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mormegil · 12-03-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Morm, the points I mentioned were:

You and Green both agreed that Lommy Looked suspicious.

You and Green both suspected me based on my in-game sarcastic jokes.

So if two people have similar suspects for similar reasons and one turns out to be a wolf the other is by defualt? Specious at best Menel.

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Originally Posted by Kuru

As a veteran, I know that people can say things off the cuff that are out of the control of the other wolves and land themselves and others in hot water.

And there are other reasons to be suspicious of you besides just that.

You've been acting a bit odd the whole time and your vote yesterday is questionable in a number of ways.

Fair point but what, I ask was odd about my vote yesterday? I didn't have a lot of time and voted with my gut on somebody who I suspected. I don't follow the odd the whole time concept and I could and would say the same for you and Fea...the only person I play with a lot and isn't acting very different is Lommy which is the one saving grace for her in me not thinking she as guilty looking as my other 3 suspects. Kath I'd like to hear more from you.

Meneltarmacil · 12-03-2007, 06:39 PM

Don't forget how A Little Green defended you last time. As for whether or not you allowed it, I doubt a senior wolf would want himself to get caught giving adivce to a newbie wolf and be lynched for it.

Then there's the matter of what could be an attempt to frame Volo. Again, you seem to be a likely candidate for that.

Kath · 12-03-2007, 08:21 PM

Hey all, it's gone 2 am here but I thought I'd pop in with a quick post. I haven't read much of the thread from toDay but what worries me is that some people, I'm mostly looking at Kuru, have popped up and gone 'right, let's lynch morm'. I'm actually a lot more comfortable with morm toDay. I never saw the connection between him and Greenie that many people mentioned and unless Brinniel turns out to be a wolf I doubt morm is one. Had Greenie been innocent I would have been more conviced of morm's possible wolvishness as I wouldn't have put it past him to set up an innocent like that, but as it is I'm becoming more enamoured of this set up idea.

I just really don't like the single-minded pursuit thing. I've done it before I know, and it always seems to end in disaster. Like all that arguing between Rikae and Nerwen on Day 1, it had most of the village convinced that at least one was a wolf and they both turned out to be innocents. The fact that Lommy and morm had the same thing going yesterDay has me thinking they're both innocent, as the back and forth posts felt much as Rikae and Nerwen's did.

Also, no double lynches if we can help it! We are far more likely to lynch two innocents than even one innocent and a wolf. Let's not take our numbers down ourselves.

So, apart from taking morm off the list I'm going to stick with my suspects from yesterDay for now, which leaves me with:

The Might
Brinn

I actually haven't had a proper look at Brinn which I wanted to do (not an analysis, she's done too many posts for that!) but I caught The Might's first post toDay and it seemed a bit overdone.

I might also add Menel to that list of suspects. I know it was Kuru I was complaining about earlier but he feels like a misguided innocent to me. Menel could be too, some of his comments smack of not concentrating on the game a lot, such as his belief that Rikae is still in it, but his arguments are still ... I can't explain it, he's just not fitting right to me.

Also, despite what someone said, I do want to take a look back at what Legate said over the past couple of Days. If the wolves have already tried one set up (this is assuming morm is innocent) there is nothing to say they haven't tried a second.

Back later.

mormegil · 12-03-2007, 08:30 PM

I also noticed something else that is almost comical, Legate felt I was guilty too. I think the wolves are busy working on setting me up which is odd to me...at least they are accomplishing their goal of us not talking about them. What I wonder is if they want me dead so bad why don't they just kill me? I would posit that at least one of the 'let's kill morm' crowd is a wolf. They probably got together and said that one of us will take up the reigns and work it out while the other two may follow. I would think Kuru has this and he intentionally took the risk of posting so expressly and so quickly because he is REALLY good and can pull that off. Again, that lends itself to my belief that he is guilty. Menel I'm not sure of as Kath points out he is not paying too much attention...is that wolfish? It could easily be...why would he need to read who died? But generally, not always, wolves are a bit more obervant to details...but I think it's the former in this case.

Meneltarmacil · 12-03-2007, 08:40 PM

I'm sorry about Rikae. That was an honest mistake.

And to be completely honest, I don't usually read every single post on the thread, especially if I've been away for a few hours and a whole page has been created in my absence. I do go back and read posts if I feel the need, though.

Meneltarmacil · 12-03-2007, 08:46 PM

Actually, I'm not quite as sure of mormegil now as I was before. I'll take some time in the morning to check out his posts in detail, then put up an analysis. For now, though, I'll stick around to answer questions but I doubt I'll do much more here until after I've slept on it.

mormegil · 12-03-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Actually, I'm not quite as sure of mormegil now as I was before. I'll take some time in the morning to check out his posts in detail, then put up an analysis. For now, though, I'll stick around to answer questions but I doubt I'll do much more here until after I've slept on it.

