Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

... but the seer should remember that she can be killed also for other reasons than being suspected the seer, and therefore it should be more important that she left sufficient hints for the villagers to find after her passing.

That is true - after all the wolves may have picked her because she had been relatively quiet, hadn't drawn suspicion, and didn't incriminate them.... this theory works for me ... but then I would say that wouldn't I? Want to go home soon, so to try and cheer Nogrod up after my cruelty (though why I should spare the feelings of my would be executioner I don't know), I will probably vote for Shasta for self preservation.

[Rikae]

Shastanalysis:

Day 1:

Post #27:
IC. “Nerwen is mostly harmless.... some of us aren't harmless at all.”

Now, it's a minor thing, but somehow the latter addition, knowing Nerwen was a wolf, seems just slightly more likely to come from someone who knew this.

Day 2:

Post #142
IC, expresses confusion about ranger preventing kill and McCaber being modfired.

Now, again, maybe I'm just looking through wolf-colored glasses here, but what better way to distance himself from the night's events?

Post #144
“Things that caught my eye”. Doesn't see a wolf in the “Agan/Form/Nilp brawl”. Nilp is the “odd one out”, something “off” in THE Ka's attitude. Seems to be expressing mild suspicion towards a lot of people: Formendacil, Nilp, THE Ka, Sally, Boromir, Kath, Eonwe, Elf-Warrior, Eomer... the questioning of Eomer's suspicion of Mith looks fairly reasonable. Insinuates Eonwe lied about his vote (with little justification I can see, as I pointed out later). Finds Eomer and Eonwe most suspicious, Mith and Nerwen not suspicious, Nogrod “not so suspicious”.

As a wolf would he actually list Nerwen as “not suspicious”? I'm not sure...

Post #193
Translates chatspeak. Discusses possibility of wolf-on-wolf voting with Nilp and Kitanna. Says he will look to see who was conspicuous enough to attract the attention of the wolves and the ranger.

Feels helpful and rather innocent here.

#198
Vote count. Points out it's the second day in a row EW voted without explanation.

#200
“I decided to do something different, and leave the wolves and Ranger”

#205
Wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone, he and Eomer are most suspicious, EW “isn't being actively unhelpful” and might just be having issues.

Two posts ago he was pointing out EW's suspicious behavior... hmm.

#208
Kath won't be modfired if she doesn't want to vote toDay.

#209
Translates Nerwen.

#214
Votes for Eonwe

Day 3

#250
“Why Kath? She hasn't even gotten to play yet!”
Sounds innocent enough, actually. I've noticed Shasta is one of the first to post most days – maybe because of his time zone...? And it might make him seem unduly prominent or focused on the nightly events. *takes off wolf-colored glasses*

#253
Was just thinking he'd like to hear more from Durelin (after she posts) will go make himself useful.

#266
To Eomer: “Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.”

Interesting, considering his original responses to EW (“oh dear” and pointing out the two unexplained votes).

#269
Argues with Eomer over the “asking the village to lynch him” thing re: EW.

Not sure what to make of this. It seems he's deliberately misinterpreting, sort of.

#271
More argument with Eomer. Annoyed at kill and lynch because both were people who couldn't play because of RL issues.

This sounds like the Shasta I know from other games, and I can understand where he's coming from on this, I suppose. He could say the same thing as a wolf, though, too. Especially if – were he the new wolf, might he not have had a say in the nightly kill? Nah, probably unlikely.

#275
More arguing with Eomer. I would say that a wolf wouldn't be this passionate and attention-grabbing, if I hadn't done exactly that as a wolf myself. In fact, the lynching of innocents tends to look even more offensively stupid to wolves, so it's easy to take the “moral high ground” like this.

#277
To Eomer: “isn't it a common wolf tactic to redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you? :P”

#280
Would suspect Eomer even more if Eomer were quiet. EW seemed to be having RL issues..,, etc, etc,'

Rereading this argument is giving me a headache. No comment.

#283
Another episode of the Shasta/Eomer show. *yawn* Wouldn't say “loads” of people suspected EW. What Eomer says he would do as a wolf doesn't matter, because there isn't proof.

#304
Why he's suspicious of Eomer and not me. Sold his car during night 3, so might as well stay home and post. Likes Mith's point on Nogrod. Banter.

The car thing makes me feel better about him.

#308
Answers Eomer

#319
Sarcastic remark about voting me for being unhelpful.

#323
Votes for Eomer

Conclusion:
He looks less wolfish than he did before. 6 out of 10 on the wolvery scale, I say.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Now, again, maybe I'm just looking through wolf-colored glasses here, but what better way to distance himself from the night's events?

[...]

*takes off wolf-colored glasses*

Are you also not just distancing yourself from wolfishness by saying that you are wearing "wolf-colored glasses" (coloured for me, obviously). Maybe those "wolf-colored glasses" of yours are actually how you see at night when you kill... (lol, a wolf in sunglasses). Anyway, this seems slightly suspicious to me, using a tactic you criticise yourself.

Or maybe I'm just looking at this through wolf-coloured glasses.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Are you also not just distancing yourself from wolfishness by saying that you are wearing "wolf-colored glasses"

When I'm a wolf, I often wear wolf-coloured glasses, too.

Though I do it also when I'm innocent and am making a case against someone I suspect heavily.

[Mithalwen]

Oh so now we are more or less at the point where everyone suspects everyone else ..... don't forget there are just 3 wolves and a cobbler (unless it was the cobbler who was "turned") in this village. Guess we should be grateful there are no multiple lynches .... well time for me to go and since Shasta and I are neck and neck... an unfortunate turn of phrase I know...

++Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Everyone seems to think I'm trying to push my interpretation of Durelin's dreams onto the village when I'm not. I never said "this and this is who she dreamed of, and here's why"; I just made guesses. So did about three other people. So I don't understand why this fact is the basis of everyone suspecting me!

Really, you try to help people...

Not going to vote just yet, but my vote will probably be a self-preservation vote for Mith.

[Nogrod]

I thought of doing something productive but then never managed it. Well, there's two hours still to go.

Just to mention this though.

I agree with Aganzir that if Shasta is a wolf he's the one turned into a wolf after Nerwen had to go. That would mean that we have our two original wolves somewhere else. I think Mith is one of them, I'm indeed pretty positive about it and confirmed because of her way of posting toDay.

So it would leave us one more original wolf - and possibly the turned wolf if Shasta isn't the one. The Eomer - Shasta row and them being alive still would strongly suggest Shasta is the one but Agan is right in pressing we shouldn't take that for granted.

I see Boro's point on the Ka and still feel puzzled about Kitanna (I need to be right even once in a game!).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Even if Durelin did in fact not dream of Kitanna (which I'll concede since everybody seems to be against that), I still think it's very possible she dreamt of Nogrod. Or has someone refuted that as well?

Edit: X'd with Eonwe.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick pop-in before I go to post properly.

No, I don't think Brinn would turn a gifted into a wolf; it just wouldn't be fair. Unless she turned the cobbler, and I can almost guarantee that that wouldn't happen; it'd just be silly. I'm guessing she picked randomly from the remaining ordos. I could be wrong, but I'm probably not.



Anyway, I see a Mith wagon (well, maybe the start of one anyway), and since I actually got to read everything toDay (well, you know what I mean by everything) I'm okay with it. It's just that yesterDay I hadn't looked at Mith and couldn't vote her in good conscience without looking at everything first (that and it seemed at the time that it was a mighty sudden bandwagon....erm, whoops) so I voted for Nilp since he was....well, so Nilp.



All right, off into the land of posts. Be back soon as I can dearies.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

(If I get killed in the night for this, Agan, I'm coming after you in the next game

I fail to see why you should be killed for it.

It's funny that yesterday Mith looked much more suspicious than Nogrod and today it's vice versa.

I wonder if Kitanna could be the cobbler. That would explain her being both suspicious and innocent in several people's opinion, and going after Nerwen.

edit: xed with Eönwë. Sometimes the most obvious things are the best wolf covers, so I don't consider that an argument for you.

[Aganzir]

If Shasta has been a wolf from the beginning, I volunteer to be cooked and promise to bring also salt and pepper with me.

I doubt he is a wolf even now. He looks innocent, and the most suspicious thing I could see was the "why wasn't Eomer killed" thing I have talked about.

No one has seemingly considered that the wolves left Eomer alive because in addition to not being sure if he was hunting one of them, then they could also frame innocent Shasta?

I'd rather not vote him today.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

There are some I would much rather have voted.

Who be those?

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I miss him already.

I don't. It was very nasty of him to be so suspicious.

edit: xed with Eönwë

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It was very nasty of him to be so suspicious.

That's true, but it's always sad to see WW threads quieten down when loud innocents are gone.

[Eönwë]

So, the scores are:

Mith-2
Shasta-1

...I think

[Aganzir]

*whistles casually*

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Who be those?

[Eönwë]

And how come Eomer is not voting Mithalwen?

He kept on saying how suspicious he was of her on the first two days, but then on the next two he votes Nilp and today he votes Shasta, specifically avoiding voting Mith. Is he our innocent-turned-wolf?

[Eönwë]

My last post makes me even more suspicious of a certain person, so without further ado, I will vote:

++Mithalwen

I don't know how much time I can be on for (with my messed up internet), so I will vote now. Not that that means I won't post if I can.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

And how come Eomer is not voting Mithalwen?

He kept on saying how suspicious he was of her on the first two days, but then on the next two he votes Nilp and today he votes Shasta, specifically avoiding voting Mith. Is he our innocent-turned-wolf?

A good point. And if that is the case there might be a real danger for us for if he was indeed the hunter before and was then turned a wolf there would be no real hunter to come forwards and reveal his treachery.

I don't know how Brinn made the choice of the new wolf or would she allow the village to lose a gifted for the wolves to get one for their pack though... So maybe that's not the case... *crosses fingers*

EDIT: X'd with Shasta, Eönwë & Agan

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Also:

Originally Posted by Rikae

I've noticed Shasta is one of the first to post most days – maybe because of his time zone...?

My timezone is Central. That means Brinn's deadlines are 6:00 pm for me; it's very easy for me to be during that time unless my mom needs the computer for something (I can't wait to be back in college!).

Edit: X'd with Eonwe. I know both Eomer and Mith voted for me.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

That's true, but it's always sad to see WW threads quieten down when loud innocents are gone.

Especially when you're a wolf. Loud innocents attract attention to themselves and away from you, after all...

To clarify, "wolf-colored glasses" mean glasses that make what I'm looking at look wolvish, not glasses that I wear because I am a wolf. Kind of like "rose-colored glasses" mean everything else looks rose-colored, not that I am rose-colored. Double .

I don't like the way people have narrowed the field to Shasta and Mith, and I, for one, am unlikely to vote for either of them. So there.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Especially when you're a wolf. Loud innocents attract attention to themselves and away from you, after all...

But that's not the right sort of frown.

Originally Posted by Rikae

To clarify, "wolf-colored glasses" mean glasses that make what I'm looking at look wolvish, not glasses that I wear because I am a wolf. Kind of like "rose-colored glasses" mean everything else looks rose-colored, not that I am rose-colored.

I know that. I was just making a point.