Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Isabellkya]

Roa, I don't see how that is considered correcting yourself. When it seems to be, it is being corrected with most likely incorrect information. I still say there are only three wolves right now - not four.
In response to why I voted you - the first day, as I said it was part random/suspicion. Out of the people whom stuck out most in my head, I felt comfortable in voting for you. I do believe I answered this question pages and pages ago, when Brin had wondered about it.
The second day - it was either between you or phantom, you'd both been arguing against each other for two Days in a row. I didn't think it wise to let it alone and see if you'd work it out between yourselves. It was too much distraction for the villag

Ohkay.. this is mostly based upon yesterDay.

Greenie: I think she innocentish, but I wouldn't be surprised if she was a wolf.

Shasta: I would like to think him innocent, as he sometimes makes good points; though he does seem to have quite a number of joking/banter posts. Though again, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a furry creature whispering in his ear at night.

Lommy: Furry. She makes good points, however she did quite the waffling act yesterDay. It seemed she went from Rikae's side to the phantom/Diamond side.. slowly and reluctantly throughout the course of the Day. It gave me the feel of someone abandoning a fool-sinking ship, but trying to keep their dignity along with it.

Nilp: He has said some odd things, and until he pretty much revealed himself as having fur; I wouldn't know what to say.

Eonwe: In the I don't know realm.

Kath: Again, in the I don't know realm.

Sally: She seems innocent enough to me, though there is quite a lot of silliness. I think there is more of that, than there are of actual suspicions and directly related ww discussion.

Rikae: She is up to causing as much trouble as she can, which is fun to watch.

phantom: I find his actions suspicious. How he decides to pull his strings is annoying.

Lhuna: Realm of I am not sure.

Durelin: I would like to think innocent.

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Brin: I think she innocent with maybe a wolf gene lying dormant.

Legate: I think he is a mutated wolf-innocent. Half his body is wolf, the other is villager. He has some good points, though him trying to "save" Ag in the beginning still bothers me. Though he did have some good comments yesterDay.

Lalaith: Up until the later end of yesterDay, it seemed she was asking Roa a whole lot of questions concerning what the EW would do. The EW seemed to be more of the focus, rather than anything else. Though I do feel a bit better about her toDay.

Morm: He does some odd things. I think innocent, but if turned out furry - I wouldn't be surprised.

Celuien: No idea.

Gwath: His actions can be questionable at times, but I think his intentions are there. Whether good or not, I'm leaning towards innocent.

McCaber: His voting pattern is highly questionable. Other than that, meh.


Granted, that my initial read-through of pages 20-24, I'd been clouded with the knowledge of knowing about the reveals and Cailin's wolfness.


X'd since Lalaith's #1174.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Oh, yeah. I've always had an odd feeling about her (since the beginning of this game).

edit: when you post here, you alwayd x. So why bother write who with? You'll only miss the next 10 posts.

[Lalaith]

phantom: I find his actions suspicious

Izzy: Rikae says phantom is the GW. Phantom says he is the GW. Are you saying you think he might not be?

[Roa_Aoife]

Last minute check in. I'll have to be leaving shortly.

Durelin, I share the sentiments about lists and phantom.

Originally Posted by Lommy

We can't all be Roas when it comes to analysing...

That gave me warm fuzzies.

Originally Posted by Lommy

As for Rikae, I think she's saying she's the EW to make us think that she's actually a wolf and lynch her. I bow low before her if she's really a wolf (who is trple or four-fold bluffing?), because that would be quite genious.

I've been thinking she was pressing that rather hard as well.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Surely that's not that bad? It simply means it's easier for us to guess whom she has picked.

Depends on how long that list is- she can only turn so many.


Morm is bugging me, alot. (Not in an annoying manner, but more in a "something's up" manner.) He keeps saying that certain people are suspicious, and yet never says why (not only Lommy). It makes me wonder if he's avoiding giving his reasons so that he can avoid committing to an opinion. Or perhaps he's not very good at manufacturing suspicion, and so is avoiding trying. Stop acting so sneaky and give a reason, morm.

Originally Posted by Lal

Here's why Roa worries me:

I know her to be an extremely strong and loyal team player. When I was the Seer and was in trouble, in the Werepenguins game, she stood over me like an anxious Valkyrie. Her performance yesterday, after Rikae ran off, reminded a bit of that. She stayed around, she seemed to be joining the debate, but basically I got the feeling she was trying to prove that Rikae was telling the truth. Like a loyal press secretary, left in the lurch by her CEO at an Enron press conference.

I don't know, maybe I was imagining it, but that's what it felt like.

Firstly, thank you for the wonderful comparison to a Valkyrie. It really made my day. Secondly, as I responded to Izzie, I was one of the first people to doubt Rikae. I never suggested we should believe her. It was more that I was going against phantom than for Rikae. Because I didn't trust him. Even now, I'm really dragging my feet about him. Nilp is obviously evil. Phantom seems quite confidant in his position. Just something about his behavior irks me. I didn't trust Rikae, but I didn't trust phantom more.

Originally Posted by Celuien

And also suspicious for initially trusting evil-Rikae's GW impersonation yesterday.

Is anyone even really reading my posts from yesterDay? I NEVER put my trust in Rikae. I was one of the first to question her. Yes, I voted Legate, and I clearly explained why, which had nothing to do with trusting Rikae, but everything to do with testing her. Who started this idea?

