Formendacil

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I have more candidates than there are wolves.

Me too...

[Nogrod]

Okay then - and voting early!

But I'll stick to this toDay.

++ Mith.

Not only what has been said about Dury - Mith and Nerwen - Mith connections but also the way she acted toDay - and the Days before.

Also she didn't say she's innocent which she normally does when innocent but felt like a resignated wolf.

[Boromir88]

Rikae I won't speak for anyone else, but the reason I've narrowed my top down to Shasta and Mith, is because of Durelin's death.

Durelin ended yesterday by saying she would vote for either Shasta or Mith, and she ended up going with Mith. Now maybe the wolves weren't anticipating Durelin being the seer, and they had a stroke of luck. But, if they did think someone was onto them (especially if it was the seer) I think they'd silence that person fast. It doesn't look like Durelin dreamed of a wolf, but I agree with Kitanna's theory that if the wolves thought Durelin was the seer and either Mith or Shasta was a wolf, they wanted to get to Durelin before she found out for sure.

Not only that, but this Shasta-Eomer back and forth has been too distracting. I've been suspicious of Mith because I've found at least two of her votes odd - plus her reasoning suspicious (Day 1 for sally and yesterday for Nogrod). And at least for me, her death would reveal more about sally, Kitanna, and Nogrod.

Edit: crossed with everything since Rikae's post 442

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I speak of the rules of the game regarding the Hunter. If I am lynched I kill whoever I choose to hunt, wolf or innocent. If I am attacked by wolves in the night, I can kill only a wolf.

Sorry. My bad. I had no idea about that kind of new version of the hunter... Maybe I should have followed the discussions a bit more closely...

But anyway. Brinn's explanation has already convinced me that I will consider voting for you only if someone comes to claim the role of hunter as well.