WW LXXXIX: The Terror of Tol Fuin

[Galadriel55]

I've spent an hour typing something imilar, except that it was much better and now I forgot half the points I wanted to make. All thanks to my ************** computer.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I find her coming to interesting conclusions. Certainly Bom could easily have been steering conversation to Sally, but that's not a bandwagon, nor did I accuse him of bandwagoning.

Can't really be a legitimate bandwgon on one of the first posts, can there? But it can become one if others join onto it. One post can't be called a bandwagon, but it can be starting one.

As you said yourself,

..simply killing her because she's going to die seems pretty wolfish.

And a wolf kills by Day by means of getting others to vote for their victim, right?

She also says I was trying to start one on Sally while criticizing Bom.

Firstly, continue would be a better word here than start. Secondly, as has been said and mulled over many times before, suspecting Bom for going against Sally while going against her yourself is odd.

But what is more interesting is that she thinks we are cohorts debating openly during the Day.

Wolf-on-wolf, as I was reminded when in a latter post I said that if you are wolves probably not together.

But that doesn't seem so strange of Galadriel, but her defense of Sally is odd.

I have nothing against that sentence except that I can't understand it (my brain is screaming "bedtime!"). Can you please rephrase it?

I might be wrong (I'm only reading Galadriel's and Galadriel mentioned posts) but at this point some had stated they didn't want me dead on Day1. That means not many votes, if any, coming my way. She suspected me pretty heavily it looked like in her sixth post. Then after Greenie commented she started to change her tune. Now she's almost completely flipped on her stance toward me, while maintaining her suspicions of Bom.

While maintaining less serious suspicions on both of you. There weren't that many people to be suspicious about at that time (why would I put a person who hasn't posted yet on my suspicion list?), and out of those people you two were the most suspicious. Now you aren't. But that doesn't mean I flipped on either of you.

I have a question for you, Kit. Why did you find these posts suspicious only after many other people commented on them in the same way?

It looks like her suspicions of Bom were dropped because he appears to be one of the only ones she doesn't offer up as innocentish or guilty.

Not completely dropped, but rather lowered, since there are now more players who posted, and more people to suspect, etcetc you've heard it all above.

before she said she didn't find Eomer or Nilp. She makes somewhat of a case against Lommy in this post and had a little bit of one for Greenie previously. But what about the other two?

I haven't got a read on Eomer. I considered voting him (very briefly, not too seriously, and only out of spite) because he voted me...

And now she's flip-flopped on Lommy.

It's a new Day, I have more information. Why can't I use it?

What I find stranger than her belief in Sally's innocence is her flip-flopping. She makes one case and then once it is commented on by another she goes back on her suspicions.

Look at yourself! First you had Bom at the top, but then you voted Sally, after some people chewed everything over and thought your behaviour hypocritical.


I'm sorry if that sounded irritable. Blame it on the good for nothing computer I'm typing on.

I'm so tired now all my notes and thoughts will have to wait until tomorrow (RL). *yawns*

[satansaloser2005]

I'm sorry to do this, but my lovely guest has just left and I'm exhausted, so I'm turning in(to what, you may ask? ) for the night. I'll be back with thoughts in the morning.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kit

Galadriel: A lot was said of her "backing" Sally, but that doesn't me. Rather she backs away from something when someone else contradicts or questions it. First she accuses Bom and I of tag teaming and trying to get a Sallywagon going. Then Greenie says something and all of a sudden she's "not accusing, just watching" us. She flip-flops and tries to be sly in her observations.

Lommy: She was all about believing Lottie was innocent, essentially with no reasoning. Then Shasta casts a shadow and suddenly there's Lommy ready to get Lottie out of the picture. This could well be a wolf move. My packmate is in trouble, I should vote for them now when it's still anyone's Day. If she dies I look innocent. What's more unsettling is her comment about how her cross post with Legate "will affect the outcome". That's is possibly the most sinister thing I've read so far.

Sally: Oh that's right. Most of my reasons have been outlined, but I find it unsettling that Sally has latched onto Galadriel's defense of her. It's possible (I haven't done a count) but she may well have brought up Galadriel's defense more than Galadriel actually said she thought she was innocent. That seems a bit like she's trying too hard to get us to look at Galadriel. Of course if Galadriel is a wolf I have to surrender my beliefs that Sally is a fanged menace. This goes the other way too. If Sally is evil than I'm hard pressed to believe Galadriel is.

Actually, some of Sally's reaction to G55 could be a wolf trying to distance herself from a cub who's been too quick to defend her. It would fit that pattern quite well in fact. However, as you say, she did press it further than would be needed– so if they're in it together, it would mean Sallywolf was trying to bus her newbie comrade for little reason.

More importantly, though, we also have a known wolf to look at, and G55 happens to be the only person that wolf went after.

So, the key question, then is: how likely is it that Wolflote would make a wolf-on-wolf attack on Wolf55 at that point and in that way?

To quote Shasta at #138:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Lottie has set herself up today so that really the only person she can vote is Gala (she hasn't evidenced suspicion on anyone else); which, when combined with all that about "oh I'll feel so bad if she's lynched" and giving her a newbie-pass, really makes me raise both eyebrows. Lottie looks extremely contradictory.

Again, it would be more than just a token wolf-on-wolf suspicion– and again, oddly gratuitous.

It's perhaps more likely Wolflote would go strongly after a newbie comrade than Sallywolf, simply because Lottie tends to be very pessimistic about her own chances of survival– she might have reasoned that ione or other of them would probably die early anyway, and thus that a real wolf-on-wolf attack was the best bet. All the same, it's most unusual for a wolf to give herself no other option but voting a comrade.

Not much to say about Lommy, except to concur that her Legate-180 on Wolflote is peculiar (even coming from the Queen of Flip-floppers).

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It's perhaps more likely Wolflote would go strongly after a newbie comrade than Sallywolf, simply because Lottie tends to be very pessimistic about her own chances of survival– she might have reasoned that ione or other of them would probably die early anyway, and thus that a real wolf-on-wolf attack was the best bet.

This. She said it even better than I could!


Also, bad luck wolves - but at least I was happy when you guys got the Ranger.

[Inziladun]

The two games I've modded have had three notable similarities.

1. The village won both times.
2. Each game had a Fenris.
3. Shasta got killed on Night 2.

[Lhunardawen]

Wow. That was...fast.

Good job, Eomer! I figured you couldn't be merely obsessed voting for G55 three Days in a row, but it didn't occur to me you could be the Seer.

I'm sorry they caught you, Mummie Mith. They're good. (Understatement right there.)

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It's perhaps more likely Wolflote would go strongly after a newbie comrade than Sallywolf, simply because Lottie tends to be very pessimistic about her own chances of survival– she might have reasoned that ione or other of them would probably die early anyway, and thus that a real wolf-on-wolf attack was the best bet.

Ooh, ooh! Sally we did this once, remember?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

2. Each game had a Fenris.
3. Shasta got killed on Night 2.

Couldn't be related, nah.

Congrats to the village! It's perhaps good I died when I did, as I thought Nogrod was extremely suspicious going into Day 2 and had planned a case against him (sorry, Nog!).