I don't like it! As soon as I bring up some, what I feel valid, points against Menel he changes his mind but for no real reason.

Aganzir · 12-04-2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Might

Sorry for any offense Aganzir, though I am not sure what you mean.

You did not offend me in any way, that was a bad joke concerning the beginning of your first post. It was about 12 am here and I was tired and more tactless than I should have been. I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by Volo

The other Lily-voters look good too.

I disagree. Jumping in a bandwagon that ends up killing a wolf doesn't mean anything. And what about those who voted so late it didn't matter anymore if they voted Greenie or someone else?

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

While something troubles her about Green, she makes no indication of seriously suspecting her until post #226.

Something I couldn't put my finger on was troubling me about a certain post of Greenie's, not Greenie herself. About her I had a more or less bad feeling since Day 1.

I think I'm going to take a look at Legate now - at least to see how he mentioned and was mentioned by people. A complete analysis of his posts would take more time than I have at the moment.

12-03-2007, 08:30 PM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	I also noticed something else that is almost comical, Legate felt I was guilty too. I think the wolves are busy working on setting me up which is odd to me...at least they are accomplishing their goal of us not talking about them. What I wonder is if they want me dead so bad why don't they just kill me? I would posit that at least one of the 'let's kill morm' crowd is a wolf. They probably got together and said that one of us will take up the reigns and work it out while the other two may follow. I would think Kuru has this and he intentionally took the risk of posting so expressly and so quickly because he is REALLY good and can pull that off. Again, that lends itself to my belief that he is guilty. Menel I'm not sure of as Kath points out he is not paying too much attention...is that wolfish? It could easily be...why would he need to read who died? But generally, not always, wolves are a bit more obervant to details...but I think it's the former in this case. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-03-2007, 08:40 PM	#5
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	I'm sorry about Rikae. That was an honest mistake. And to be completely honest, I don't usually read every single post on the thread, especially if I've been away for a few hours and a whole page has been created in my absence. I do go back and read posts if I feel the need, though. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-03-2007, 08:46 PM	#6
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Actually, I'm not quite as sure of mormegil now as I was before. I'll take some time in the morning to check out his posts in detail, then put up an analysis. For now, though, I'll stick around to answer questions but I doubt I'll do much more here until after I've slept on it. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-03-2007, 06:39 PM	#2
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Don't forget how A Little Green defended you last time. As for whether or not you allowed it, I doubt a senior wolf would want himself to get caught giving adivce to a newbie wolf and be lynched for it. Then there's the matter of what could be an attempt to frame Volo. Again, you seem to be a likely candidate for that. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-03-2007, 08:21 PM	#3
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Hey all, it's gone 2 am here but I thought I'd pop in with a quick post. I haven't read much of the thread from toDay but what worries me is that some people, I'm mostly looking at Kuru, have popped up and gone 'right, let's lynch morm'. I'm actually a lot more comfortable with morm toDay. I never saw the connection between him and Greenie that many people mentioned and unless Brinniel turns out to be a wolf I doubt morm is one. Had Greenie been innocent I would have been more conviced of morm's possible wolvishness as I wouldn't have put it past him to set up an innocent like that, but as it is I'm becoming more enamoured of this set up idea. I just really don't like the single-minded pursuit thing. I've done it before I know, and it always seems to end in disaster. Like all that arguing between Rikae and Nerwen on Day 1, it had most of the village convinced that at least one was a wolf and they both turned out to be innocents. The fact that Lommy and morm had the same thing going yesterDay has me thinking they're both innocent, as the back and forth posts felt much as Rikae and Nerwen's did. Also, no double lynches if we can help it! We are far more likely to lynch two innocents than even one innocent and a wolf. Let's not take our numbers down ourselves. So, apart from taking morm off the list I'm going to stick with my suspects from yesterDay for now, which leaves me with: The Might Brinn I actually haven't had a proper look at Brinn which I wanted to do (not an analysis, she's done too many posts for that!) but I caught The Might's first post toDay and it seemed a bit overdone. I might also add Menel to that list of suspects. I know it was Kuru I was complaining about earlier but he feels like a misguided innocent to me. Menel could be too, some of his comments smack of not concentrating on the game a lot, such as his belief that Rikae is still in it, but his arguments are still ... I can't explain it, he's just not fitting right to me. Also, despite what someone said, I do want to take a look back at what Legate said over the past couple of Days. If the wolves have already tried one set up (this is assuming morm is innocent) there is nothing to say they haven't tried a second. Back later.