Brin, I was trying to come up with all of the possibilities, because too many people were just making assumptions. I was also expressing doubt in a way that might coax her into an answer. Since no onne had yet contradicted her, I had very little reason to doubt, but a lot of reason to wonder and be confused. Questions that appear open garner more with more info than direct "I don't trust you" statements. And I was also driven by the fact that phantom, whom I had been suspicious of since Day 1, was dead set against her, with what looked to me to be the flimsy reasoning of a supposed connection that we couldn't be sure existed.

Eonwe, just ignore Rikae. She's trying to confuse/bait us.

Isabelkya: Yet you only discussed phantom on both Day 1 and 2. And yes, I can start out unconvinced of something before I am convinced. I certainly can't be convinced right away, that would be silly. But what exactly was I convinced about, and can you show me where? Or are you just going along with general and flawed consensus that I trusted Rikae... well, ever?

Lal: Someone we clearly know is evil is saying something about someone else, and you believe her?

Okay back to the classroom!

[Isabellkya]

++Nilp

Lalaith - he has lied or atleast bent the truth on a number of matters. Do I trust in everything he says 100%? No. Do I believe he has atleast some good intentions, and that there may be truth in what he says - sometimes, yes. He did prove to be atleast a bit trust worthy with giving us Cailin and Nilp (whom we shall see.)



X'd with Roa.

[A Little Green]

One quick thing that caught my attention. Izzie's analysis was slightly eyebrow-raising. It was pretty much go-with-the-flow -stuff (or else she just thinks about nearly everything in the same way with most of the village, but her phrasing seemed fishy), with a lot of those "Looks innocent, but I wouldn't be surprised if furry" -comments. Overall, the post looked somehow too forced to be genuine.

Not much else to say... I don't think I'll post any more toDay, so good Night dearies and I hope to see you toMorrow. Sweet dreams.


EDIT: x-ed with Izzie

[Eönwë]

The DWII goes on and on
On from the Day when it began...

Lommy, the only reason I said you were suspicious is that you keep jumping at anyone who is suspicious of you. Just slightly over-fast reactions for an ordo.
But I won't accuse you of being an evil, furry, surreptitiouss slave of the EW.

Thats all I can post for now, so goodnight!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Lommy, the only reason I said you were suspicious is that you keep jumping at anyone who is suspicious of you. Just slightly over-fast reactions for an ordo.
But I won't accuse you of being an evil, furry, surreptitiouss slave of the EW.

Haha, sweet mummy's boy.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I think Nilp was an original wolf (trusted lieutenant, eh?) and Cailin a newer wolf. So I think our remaining wolves are one original and one new.

Like Roa said, don't trust Rikae's words! But my initial thought, too, was that he was an original wolf - mostly just because he strikes me as a person someone would make an original wolf (bad reasoning, I know) and also because I don't think his playing style has changed a bit in the course of the game. Do you have any special reason to think that Cailín was a newer wolf? For I think she could have been either.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

edit: when you post here, you alwayd x. So why bother write who with? You'll only miss the next 10 posts.

Mostly it's a useless habit, but if everybody keeps doing it, no one has to speculate whether x saw y's post before posting z. It can be quite handy at times - both for others and the poster him/herself.

When Roa came and talked most sense I've heard in ages in this village, I had an impulse to throw myself to her feet and worship her, so to speak (or "so to exaggerate" - anyway, you know what I mean ). I so much hope Roa is not evil because I consider myself rather invalid to doubt her (maybe question her reasoning at times, but that's all). I know, it's veery bad.

Nice sig, Roa.


edit: xed with Durelin

[Brinniel]

I've noticed two people haven't voted yet: Eonwe and Legate.

I don't where the latter is, but c'mon Eonwe...I don't think you've ever voted. I know it's already quite obvious who's getting lynched, but still I think people should always vote.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Shasta: I would like to think him innocent, as he sometimes makes good points; though he does seem to have quite a number of joking/banter posts. Though again, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a furry creature whispering in his ear at night.

Lommy: Furry. She makes good points, however she did quite the waffling act yesterDay. It seemed she went from Rikae's side to the phantom/Diamond side.. slowly and reluctantly throughout the course of the Day. It gave me the feel of someone abandoning a fool-sinking ship, but trying to keep their dignity along with it.

Roa: Furry. She makes good points, but she tends to contradict herself a bit, or atleast hold double standards. In the span of six posts yesterDay, she went from 'not convinced' to 'convinced'. She seemed to expect others to consider all of the possiblities, yet did not seem to do the same herself.

Lalaith: Up until the later end of yesterDay, it seemed she was asking Roa a whole lot of questions concerning what the EW would do. The EW seemed to be more of the focus, rather than anything else. Though I do feel a bit better about her toDay.

Morm: He does some odd things. I think innocent, but if turned out furry - I wouldn't be surprised.

I hope I'm not stating the obvious too much.

These are the people Isabellkya was most suspicious of yesterDay, according to her suspicion-list. It is possible that the wolves saw something here they didn't like, and so silenced Isabellkya. It is equally possible that they intended to frame someone Isabellkya found suspicious by killing her.

I'll post again in the morning before I go to work; I haven't the slightest idea how I'll vote yet. The past couple of days have drained all my independent thoughts and suspicions, and made me dependent on the instructions of wizards and gifteds and things. I'm going to have to relearn the art of actually suspecting people.