Arwen instead of Glorfindel - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Evenstar · 04-02-2003, 12:39 PM

It is strange that Peter Jackson should leave Glorfindel the Elf out of the movie entirely. Remember in the book, Glorfindel was the one who carried Frodo to Rivendell. In the movie it is Arwen who carries Frodo from the Nazgûl.

Mornie Alantie · 04-02-2003, 01:11 PM

PJ reason (good or bad you decide) for this was that he wanted a bigger female role, and to set up the lovey dovey with Arwen and Aragorn. I personally Would much rather it have stayed, but what are u gonna do.

Legolas · 04-02-2003, 01:17 PM

Glorfindel did not carry Frodo to Rivendell. He put Frodo on Asfaloth who took Frodo to Rivendell. Glorfindel stayed behind with Aragorn, Merry, Pippin, and Sam who eventually met up with Gandalf.This topic has been discussed extensively in the Movies forum I'm sure.

obloquy · 04-02-2003, 01:31 PM

If you had only finished the book, Ms. The Evenstar, you would know that Glorfindel was really Arwen disguised as a man-Elf, as a kind of sneaky foreshadowing of the Eowyn/Dernhelm scenario.

Estelyn Telcontar · 04-02-2003, 01:36 PM

Moving this movie topic to the Movies Forum - where this topic has been discussed ad nauseum, unfortunately...

HCIsland · 04-02-2003, 01:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PJ reason (good or bad you decide) for this was that he wanted a bigger female role, and to set up the lovey dovey with Arwen and Aragorn. I personally Would much rather it have stayed, but what are u gonna do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This is by no stretch the only reason. LoTR has dozens of characters and there is absolutely no way to make the movie comprehensible to the non-book reader and keep them all in there. The movies would just become a bewildering string of names and places. For each character that was not integral to the plot (a group to which Glorfindel certainly belongs) the film makers have to justify their inclusion. Sorry, but just because they were in the book is not good enough. Some of these guys had to go.Even the animated LoTR recognized this and replaced Glorfindel with Legolas. PJ wanted to expand Arwen's role (with good reason) so putting her in place of Glorfindel is a natural decision. Having her taking Frodo to the ford is a different question all together.H.C.[ April 02, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

Meela · 04-02-2003, 02:49 PM

I agree, HCIsland. There would be too many minor characters, which would lead to confusion. I mean, my mother confused Boromir with Legolas. Imagine what she would be like with more than one blonde elf to cope with! But on the other hand the movie would have done better to create a more faithful adaptation and used Glorfindel (who happened to also be one of my favourite characters. Of course, on yet another hand, Arwen was introduced, setting up the Aragorn/Arwen romance situation, which was a good part of the film.[ April 02, 2003: Message edited by: Meela ]

Cibbwin · 04-02-2003, 03:20 PM

I agree, too many minor characters and such would totally confuse those who have never read the books. I mean, I had not read them before FoTR, and I got totally confused myself! I thought the Witching had broken Narsil at one point! I also like that they evolved Arwen's character, adds more to her being just Aragorn's consort. And this goes past being "politically correct" or whatever, it's common sense to me. A women can be JUST as good a warrior as a guy.

Arafangwen · 04-05-2003, 02:05 AM

I totaly agree Cibbwin! Girls are great fighters!(some of us are better than guys!) It's a shame that the women had to disguise themselves as men to be ALLOWED to fight,ya know. But I do think that they should have at least tried a little bit to put Arwen into her Glorfindel disguise thought.

04-02-2003, 12:39 PM	#1
The Evenstar Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 103	Arwen instead of Glorfindel It is strange that Peter Jackson should leave Glorfindel the Elf out of the movie entirely. Remember in the book, Glorfindel was the one who carried Frodo to Rivendell. In the movie it is Arwen who carries Frodo from the Nazgûl. __________________ "The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the sea." - Galadriel

04-02-2003, 01:11 PM	#2
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	PJ reason (good or bad you decide) for this was that he wanted a bigger female role, and to set up the lovey dovey with Arwen and Aragorn. I personally Would much rather it have stayed, but what are u gonna do. __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

04-02-2003, 01:17 PM	#3
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Glorfindel did not carry Frodo to Rivendell. He put Frodo on Asfaloth who took Frodo to Rivendell. Glorfindel stayed behind with Aragorn, Merry, Pippin, and Sam who eventually met up with Gandalf.<P>This topic has been discussed extensively in the Movies forum I'm sure. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

04-02-2003, 01:36 PM	#5
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Moving this movie topic to the Movies Forum - where this topic has been discussed <I>ad nauseum</I>, unfortunately... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

04-02-2003, 01:47 PM	#6
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PJ reason (good or bad you decide) for this was that he wanted a bigger female role, and to set up the lovey dovey with Arwen and Aragorn. I personally Would much rather it have stayed, but what are u gonna do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is by no stretch the only reason. LoTR has dozens of characters and there is absolutely no way to make the movie comprehensible to the non-book reader and keep them all in there. The movies would just become a bewildering string of names and places. <P>For each character that was not integral to the plot (a group to which Glorfindel certainly belongs) the film makers have to justify their inclusion. Sorry, but just because they were in the book is not good enough. Some of these guys had to go.<P>Even the animated LoTR recognized this and replaced Glorfindel with Legolas. PJ wanted to expand Arwen's role (with good reason) so putting her in place of Glorfindel is a natural decision. Having her taking Frodo to the ford is a different question all together.<P>H.C.<p>[ April 02, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ] __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

04-02-2003, 01:31 PM	#4
obloquy Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: WA Posts: 941	If you had only finished the book, Ms. The Evenstar, you would know that Glorfindel was really Arwen disguised as a man-Elf, as a kind of sneaky foreshadowing of the Eowyn/Dernhelm scenario.

04-02-2003, 02:49 PM	#7
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	I agree, HCIsland. There would be too many minor characters, which would lead to confusion. I mean, my mother confused Boromir with Legolas. Imagine what she would be like with more than one blonde elf to cope with!<BR>But on the other hand the movie would have done better to create a more faithful adaptation and used Glorfindel (who happened to also be one of my favourite characters.<BR>Of course, on yet another hand, Arwen was introduced, setting up the Aragorn/Arwen romance situation, which was a good part of the film.<p>[ April 02, 2003: Message edited by: Meela ] __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

04-02-2003, 03:20 PM	#8
Cibbwin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 145	I agree, too many minor characters and such would totally confuse those who have never read the books. I mean, I had not read them before FoTR, and I got totally confused myself! I thought the Witching had broken Narsil at one point! I also like that they evolved Arwen's character, adds more to her being just Aragorn's consort. And this goes past being "politically correct" or whatever, it's common sense to me. A women can be JUST as good a warrior as a guy. __________________ The Warrior Hobbit Nîn o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen, dan in Ulaer!

04-05-2003, 02:05 AM	#9
Arafangwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WtR: 413 miles/Floating happily across the floor in the arms of The Phantom..... Posts: 361	I totaly agree Cibbwin! Girls are great fighters!(some of us are better than guys!) It's a shame that the women had to disguise themselves as men to be ALLOWED to fight,ya know. But I do think that they should have at least tried a little bit to put Arwen into her Glorfindel disguise thought. __________________ i indo ye vanya mi amaurëa cálë~LúcëwenElerínaEruiel Soooo..... I'm still doing the wave, anyone else? Anyone? Yeah!! Hmmm... What is that?